<p>Hi all. I'm taking the PAE again this week. The first time I took it, I passed it for Annapolis but not for West Point or AFA. I know the minimums of both Annapolis and Air Force, but I was curious to what the minimums for West Point were, specifically the basketball throw and the standing long jump. I heard it might be in some of the material West Point sent me, but I can't seem to find it right now.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
<p>I think you need to cross the midpoint in the charts (the charts are in the .pdf file that you can download from the admissions site in the "PAE" section) for each event.</p>
<p>I was actually curious about that myself to be honest. I could have sworn I had failed the PAE on my first attempt. I scored just barely below the line on every event except long jump and shuttlerun. I thought for sure I failed, but the admissions department told me I passed it. I requested to take it again, only because it counts 10% of the admissions process, but I can't imagine how I passed.</p>
<p>The instructions say if you score below one event, but above in another, you MAY still pass. However I scored below in two three events and above in two. My shuttle run was only one bracket above at that. The only reasonable conclusion is that my long jump pushed me over the edge big time. I stand at 6'4, and play varsity basketball. I jumped well over 8 feet, I think about 8'3. The point is that you may not need to score above EVERYTHING to pass. If you struggled in one event, ask your FFR or Regional commander what is needed in one of your strong events to negate your weakness.</p>
<p>In my case I would say pull-ups (I did 7). Good Luck.</p>
<p>We were told by our Liaison Officer that the test is basically pass-fail. If you pass the PAE you are then qualified for this part of the application process. I'm not sure if passing with "better" scores in more events will give you more points, though.</p>
<p>So here is how I think I'll do on the PAE. If people could tell me if I'll pass or fail, that'd be great.</p>
<p>Pull ups: 8
Standing long jump: 7'4
Basketball throw: 60 feet
Push ups: 65
300-yard shuttle run: 59.5</p>
<p>The line on the chart to get above is as follows:</p>
<p>pullups: 8
standing long jump: 7'9"
basketball throw: 66'
shuttle run: 59.6
pushups:54</p>
<p>I take my PAE for the first time on Friday so I understand the boat you are in...</p>
<p>I knew the averages, but I know for the Air Force Academy, the bare minimums and the averages are different. I want to score as high as I can, but I really need to score above the minimums. I heard from some people that if you really stink it up in one area, you can "make it up" by excelling in another. However, that really hasn't been confirmed by too many people. If people who have taken the PAE and qualified for admission could tell me how they did, I'd really like that. Thanks.</p>
<p>Like I said, I thought I failed the first time. I had a knee injury though, but took it to qualify for navy and to get my file done. However, the first time I took it, I PASSED with this:</p>
<p>Push-Ups 51
Pull-Ups 7
Basketball Throw 62 feet
Shuttlerun 60.1
long jump 8'3</p>
<p>So I know that is a passing score. All of the events went up when I took it the second time however, so if you don't do as well as you expected, just practice the events and take it again. It won't hurt you.</p>
<p>I actually thought that the Navy requirements were more strict, because I passed it first, and sent the results to both USNA and USAFA. I guess I thought wrong. My results were:</p>
<p>Push ups - 45
Pull Ups - 8
Basketball Throw - 68
Shuttle - 59.9
Long Jump - 8'2"</p>
<p>DrSnipes, you don't have to be tall to be good at the long jump. I'm only 5'7" and i still jumped over 8 feet. Honestly, it was the easiest event for me.</p>
<p>I think the toughest ones physically were the pushups and pullups, but the hardest event to master was the basketball throw. There's really a lot of technique to it that someone who has never tried it would have a great disadvantage, in my opinion. I started out throwing about 50 feet as an average and worked my way up into the 70's. Only managed 68 in the test, though.</p>
<p>To anybody that hasn't taken it yet, the best advice I can give is to practice, practice, practice. I was lucky to have my parents willing to help me out on a daily basis, and I really benefitted from it.</p>
<p>Here's information posted in the USAFA thread:</p>
<p>PAE</p>
<p>USAFA-must pass each event
USNA-you must earn a minimum of 125 points through the combined achievements on all five tests AND men must perform a minimum of 2 pull-ups; women must achieve a minimum of 12 seconds on the flexed-arm hang
USMA-combination of best efforts on each of the five events with a minimum number of pushups required for men and women</p>
<p>CM</p>
<p>When I took the Navy's PAE last summer, I was required to meet a certain minimum on each individual event...not just pullups. The following is the list of requirements categorized by skill in each event. It's all from memory, so I may be off on a couple of them...</p>
<pre><code> 25 points -- 50 points -- 100 points
</code></pre>
<p>Pullups: 6 -- 12 -- 25
Pushups: 29 -- 43 -- 72
Basketball Throw: 58 ft. -- 72 ft. -- 98 ft.
