My 2 Cents on SBU - must read for prospective students

<p>any college has a certain amount of dorm space for dorms – if they are planning long range growth and have the money, they may build more dorms, but that is not an every day occurrence. most colleges don’t have limitless space to keep adding more dorms.</p>

<p>when they have more entering freshmen than they have dorm space for, you get tripling. at some schools this happens rarely when they “goof” on their admissions figures. at some schools this happens because it is just accepted that a certain percentage of freshmen will be tripled.</p>

<p>as i said above, i know plenty of kids who went to private colleges (not just urban ones) where they were tripled. i know kids who raced to get in their housing applications at schools where the longer you waited, the more likely you were to get a triple.</p>

<p>being tripled is not easy and i can certainly understand students wanting to avoid it. but to paint the problem as a public college issue simply isn’t fair or factually correct.</p>

<p>Wrong. Fordham does have triples. A couple of floors below me is all Fordham and they are all triples. NYU has given a few students in my building triples. So it’s not a public thing. Same goes for LIM.</p>

<p>bump for this year</p>

<p>haha sbudonotwant, i think i’m the new you.</p>

<p>how are the computer science classes??</p>

<p>Ironicallyunsure, you are hoping that your Cornell reputation will mean something. It is not reputation of the college, but your college performance that will determine job search or graduate school admission. There are many bright students whose parents cannot afford to pay the private universities.</p>

<p>YO real talk real talk. </p>

<p>West Philadelphia born and raised… ok jk but here’s my response</p>

<p>I am currently a freshmen at Stony Brook and going in, I heard stories of the food being bad, being tripled, lack of facilities, bad staffs, bad teachers, and just no campus life. I was like hellllll no this betta not be no prison camp. But then I went and experienced Stony Brook myself. ANd i gotta tell u, the things people told me forced me to think negatively. BUT… BUT. BUT. i realized this wasn’t bad at all. I lived in Kelly Quad, and I gotta tell u my first year has been amazing. GUYS do not live in corridors, get suites, which is three bedrooms, a balcony, a common room (living room), and a private bathroom!!! I can’t imagine being in a corridor. Freshmen will get tripled, but it’s not bad at all. Guess what? I got a detriple offer, and I’m still tripled, because I don’t mind. I have great roommates, and suite-mates. Trust me campus life is great, but you gotta know what to do. DOesn’t matter where you go, if you don’t get involved in clubs and activities then your life will be miserable - i repeat, will be miserable. I’m a pre-med student and classes are tough, but realize that ppl who say classes are tough are probably just lazy ppl like the majority of the world. I heard hell stories of chem, and i’m telling you if u read the textbook you will do fine on the test. Yes, some classes will challenge you (BIO 203), but I’m looking at it in a perspective that it will help me in med school. Food is good, I mean you kinda get tired of the same variety being available, but there are many ways to customize your food especially at kelly dining. I mean at the sandwich station there’s a plethora of bread, meats, and cheese. I was considering transferring at first, but now I’m def staying. I found out about activities that interested me, met ppl that shared my interest and now I’m having the time of my lives. I’m moving to the new dorm building hopefully next semester, and I actually convinced a friend(currently freshmen in college) to transfer in. I just hope I’m able to room with him next semester. If anyone has any questions, please don’t hesitate in PMing me. Yea I know this is a sloppy response, but i getz it done. Na’mean? lol</p>

<p>Good for you SBUDoNotWant for enlightening this people about Stony Brook. </p>

<p>Sirene8 The computer science program at stony brook is really good and it is a nationally rank program though it is quite tough in upper level classes I know alot of guys that got A’s in the intro classes but had a really difficult time when they got to the 300 level classes especially the non programming requirements they make you take alot of science classes and math also I dont know why but its part of the requirement. My friend had to take physics dont know what that has to do wiith computer programing. </p>

<p>Ha ha GetMEIn03 your a freshman of course this is all new too you wait till you eat the same thing for four years and trust me the food has gotten worst every year I was there. They use to have a Taco Bell (H-quad), a Burger King (roth), and a Chinese takeout place (crapppy) also but they got rid of those. Also they raising your guys tuition so glad I finished up last year.</p>

