<p>I don't care what people say, Michigan will come back to glory, if not this season, then the next. They're going to get an amazing recruiting class and once they get rid of the damn coach be back on top. </p>
<p>GO BLUE (unless I get rejected, then go longhorns (although texas is slowly becoming my number 1 for reasons other than football), and if that doesn't work, then go huskies, and if that doesn't work, then its time to hit the grave :) (kidding, although I probably shouldn't joke about something serious like that)!!!</p>
<p>You better be right =P. I plan on attending UofM next fall and don't want to watch a bunch of bad games like yesterdays. Atleast the app state game was close. =</p>
<p>Coming from a multi-generational U of M family so definitely pro U of M...I just think it doesn't attract the same kids that it used to attract - athletes included. Good or bad, who knows, time will tell, but it's not the same school it used to be.</p>
<p>ummm I don't have too many numbers at my disposal, but wouldn't the fact that UM has had the largest applicant pool in the school's history the past few years suggest the students are also smarter than ever? What about the rise in sat scores? It seems like many top students realize there are more options than just ivy league, and the top public schools benefit as a result.</p>
<p>Also, I'm assuming that as a "mom of three boys," you aren't really up on Michigan's athletic department. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Although if you are, you would know Michigan has top 15/10 recruiting classes every year, and their recruiting is stronger than ever. Take Donovon Warren for example. 5-star cornerback, top 5 in the country last year, and he lives in Los Angeles. He chose the Maize and Blue. How about Ryan Malllett? Number 2 high school qb nationally last year from TEXAS!!! He's starting next week for the injured Henne. Sam McGuffie? Best rb in high school for the '08 class, also from Texas of all places. Committed to Michigan last month. And it's not like Michigan is slacking in the midwest either. Brandom Graham (sophomore), Steven Threet (freshman), Boubacar Cissoko (hs senior) are all top midwest players that chose Michigan.</p>
<p>Anyone that knows anything about Michigan's football program knows that the problem has NOTHING to do with talent. Depth, partially, but still very little. The problem is that Michigan's coaching staff is stubborn. Everyone knows their schemes on offense and defense, and the game has passed Lloyd by (although I respect him as a man/mentor). Oh, and the strength and conditioning program is a joke as well. Take Ryan Mundy, a former Michigan player who transfered to WVU. He went on record saying that WVU's program is far more rigorous than anything they do at Michigan. Michigan needs new blood, and hopefully they don't wait around. Les Miles is the obvious choice. He's a "Michigan Man" and a proven winner. Jeff Tedford from Cal, and Brian Kelly from Cincy will also get looks. Regardless, as long as Bill Martin makes a move after this year, (which he would have done anyway regardless of this season's results) UM will be fine.</p>
<p>Many of these "best hs this and that" turn out to be very overrated. How many NFL draft choices have come out of UM the last few years? Not nearly as many as some other schools with far worse recruiting rankings.</p>
<p>Erm..Leon Hall, Alan Branch, David Harris, LaMarr Woodley all went in the top 50 last April..not to mention Braylon Edwards, Marlin Jackson, and Chris Perry were all first rounders just a few years ago. Oh, and that guy...uh..oh yeah, Tom Brady is also from Michigan. And don't forget that Mike Hart, Jake Long, and Chad Henne will all likely go in the top 20 this year.</p>
<p>That still doesn't change what you said about their poor draft history in recent years. Where Hart and Henne go is a matter of opinion, but who I mentioned are good players.</p>
<p>Michigan didn't have a single player drafted on the first day in 2006. For a school that consistently gets 4* and 5* recruits, that's pathetic. Nearly every prospect that comes out of Michigan comes with the label "underachiever". Gabe Watson, Alan Branch, and nearly all of the Michigan WRs over the years (David Terrell, Braylon Edwards, Marquise Walker). </p>
<p>Related to the thread title, I am loving this. Appalachian State, HAHAHAHAHA!</p>
<p>I'm not really sure where you're coming from?? I did a quick search of common data set information and came up with the following:</p>
<p>1998
Mid 50
SAT V 560-670
SAT M 600-710
ACT 25-30</p>
<p>2006
Mid 50
SAT V 580-680
SAT M 630-720
ACT 26-31</p>
<p>I am sure if I dig back further, the numbers will go do down more dramatically. I can't tell you how many U of M alums I have spoken to who have said, "I'm glad I don't have to apply today, I could never get in."</p>
