<p>if i want to be a math major i have to take chem?</p>
<p>^ umm i don't think so? isn't chem for people who want to major in the medical field?</p>
<p>Have fun in Chem 1a. they fail around half the class, as it's the "cutting the fat" class for math, phyiscs, engineering, and bio-sci students.</p>
<p>They don't fail half the class.</p>
<p>They fail you if you suck at chemistry. I've had friends tell me its jokingly easy.</p>
<p>Well, after visiting there today, I've decided on Mesa.
The layout is superior to Middle Earth. </p>
<p>All else considered, they're about the same. Mesa's a bit of a walk, but hey, that's good socializing time. Besides, it's not really that much of a walk anyways. What, like 2 minutes to the main campus?</p>
<p>what is the "layout" you're referring to? and is irvine a biking campus?</p>
<p>I got a tour a few weeks ago. Mesa was much more brighter (huge windows) and slightly bigger, but it was pretty far from the classes--like maybe five to ten minutes.</p>
<p>Mesa all the way. Yea the food sucks but hit up Brandywine (over in Middle Earth) for lunch and try to stomach Commons for dinner. I just like the layout of Mesa more plus it seems to be more social. It's a little further away from campus but we have bigger rooms and it doesn't seem to be as crowded. Go visit both and see how you feel.</p>
<p>brandywine is good for the first half of the year.</p>
<p>pippin ftw the second.</p>
<p>mesa for dinner like nschuchert said. Mesa = better atmosphere. ME = more convenient.</p>
<p>in the end, mesa > ME.</p>
<p>Mikage, as a current math (and soon physics major by double major), you do not need to take Chemistry, you can opt it out with Physics instead. </p>
<p>Here's the required courses to graduate as a math major:
<a href="http://www.editor.uci.edu/07-08/ps/ps.5.htm%5B/url%5D">http://www.editor.uci.edu/07-08/ps/ps.5.htm</a></p>
<p>Just a bit of warning, if you're not prepared in basic Java programming, that ICS 21 or related programming course WILL kick you in the balls. So many non-ICS majors who never did programming will be immediately held up during their first lab, while ICS majors who never did programming will have their dreams (mostly game design >_>) ruined and dashed away as it happened to my roommate. </p>
<p>Even though I had 3 years of programming experience, I still thought the mid-term and final for ICS 21 was difficult (but still got an A ^_^)</p>
<p>UC Irvine, despite being concentric, is not a biking campus for administrative and geographical reasons:</p>
<ol>
<li><p>You are not permitted to bike on the Ring Road, the main road that connects all the schools and major hangouts. However, there's almost no one to enforce this rule so you can bike on this road without getting "caught". Just make sure to get off the bike if you're in a high traffic area. </p></li>
<li><p>The campus is quite hilly, the core campus itself seems like a huge linear slope starting from the physical sciences area down to Mesa Court/Administration area. In between this big slope is a bowl that we call Aldrich Park. </p></li>
</ol>
<p>So with that said, it's going to be a ***** to bike from Mesa Court to Physical Sciences buildings if you go through Aldrich Park, albeit fun on the return trip down. There's a certain path I use instead that doesn't go through Aldrich Park nor use the Ring Road. I'll draw it up if anyone's interested.</p>
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<p>God I read this thread and I still can't decide. I do want good meals and to be close to class, but I don't want a dinky little thing either. UGh I'm going to see if I can visit next weekend. This seems impossible without visiting first-hand.</p>
<p>Don't sweat it. Ultimately the differences are minute, and both are basically the same deal. Here's what I posted on facebook:</p>
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Hey, I've taken the tour of both housing options twice, and I have to say that I prefer Mesa Court. </p>
<p>First off, much of Middle Earth is co-ed, which is to say that the females live in rooms across from the males. They have seperate bathrooms of course, but still, the living conditions are close. Mesa's layout is that different wings of the same building have different genders. Makes more sense to me. </p>
<p>Also, I liked Mesa's layout way better. It's more centralized than Middle Earth is, and that makes for a better atmosphere in my opinion. Wasn't a fan of ME's slightly cramped and darker layout. Not enough large windows, you'll get a better view in Mesa. </p>
<p>Mesa's activities I hear, are also more geared toward hall pride, in contrast to Middle Earth, which is geared more toward "Middle Earth" pride. It makes more sense to me that I'm going to be more connected to my hall, seeing as how I'm going to live in close quarters with these folks. </p>
<p>Some advantages that ME has over Mesa is that they have cable internet in each of the rooms, and that it's closer to the center of campus. However, internet is still accesible if you live in Mesa, just not in your room, and since you're a freshman, you're going to be taking your GE requirements, you'll have classes all over campus. </p>
<p>Also, ME's dining hall has better food, but that's irrelevant considering you can still eat there if you live in Mesa. </p>
<p>All in all, either is a fine choice. Visit for yourself and see, but Mesa appeared to me as an option more geared to my tastes.
I know there's something I'm forgetting, but I can't think of it now. I'll tell you later if I remember. ;)
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<p>Thanks! I still really want to visit next weekend, but that makes it easier.</p>
<p>Oh, one thing though, I was interested in a certain hall because it involved journalism. Do 'theme' halls really help you out, or matter?</p>
<p>Every hall whether it's in ME or Mesa has a theme, and you can choose one when you sign up. I'm not sure about how much of a difference it makes though, I would guess it would depend on the crowd that signs up for it and the RA. </p>
<p>Oh! I just remembered what I was going to write. ME uses keycards for access, and Mesa uses actual keys. It's $100 to replace keys in Mesa, but only $10 to replace keycards in ME. Not that you really plan on losing these things, I didn't view it as too big of a factor.</p>
<p>quick question... so you can choose which housing you wanna be in? mesa or ME. and if you do it early it's almost guarenteed?</p>
<p>and other question...
where would you get internet access in mesa if their not in the rooms?</p>
<p>Oh yeah, also, Mesa has twice as many dryers and washers per student as ME does. In Mesa, there's 3 of each per building, and in ME, there's three of each for two buildings.
Don't know if that's something you'd care about, but it is something.</p>
<p>And... one more thing I remember. ME has its own personal gym specifically for ME students. However, I fail to see the benefit of this when the ARC facilities are superior to these. Perhaps to avoid the crowds, but really, I've seen those things, and I'd much rather use the ARC for workout.</p>
<p>From what I've been hearing, it's a pretty safe bet that you're going to get the community that you want if you sign up before the deadline.
There's an area where there's wireless in Mesa, I'm not so knowledgeable on the details though.</p>
<p>Both Mesa and Middle have cable TV and internet access in EVERY room! Sign up for housing ASAP as I know a lot of people who put down Mesa and ended up getting Middle Earth. I'd imagine you'd get better wireless acces in Middle Earth as it's closer to campus. However, I'm in my room in Mesa right now and I'm on the UCI wirless network. Or better yet do what I did, bring your own router so you can go wirless throughout your dorm building and play Xbox online--just make sure to put a password on the connection so you dont have all your hallmates leeching off your connection.</p>
<p>Aha, they gave me wrong information then!
They said that rooms in Mesa aren't all connected yet, and ME has access to ethernet. </p>
<p>That's good to know.</p>