<p>What is an "ivy league education"? How can I get one by not being in the Ivy League? :)</p>
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if you want a public ivy league education, go to u of m
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<p>Wherefore Berkeley or UVA?</p>
<p>in other words....what you would expect to get from an ivy you can get from u of m</p>
<p>There have actually been several reports on this</p>
<p>^sanluis, I don't think students at U and M get the full value of an Ivy education as facts suggest students there aren't quiet as competetive upon entrance</p>
<p>btw, why is it called "Ivy League Education" instead of "Elite" or "Top College Education"</p>
<p>Saying Ivies is a smack to Stanford, MIT, CIT, Duke, NU, Chicago...etc.
Well not really, I guess the latter schools are probably mad that they aren't in the Northeast or, in MIT's case, are in the Northeast but can't match up to Ivy level sports competition.</p>
<p>Most Overrated: NYU, obviously, most applied to school in the country for what reason? Wow, NYC, nothing to do with the school. Afterthat, BU.</p>
<p>Most Underrated: Atleast up here in New England, Babson & Olin, Johnson & Wales, & Brandeis recieve much less recognition than they should. Tuft, BU, BC, Harvard, MIT, & Wellesley get enough love.</p>
<p>A famous person do say" Harvard is the Michgan of the East".
Anyone know who the famous person is ?</p>
<p>Oh, oh! Was it perhaps a president of the United States? :)</p>
<p>"you want a public ivy league education, go to u of m"</p>
<p>-Its more like if you want a Big 10 education, go to Uof M .. :rolleyes:</p>
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<p>1st Guess: Johnny Knoxville
2nd Guess: John F. Kennedy</p>
<p>And I'm pretty sure that was in reference to football ;)</p>
<p>I thought the saying was, Stanford is the Harvard of the West, and WUSTL is the Stanford wannabe of the Midwest ;)</p>
<p>More like Stanford is the Johns Hopkins and Cornell of the west.</p>
<p>Most overrated: Duke, Stanford, Brown, Penn, Emory, Tufts, NYU</p>
<p>Most underrated: Wesleyan, Wellesley, Cornell, and, I hate to say this, HYP</p>
<p>The intellectual level of this thread makes yesterday's Northwestern/Tufts discussion look like the Lincoln/Douglas debates.</p>
<p>Don't play yourself kk19131!</p>
<p>I've heard enough of Wellesley, their alum make sure they're not underrated.</p>
<p>so what exactly does tufts have that make it underrated?</p>
<p>I think it's name recognition, at least IMO, because well when I was applying there every one was like where :confused: And then when two of my friends are actually attending, people are like, oh is that in New Hampshire? And I just shake my head.</p>
<p>PosterX, You are joking, right? The ivy league doesn't even offer a very good education (unless you like blood thirsty classmates who are willing to cheat if it means lining up a job, distracted professors, inflated grades, etc.) None of these schools are underrated. All of them have broad name recognition and a reputation for academic excellence they don't deserve. Remember: a college should not be judged by the quality of it's applicants but by the quality of it's graduates!</p>
<p>The truly underrated schools: Reed, St. John's College, Marlboro, Macaleter, Rhodes, Kalamazoo, hampshire, etc.</p>
<p><em>if you disagree, just look at the PhD productivity of these school compared to that of the ivy league</em></p>
<p>not everyone is interested in a phd.</p>
<p>“<em>if you disagree, just look at the PhD productivity of these school compared to that of the ivy league</em>”</p>
<p>-But I don’t want a PhD. I guess I’m not going to be a good graduate. :(</p>
<p>First of all, I didn't say that the entire Ivy League was underrated. I think some of the Ivy League is overrated, while other Ivies (namely HYP) are so far ahead of their competitors in every respect, that they can only be seen as underrated.</p>
<p>Second, I have looked in detail at the PhD productivity of those kinds of small schools - as well as where the PhDs were actually earned - and am generally not impressed. Getting a PhD from the University of Utah is generally not as impressive as getting a PhD from Yale, the school that awarded the first PhD degree in the United States.</p>
<p>Of course, that changes when you're talking about, say, Wesleyan, Wellesley, or Swarthmore. Some of the very top LACs have very impressive records.</p>
<p>And also, by the way, even on a strict numerical basis, while many LACs produce more PhDs per capita than most universities, there are a few top universities (such as Yale, Princeton, Caltech and UChicago) that send more of their undergraduate alumni on to get PhDs in certain areas per capita than almost any LAC. I would even say that these elite universities have a more intellectual atmosphere than even your most intellectual, academia-oriented LAC.</p>
<p>Another good measure is to look at which students produce not just future PhDs, but future professors. Again, you'll see the top schools like HYP dominating, even on a per capita basis. Or if you want to avoid academia altogether, check out a ranking like this: <a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=177439%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=177439</a></p>
<p>Regardless, PhD productivity is usually a good indicator of the quality of a college. At least a better one than it's selectivity ranking.</p>
<p>In fact, let me re-phrase the above. 80% of St. John's graduates, for example, are accepted to top grad. schools across the country including the Ivy league (Unlike the ivy league undergrad programs, the grad school programs really are the best). Not many undergraduate institutions can boast that kind of acceptance rate</p>