<p>As far as sports, everyone longs for the Bo era, but he never won a national championship. In terms of recruiting world class athletes, how abut Michael Phelps, Alan Webb, etc.</p>
<p>Could you be more specific?? I would agree that it's not the same school it used to be - academically it's better.</p>
<p>SBDad, how does your son like his classes so far?</p>
<p>I have to tell you that, often, when you posted about your son on CC, I had to double-check you were not talking about MY son. They have very similar backgrounds except for one thing - I think you wrote that your son plays jazz. Mine does classical piano only. Anyway, we'll have to see what the outcome is in a few months. My son is applying to Michigan and Chicago too. But I am very interested in finding out how your son likes the overall experience so far. That in-state tuition is looking better and better.....</p>
<p>He's only in the second week of classes, but we have heard things from him like "life is good" and, with regard to this theoretical math class, "I love it". </p>
<p>A funny story about Chicago and UM.</p>
<p>He was in the first day of his Philosophy class, and the prof made a statement like, "there is a university where one of the guiding principles is: that sounds good in practice, but how does it work in theory."</p>
<p>DS raised his hand to show the prof his Chicago t-shirt that said, you guessed it, "that sounds good in practice, but how does it work in theory."</p>
<p>All in all, I get the impression that there is all the academic challenge you would care to have, lots of interaction with prof's and plenty of research opportunity. Not sure what more you would want academically at the undergraduate level.</p>
<p>A2Wolves....Braylon Edwards was drafted 3rd. Underachiever? More like most prolific wide receiver in big ten history, and there are numbers to back it up. What's up with your username/hatred for Michigan?</p>
<p>He was an underachiever as it took 4 years to finally develop his talent. He dropped way too many passes until his senior year where it was slightly corrected. Even today, he is a bust in the NFL, and has not developed into a #1 receiver or shown that he was worth the 3rd pick in the draft. Look through any scouting report on Edwards.</p>
<p>No hate for Michigan, just the facts. Don't believe me?</p>
<p>Took 4 years? He had 1000 receiving yards his sophomore, junior, and senior years. I'm also almost positive he holds the big ten touchdown record for a receiver, and I'm pretty they all didn't come senior year. Yeah, he had the occassional drop (iowa 2002 and oregon 2003) come to mind, but plays like that are totally forgotten when you think about his performances against osu in 2003, msu in 2004, texas in the rose bowl, and countless others. One of my fondest childhood memories was watching him do flips in the backfield with no running start while Michigan was killing the clock in the 2003 osu game (not that that makes him a better wr). also, he's hardly an nfl bust...he plays for the awful browns and has put up pretty solid numbers (700ish) receiving yards a year despite being injured as a rookie and having no supporting run game.</p>
<p>Yes, he was never thought of as a true first round pick and a top talent until his Senior season. He was advised by the NFL Draft committee to stay another year in school because in 2003, he wouldn't have been a 1st round draft pick. Edwards did not have maturity and was never a captain for Michigan despite his tremendous talent. Don't confuse great college player with great pro player, I'm talking about Edwards as an NFL prospect.</p>
<p>We'll see how Edwards fares this season, but he has not produced as a #3 pick should produce so far.</p>
<p>By the way, the App State game is on ESPN Classic right now. Appalachian State. HAHAHAHAHAHA.</p>
<p>Did you even follow the team during these years? You literally couldn't go a week without finding articles about how much Braylon matured from his freshman and sophomore year. That's why LC gave him the #1 jersey, because "he earned it". He still is very close to the program- last year he was on Jim Rome decked out in Michigan gear and he still communicates with players (Adrian Arrington, Morgan Trent, and Hart mostly) and has been trying to help them get better this year. And don't confuse great NFL Potential with great Pro Player, because he's on a a terrible offense and is very young. His numbers are promising and down right impressive considering his surroundings.</p>
<p>You know why he hasn't played to his potential? Do the names, Charlie Frye, Derrick Anderson, Trent Dilfer, Ken Dorsey, and Tim Couch ring a bell? Or the fact that he was injured his rookie season. He is emerging now and showing his true potential.</p>