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<p>UTexas:</p>

<p>McCombs Overall: #5 Business Program
#1 Accounting</p>

<h1>3 Management Information Systems</h1>

<h1>3 Marketing</h1>

<h1>5 Management</h1>

<h1>6 Finance</h1>

<h1>6 International Business</h1>

<h1>7 Insurance/Risk Management</h1>

<h1>10 Entrepreneurship</h1>

<p>College of Communications:</p>

<h1>4 Advertising</h1>

<h1>7 Public Relations</h1>

<h1>11 Print Journalism</h1>

<h1>7 Film</h1>

<h1>4 Radio-Television</h1>

<p>College of Education: #15 Overall</p>

<h1>7 Educational Administration</h1>

<h1>8 Special Education</h1>

<p>Engineering: #11 Overall</p>

<h1>9 Aerospace</h1>

<h1>19 Biomedical</h1>

<h1>6 Chemical</h1>

<h1>4 Civil</h1>

<h1>8 Computer</h1>

<h1>11 Electrical</h1>

<h1>6 Environmental</h1>

<h1>10 Mechanical</h1>

<p>#2 Petroleum</p>

<p>*All rankings from USNews</p>

<h1>13 Philosophy</h1>

<p>(from Philosophical Gourmet :D )</p>

<p>Plan II Honors is one of the most respected honors programs in the country. McCombs is the ONLY business school to be ranked in the top 10 in every concentration. And various liberal arts majors (like Economics) are ranked alongside top private university programs.</p>

<p>So yeah...I have respect for UT. It's a very good school and for some programs, you can't go wrong. And then there's always football. ;)</p>

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<p>i didnt say it wasnt a good school.. i just said that its reputation is enhanced because of its sports..overrated in the same way USC is. UT is still a good school though</p>

<p>and I know i would choose Binghamton over NYU (i didnt apply to either of them though, applied to SUNY Stony Brook as my safety because its the best in the sciences out of the SUNYs, and id go there over NYU too)</p>

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<p>Where does usnews rank communication schools?</p>

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<p>yeah UT definitely gets a lot of attention from being badass at football, but I think the academics are pretty great as well. </p>

<p>But would you go to SUNY over NYU if they were the same price? ;)</p>

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<p>In the big printed booklet version...they don't even provide that info online to premium customers. UT has it linked on their website as well.</p>

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<p>well, NYU isnt my type of school, so I would never apply but thats besides the point i guess...still, as a physics major, stony brook is probably the better choice than NYU..not for most fields though you are right</p>

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i didnt say it wasnt a good school

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<p>Yeah sometimes I just like to boast about our flagship university...sorry. And then I wait for a response from the Aggies...and it never comes. :D</p>

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<p>Radix,
I can understand why you would want to believe that Stern is perceived as an elite--up there with Columbia, Dartmouth, Duke, Chicago, et al. Don't buy into all the PR ("Feel good") info your office of career services feeds students. Since chances are you want to justify why you are paying that tuition. In the real world, the school is not on the level of the aforementioned schools and a handful of others when it comes to prestige. You can see right on this board that the overall consensus of people agree that NYU is an overrated and overpriced school. While Stern might be the crown jewel, the jewels here are not diamonds. Also, listing the top employers of grads is unimpressive. If 100 grads are working in the backoffice of Goldman rather than on the latest M&A deal, that kind of info can be misleading. Maybe in 25-50 years we can have this conversation again.</p>

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<p>Hmm - I can concur that Stern is not on part with Columbia, Duke, Dartmouth, Harvard, etc., but to argue that Stern is not a good school at all and not even worth the money seems silly. </p>

<p>It is continuously ranked among the top 5 business schools in the nation by USNews and usually grabs the #2 spot for Finance. In addition to this, an annual survey by Standard & Poor's consistently ranks Stern, Harvard and Yale as the three schools with the highest number of alumni in senior executive positions in America's largest corporations. To argue that Stern is basically crap is misguided and I would wonder why you have such a view of the school. If you don't believe it is worth the money, that's one thing, and there are plenty of other business schools that are cheaper and on par with Stern.</p>

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<p>Porsche,</p>

<p>"Don't buy into all the PR ("Feel good") info your office of career services feeds students."</p>

<p>Please note the link on my last reply. It's off the businessweek website. If that's "PR ("Feel good") info your office of career services feeds students," I guess folks at businessweek were too dumb to buy into that. For some reason, I think it's more reasonable to believe that it's more of a data and stats than PR...</p>

<p>Here is the main point:</p>

<p>"In the real world, the school is not on the level of the aforementioned schools and a handful of others when it comes
to PRESTIGE."</p>

<p>This is the thing. I never said Stern's PRESTIGE is "perceived as an elite--up there with Columbia, Dartmouth, Duke, Chicago, et al." I said Stern's RECRUITING is as good as the above. Of course Stern's prestige isn't "perceived as an elite"; there are plenty of schools that are more associated wit the term "elite." So please read my post and understand what I'm saying instead of twisting it and playing with your own words.</p>

<p>"You can see right on this board that the overall consensus of people agree that NYU is an overrated and overpriced school."</p>