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Replaced with Wendy’s and California Pizza Kitchen in Roth. Though both places are crap for food, the stuff served in Kelly and the Sac is loads more healthier and tasty. Real burgers > fast cooked in a something close to deep fry **** burgers.</p>

<p>Delfino I agree with u. California Pizza Kitchen and Wendy’s are actually cheap and pretty tasty meals to have once in a while, and it adds to the variety stony brook offers. No matter what you will get tired of the food no matter what school you go to. Kelly and the SAC have the best variety in my opinion and you can easily get healthy foods (Wraps!, Customized Burritos!) </p>

<p>And Krazed, the chinese take out place u mention was probably replaced by jasmine, which is a great place in my opinion to get chinese food, Japanese style chicken terriyaki (My favorite, the chef cooks it rite in front of u as it sizzles on the grill), and Indian food (I know many ppl are hesitant to try indian food, but I’ve gotten a lot of my friends to fall in love with it - So try it out) Well NY is in debt, and it’s sad to see tuition go up but it sure beats paying for other colleges that are not better than ours academically (prices for private colleges hover around $30,000).</p>

<p>For what it’s worth, folks, they haven’t announced any tuition increases yet. So let’s not just assume that’s going to happen.</p>

<p>And I really like the Indian section at Jasmine also. Better than the Chinese side, methinks.</p>

<p>Chris</p>

<p>My daughter has been accepted at Stony Brook and UConn pre-med track program. I have read above all posts. She was offered 50% tuition at both schools but UCONN costs 10k greater than SBU. She was offered 5k scholarship at SBU per year ( 20k in 4 years). UCONN has given 12k scholarship per year. Apart from the differences in financial expenses, I would like to know more about differences in the quality of pre-med education. What is success rate of students going into medicine from these schools?</p>

<p>I did not find any information from Uconn pre-med web site about their success rate. I appreciate your comments. We live in NH and UConn is closer but 10 k costlier. I am more concerned about quality in teaching and guidance for getting into medicine.</p>

<p>i paid roughly 30k to buy me a lesson.</p>

<p>The English department is the worst thing in my whole academic year i’ve ever incurred. At the beginning of my first semester because i was out of luck somehow, i couldn’t enroll in ESL 193 because all classes were full so after i tried to login in SOLAR and bother to find an empty spot for me for two weeks and then i emailed the department to ask them put me into ESL 192 program( did i mention how broken SOLAR system is? there always are classes you’ve meet the prequisite but can’t be registered.) but right after i enrolled into 192 i found there’s a section in 193 had available seats so i tried to enroll but failed because the broken system didnt allow me to either drop 192 or swap to 193 so i had to make an appointment to the cordinator of ESL department again and this time i was insulted that she didn’t want to see me in the rest of my life or whatever because i bothered her twice. I mean the first impression for an international student like me is really bad.</p>