Shuttle Run: 1'05" -- 1'01" -- 51"
Long Jump: 80 in -- 88 in -- 103 in</p>
<p>If even one minimum wasn't met, the test would be a failure. So you'd have to pass everything first of all, and from there you'd score more points if you excelled at a certain event.</p>
<p>Sounds a little different from what some of you have been describing, but that's how it was for me.</p>
<p>Is there no 2-mile run?</p>
<p>That's how USNA grades their PAE. I passed it for the Naval Academy, and I will definately pass it for the Air Force Academy this time around, but since West Point is my #1 choice (at the moment), I want to make sure to pass this PAE so I can get admitted.</p>
<p>Faxanadue, the 2-mile run is for the Army ROTC scholarship.</p>
<p>Can anyone tell me if taking the PAE so late will hurt my chances of receiving an appointment? Some people on the service academy boards here say that they got their file done several months ago and haven't heard anything since, while others say that they already have received an appointment without receiving a LOA beforehand, while others who got their LOA have already received appointments. </p>
<p>Here's my stats:
- 1330 SAT / 30 ACT
- 3.5 GPA (uw)
- Taken almost the hardest courseload possible (including honors courses and courses taken at a local university)
- Excellent letters of recommendation
- Great interview
- Great essay
- Boys State (elected Senator), Band and Model UN president, SPL, Eagle Scout, three-week study abroad in Salzburg, Austria, planned and led a weeklong Scout outing in the Smokies (thats not all I've done but those are the most significant)</p>
<p>Here's the way a late (past 1/31) PAE would affect you:</p>
<ol>
<li><p>A file is not reviewed until it's complete. Including the PAE. Had you been a candidate for a LOA, those standards rise over time; an early file stands a better chance than a late file. In your specific case, though, with a 1330 and a 3.5, you stood almost no chance of an LOA unless you were an URM from a rural state. </p></li>
<li><p>If you would have been the top candidate from your congressman's slate, then not having your file in order when nom's were received (deadline 1/31) may have cost you the top-of-the-slate appointment. While I don't know how USMA handles incomplete files for nominated candidates, my guess is that they go to the best, complete file at the time the slate is submitted.[An admissions perspective should be obtained on this]</p></li>
<li><p>If you've always been a candidate for the NWL, if you do your PAE asap you're probably no worse off. They'll pull off that list for the next 5 months.</p></li>
</ol>
<p>Ugh. That's what I sort of thought. </p>
<p>This being my 2nd time taking the PAE, I got a letter back from the commander of my region, and he said something about because of the strength of my file, he was authorizing me to take it again with a deadline of 2/11. I didn't know if that was truly something positive or it was simply what was printed on all letters out to kids who sucked it up on their first attempt on the PAE. </p>
<p>I'm not sure if I'm the principal nominee or not, but I do know that my district got hit hard by the snow that disrupted a lot of SATs late last month. I say this because when my Congressman had a little lunch thing back in mid-December for all his nominees, the Army liason officer told me that I don't have to worry about anything and that my test scores are pretty good, and that he usually tells people to retake the SATs and ACTs. With that snowstorm, the SAT got pushed back to last weekend, so a lot of potential West Pointers in my district are up in the air.</p>
<p>I guess we'll see what happens with me. I have an upper respitory infection and so I got the deadline pushed back one more week (but I plan on taking it this Monday). When do people usually hear back from the academy?</p>
<p>Oh, and thanks to everyone who has posted, I've been an anxious wreck and this has helped me.</p>
<p>Consider it a positive that he's giving you a second chance. Usually they'd use that as a graceful way to close your file if they weren't interested.</p>
<p>Good luck.</p>
<p>Just took my PAE and I think I did alright. I passed for the Air Force Academy, hopefully I'll pass for West Point. 6 pull ups, 7'10 jump, 57 feet for basketball throw, 54 push ups, 61.8 running. I really blew it on the push ups and the running, but lets hope that's still considered qualifying.</p>
<p>SKIRBYY--</p>
<p>Did you pass the PAE?</p>
<p>Can anyone tell me what the absolute minimums in each event one can get & still pass?</p>
<p>N</p>
<p>you shouldn't just aim to pass the PAE, you try and excel in it, and get the best score possible, b/c the PAE is considered 10% of your admissions score</p>