<p>Ok, I can see that many people on this board think that NYU is "an overrated and overpriced school." But ask them again if Stern is overrated. Some may think so, as many people think business degree in general is overrated, but I guarantee you that it won't be the "overall consensus of people." Whether they think NYU is overrated is one issue, and to say that Stern is overrated is another. I'm not trying to downplay NYU, as I have a lot of respect for others in different schools, but I'm merely pointing out that it's a separate issue.</p>

<p>"Also, listing the top employers of grads is unimpressive. If 100 grads are working in the backoffice of Goldman rather than on the latest M&A deal, that kind of info can be misleading."</p>

<p>So, Goldman actively recruits at Stern to work in the backoffice? The fact is that except for for the absolute elites, HYPSM, every target school is on equal footing. Other words, once you get your foot into the door, it's up to you. And after a few years of work, a school diploma is nothing but a certificate.</p>

<p>And go back to the website and look at the internship numbers:</p>

<p>Top 10 Recruiting Firms for Internships
Goldman Sachs<br>
JP Morgan Chase<br>
Citigroup<br>
Ernst & Young<br>
Deutsche Bank<br>
Bank of America<br>
Deloitte<br>
PricewaterhouseCoopers<br>
Credit Suisse; Merrill Lynch<br>
Lehman Brothers; Bear Stearns</p>

<p>Hmm...so I guess GS, ML, JP Morgan, and LB take interns from NYU Stern just so that they can learn the nuances of and get better acquainted with "working in the backoffice." Wow, I don't know about you, but that's not too efficient. </p>

<p>Why recruit at Stern at all? I'm sure you can go to the most prestigious schools, you know, the ivies, Chicago, Duke, Standford, etc., and get the best and the brighest backoffice workers? That would make the firm super-duper prestigious!! YAY!! Oh, and that would also save time and manpower that are wasted coming places like NYU, "an overrated and overpriced school." Geez, people at Goldman should know better...</p>

<p>Maybe Stern doesn't have as strong a presence in MS as it does in these other firms. But that doesn't mean that Stern isn't a core school among ALL the firms. </p>

<p>Like I said, Stern, along with schools like Columbia, Duke, Cornell, Chicago, and Dartmouth, will get you through the door. After you set your feet into the place, however, it's all up to you to make it happen. If the individual isn't good enough, but good enough to get hired, he or she will work divisions that are not as prestigious or important. If the individual is good, regardless of what school he or she is from (as long as it's a target school), he or she will be offered better options. </p>

<p>"Maybe in 25-50 years we can have this conversation again."</p>

<p>Oh, God, I hope not. Why talk about a certificate when I'm middle-aged man trying to enjoy life? </p>

<p>Final note: I'm not saying Stern is a better school or a prestigious one. Quite simply, I do not care much. What matters is how Stern will help me start a career, bottom line. I have confidence in my abilities to make things happen down the road. But the first step is important, and Stern is as good as the schools you mentioned in helping you take that first step. If you think NYU Stern, quite simply, sucks, well, great. Enjoy your prestigious life. Oh, and I thank you for taking your oh-so-prestigious time trying to educate the young and confused souls. :) </p>

<p>God that was long, I'm done with this whole argument. I hate arguing people about schools when, in fact, there are many great schools out there that will set you up to succeed. Porsche, you have what you believe, and I got what I believe. We'll never reach consensus. Done.</p>

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<p>I wonder why Catholic schools aren't represented as they used to be. For example like Georgetown, Pepperdine, Fordham, BC. People know there great schools but you never hear any news about them.</p>

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<p>Overrated - Schools with big names far away from your area.</p>

<p>Underrated - Schools commonly thought as mediocre/not great close to your area.</p>

<p>Example: I live in Mass. Kids here are in love with almost any Californian school. Yet, we don't value BU, BC, Tufts, or Northeastern nearly as high as people I've met on this boards who are out of state.</p>

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<p>Overrated: NYU [sorry, it seems like it here.]</p>

<p>Underrated: Carnegie Mellon</p>

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<p>Underrated: NYU (because I'm going there)</p>

<p>Overrated: Berkeley (because I'm not.)</p>

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<p>Most overrated: United States Air Force Academy</p>

<p>Most underrated: United States Merchant Marine Academy</p>

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<p>Hmm...I wouldn't include UPenn's Wharton in the "lower ivies" that you're talking about...:rolleyes:</p>

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<p>Oh of course Wharton is an untouchable, a consensus number 1. Wharton is clearly in a different level than Stern. :)</p>

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<p>Overrated: Wash U in St. Louis, Cornell, NYU, UPenn</p>

<p>Underrated: Carnegie Mellon, UTexas, Chicago, Rice, Northwestern, most LACs, W&M</p>

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<p>this is so easy:</p>

<p>overrated: duke, brown (check their nobel prize winners on wikipedia. pretty pathetic, but thats not the only reason theyre overrated), nyu, washu, uf, cornell, notre dame, service academies, penn, (not as much as the others)</p>

<p>underrated: uchicago, columbia, unc, virginia (the last 2 less so)</p>

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<p>Overrated: NYU, WUST, Tufts (can't wait to hear from Lolabelle)</p>

<p>Underrated: Caltech (seems like only MIT exists)</p>

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<p>Overrated: HYPS
Underrated: Caltech and MIT</p>