<p>The story of ‘English’ is not over, i dont want to say the professor’s name or make it personally. but i swear to god that thing made me almost immediately drop from Stony Brook and transfer to another institution.
My english wasnt good i admit and i suppose this is the reason why i came here, right? because otherwise why somebody bothers going to study some extra writing classes. I failed my first eassy so that i asked her for advise because obviously i didnt want to fail this course plus i heard people saying that for two speak same level of english one retook ESL 193 three times while another already finished his WRT102 because the writing placement test put him out of ESL at the very beginning. She told me to find someone who’s native to English to help me revise my eassy. Lucky for me i had a very good roommate to help me rewrite the eassy word by word and i resubmited my eassy. This time she gave me a B- and told me she still could not take my eassy because my formatting is not right and i am the only student of what number she have taught dont know how to do that. i can assure you she didnt teach it in class and she just assumed you should have known, not to mention the format is placed by my roommate who’s majoring in PSY and already had two years experience in college level english writing(he’s a transferer). i asked the other roommate( i was tripled, btw) and he didnt have any idea what she wanted. then two weeks later i was about to discuss my second essay with her after class, i happened to find out another student was asking her about the same thing of the formating thing so when i was handling my essay to her i mentioned that i guess i wasnt the only one who didnt know how to do proper formating. I still dont know why she started to become extremely angry and threw away my paper and said if i have some evidence, bla, bla she didnt know how the student could finish eassy 1 and then fast walked out the classroom, i know she’s embrassed i tried to follow her because i thought she was still my teacher but in reture she kept saying alot of insulting words and said i was always missing classes and late and whatever i was worst was what what what. The only thing i can tell is except the first two weeks before my enrollment i didnt miss any classes because i put language learning at the very first even if on days it was heavily raining and i was the quite few people who were able to attend the class. i didnt remember the detail of each word she said to me but i almost cried for sure and this is worst scenario occured to me between student and teacher in my life not to say it was in a foreign nation where i bear could fluently express my mind. After talked to my roommates, they all suggested me to report this to the committee, i said i was fine i would just drop the class and i didnt want any troubles any more. i am done with involve into any English related course, at least i can do is find another college and finish the writing credits and transfer here.</p>

<p>TO THOSE OF YOU WHO WANT TO GRADUATE IN STONY BROOK, i suggest you be prepared to the placement test DO NOT ENROLL IN ANY PART OF THE ESL PROGRAMS. even in general case the only reason the department exists is because they want your tuition money!!! and no matter how much time you spend, you surely will end up like me who still speaks broken English.</p>

<p>about the dorm, i dont want to give any other specific examples. I just want to warn that moving off-campus is not going to be a much better choice, it’s long island and without a car you are nothing. if even you have, think twice because you have to leave your car at south P and take but to the main campus.</p>

<p>about other programs, i have to say computer science is amazing and it’s professors are really nice. and you definately can learn a lot. Psy from what i heard is also very popular among major choices. The good thing is here the professors here are generally nice unless you want into some soft spot of this school like bussiness, economics. you are certainly wasting your time.</p>

<p>General campus life sucks, the reasons are obvious i dont need to say it once more. but if you dig deeper you still can find a bunch of things to do at least headquarters of this schools are trying to make this happen. Foreign population is large both for green card holders who have come to the US for many years and people who are just as new as me, trust me they form their own group and i have to stay around my people, too. it’s sad and really is not what i wanted because deep down it’s much better if i stay in China and if i want traditional way of living. People usually have fun by playing video games all night long even for my american roommates, so if you are a very out-door seeking person this school will definately change your habit. my opinion is this school is too diverse and how can you expect hundreds of Chinese not hanging out with the same amount of Chinese, not to mention it’s impossible to do any thing very american on weekends because they are just ghosts.</p>

<p>by the by, did i say a lot of students in freshman-level courses are just numbers? dont be tricked by the stats from USNews that this school has a comparable low acceptance rate, it sure does with an exception is if you are out of state or out of country and willing to pay full tuition. most scholarships here are just jokes, dont even bother to try.</p>

<p>oh, i almost forgot to mention one thing why there are people in school hosts events. because we have our first year seminar course which requires you to swap your ID card for attending these events to earn a satisfatory. Sometimes the RA also asks you to some games in the ground floor of your dorm building for just finishing their job and begs you to sign up your name on their attendence sheet and the fact is i tried to go to these events twice one time had no one excepted the RA another time i think is two or three. i couldnt see how games can be played.</p>

<p>i am not saying other public unversity will have these problems ultimately gone, i just want to note people do not expect too much and unless you are also a long island resident i dont think you can live care-free like they do. they really do, because otherwise i dont see why they want to stay near a place where’s only twenty minutes away from home. at least my HDV102 instructor’s children earned their degree at Tufts, by the way the instructor is the vice precident of the student association.</p>

