<p>As long as you keep an open mind and find actual friends, you won't turn out like CST.</p>
<p>Cody's Books closed. That made me sad. :(</p>
<p>Yes indeed, but Moe's and Shakespeare won't close anytime soon. Cody's expanded too fast (union Square, 4th str).</p>
<p>I got another year still to check out all this stuff/attempt to do it... I better get ready to party the hell outta next year. Make up for lost time. ;)</p>
<p>You'd better start soon, because that list is definitely not comprehensive!</p>
<p>Groupthink in action.</p>
<p>3) Put others who disagree with you into a stereotype you can ignore.</p>
<p>The simplest proof you have of how crappy Cal is: the poor number of Cal graduated that actually go on to do anything ground breaking. Despite having 5 times the number of the Ivies, how many nobel prize winners attended Cal at the undergraduate level in recent memory? Oh! None!</p>
<p>Stupid college rituals won't make your school magically better.</p>
<p>My guess is that you don't like having friends.</p>
<p>Wait, CST, isn't that what you do to "those dastardly liberals"?</p>
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<p>It's things that like that create a sense of community and personality. But hey, that's just one of your major complaints, although you would willing strike down many things that are solutions at other schools, from LACs to privates universities and other public universitiess, and basically complain and not try to do anything to improve anything- simply complain. You're the greedy soulless Cal grad you hate so much.</p>
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The simplest proof you have of how crappy Cal is:The simplest proof you have of how crappy Cal is: the poor number of Cal graduated that actually go on to do anything ground breaking. Despite having 5 times the number of the Ivies, how many nobel prize winners attended Cal at the undergraduate level in recent memory? Oh! None!
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<p>Clearly the only sensical way to judge any school. You're always on the ball. Maybe you should complain about how nobody won the award, and then someone might magically win it, and then you can complain how it only happened to ONE person. Look at relative input and the goals of students. And then complain more.</p>
<p>HEY! i almost bought a bike from the ashbey flea market haha im going back this weekend to buy one for real this time.</p>
<p>lol drab, good point</p>
<p>I've heard about all these neat things to do, but all I really want is to catch a glance at the elusive Triangle Man.</p>
<p>"the poor number of Cal graduated that actually go on to do anything ground breaking"</p>
<p>That's ridiculous. Without looking too far, do you realize that this very conversation was made possible due to the contributions of Berkeley undergrads? What chip does your computer run on, Intel-powered PC (founded by Cal grad Gordon Moore) or do you have a Mac (founded by Steve Wozniak)?</p>
<p>Do you also realize that Cal offers a world-class education to more economically disadvanteged students than the entire Ivy League put together (22K undergrads for Cal vs 58K for all Ivys combined)?</p>
<p>As far as groupthink, do you see a single school on this site where students and alums debate amongst themselves on the virtues or downfalls of their schools like we have on the Berkeley site?</p>
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<p>Well, I don't know if Woz really counts. After all, he got his Berkeley degree AFTER he had co-founded Apple. Furthermore, Woz had little involvement with the Mac project specifically. His great contribution was the design of the ground-breaking Apple II. </p>
<p>If you wanted to use business tech examples, you're probably better off using examples like Tom Anderson who founded MySpace.</p>
<p>ewwwww boo MySpace</p>
<p>this is actually in response to a comment a few pages back...</p>
<p>but i picked up the heuristic squelch while visiting cal a few months back and it was AMAZING. i laughed so hard. is it hard to join the heuristic squelch team?</p>
<p>Actually sakky, you're wrong. Woz was a Cal student before he founded Apple. He dropped out to start Apple, then went back to finish his degree in the 80s. IIRC he only had a couple of semesters left. </p>
<p>Besides being wrong, your point is amazingly nit-picky, if not irrelevant.</p>
<p>Misspic, if you have a great sense of humor or editorial skills, you should join them. Otherwise enough enthusiasm should be enough, I'm sure they could use an executive vice-president of distribution if you've got two arms and can drop off stacks of zines around campus...</p>
<p>Believe me, I know Woz's biography quite well. To say that Berkeley should somehow 'claim' Woz because he was a dropout is a big stretch. I don't see anybody crediting Woz to the University of Colorado, although he dropped out of there too. </p>
<p>Besides, the implication of using Woz as an example is that if you want to be successful, then you too should go to Berkeley and then drop out. I don't think anybody would seriously countenance such a stance.</p>
<p>I am interested in getting factually correct information out. And the fact is, Woz had only limited involvement in the Mac project. It is far more correct to say that he founded Apple, not founded the Mac. The Mac is far more properly credited to Jobs, who inspired the idea and was the principal business leader of the project, or the the members of the principal design team: guys like Raskin, Hertzfeld, Atkinson, George Crow, Burrell Smith, and the rest of them. </p>
<p>I am not concerned about whether you think my point is nit-picky or irrelevant. As I've said before countless times, if you don't like my posts, then don't read them. Nobody has a gun to your head.</p>
<p>Woz went to Cal. Founded Apple, revolutionized technology and the business world. Retired and went back to earn Cal engineering degree. He g r a d u a t e d f r o m Cal (just spelling it out for you.)</p>
<p>We're used to your spin by now, it's a bit tiresome and contorted, but that doesn't mean that it shouldn't be refuted.</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
<p>Woz graduated from Cal AFTER he had had quit Apple. That doesn't exactly bode well for what you can do if you have a Cal degree. </p>
<p>Woz went to Colorado too. Are you going to credit Colorado with producing the founder of Apple? I didn't think so. </p>
<p>Besides, I've never particularly enjoyed the 'claim' that Harvard has over Bill Gates, precisely because Gates graduated. Or that Stanford has over Steve Ballmer, because Ballmer never completed his Stanford MBA. But fine, have it your way. If you want to say that Cal can claim Woz and Apple, then the fair thing to say is that Stanford and Harvard can claim Microsoft. </p>
<p>I'm also extremely tired of your spin, but I will always be here to refute it. Like I said, if you don't like it, don't read it.</p>
<p>Woz graduated from Cal AFTER he had had quit Apple, and he was a student at Cal BEFORE he started Apple. In other words, Woz was at Cal B E F O R E and A F T E R he founded Apple. </p>
<p>Just wanted to spell out the chronology for you, in case you the wikipedia entry you breezed through didn't make that clear for you.</p>
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