<p>I am really sorry, because either choice i have to pay out of state tuition, i’d rather make it more worth a little bit, so after this semester if you want to argue me back of how’s Stony Brook you may find me in Minnesota where at least i dont have to pay three times tuition as in state tuition and where at least i dont have to have a car if i just want to hang around a little bit further than this campus. another trivial thing is i dont think people here are very gay friendly, they are just long islanders, what do you expect more?</p>

<p>one thing to note is that the people who are trying to get pre med classes have a very hard time getting into the classes they need. a bunch of my friends struggle to get into the classes they need to take because they fill up very fast and many are left out to eat the dust.</p>

<p>Let me introduce a bit about myself. I am a double major in Business Management with a Concentration in Finance and Economics. Unlike cby1990, I immigrated to America when I was 6 years old. I was naturalized years before I applied to Stony Brook. I am currently in the Dean’s List. Even though this is my second year in Stony Brook, I currently stand as a junior (U3 Standing). I recently got accepted into another college upstate and I am going to transfer out of Stony Brook. Before I leave I want to share my experiences in Stony Brook.</p>

<p>When I came into SBU in my freshman year, I was ahead of the game. Typically students had to take WRT 101 and WRT102 to finish their writing requirements. I only had to take WRT102 and be done with it. On my second day of school I was dropped out of my WRT102 class. The email on SOLAR said this in the first sentence: "WRT-102 has been removed from your schedule and ESL-193 will be added once the course becomes available.” This means that I have to take ESL193, WRT101, and then WRT102 to finish my writing requirements. They set me a year back in a sense. What was worse was that there were no ESL-193 classes to be added as they were all full. SBU denied me a class in my first semester here.</p>

<p>During that time, I was a Mechanical Engineering Major. The Mechanical Engineering Major had very strict set of classes that you have to take. During your sophomore year, your whole entire schedule should be packed with MEC classes. If I had to take writing during my sophomore year, then I will have a huge course load of work. When they denied me a writing class my first semester, I will be further set back on my academic course work. </p>

<p>But the problem is that due to the HUGE budget cuts the school had to deal with, students are restricted during their registration dates to only apply for 16 credits a semester. I was concerned because there is a chance that during my sophomore year, the writing classes will be full and I would not be able to take writing along with all of the coursework that I have. This means that I may not be able to graduate on time, as some of junior standing classes require a student to satisfy their writing requirement. These were all potential hazards that would impede me from graduating on time.</p>

<p>The reason why I was dragged down to ESL193 was because of two things: the survey and my SAT essay. The survey was taken when you apply to SBU. Amongst a few things it asked you, it asked you these two questions: Were you born in the US? Yes or No. Did you learn English before you were 6 years old? Yes or No. I answered these questions honestly and I clicked No and No. These two questions then branded me as a foreign or ESL student. This means that I will be judged as an ESL student by the Linguistics Department. They then read my SAT essay, and deemed me as a student deserving ESL193 than WRT102.</p>

<p>During that time, I found it impossible because my combined SAT Reading/Writing score was high; that was why I got into WRT102 initially. But after the survey they investigated further by reading my SAT essay and they deemed me as ESL193. I had a lot of problems with this. I called the head of the ESL program in the Linguistics department and she told me that sending me to WRT102 was an error. They automatically placed me in WRT102 because I did not do my survey yet.</p>

<p>I found that it was unfair for them to judge me by two questions. Furthermore, they then judged me by a 25 minute essay specifically designed and written for the SAT only. I took a lot of SAT prep classes under the Princeton Review and I have learned how to milk the scores out of the SAT essay. I was taught to give a lot of examples and write very quickly. Grammar and syntax errors were rampant in my essay but the whole point was to give as many examples and get your point across. The Linguistics department then read that essay and said it was ridden with grammar and syntax errors and thus I was dragged down into ESL193.</p>

<p>I gave all of these valid claims through the two minute conversation with her over the phone. She then told me that it “doesn’t matter.” I then told her that my SAT reading/writing scores were higher than some of my friends who had to take the writing placement exam and was placed at least in WRT101. The writing placement exam was required for students who scored several points lower in the SAT reading/writing to determine whether or not they go to WRT101 or WRT102. I was waived from the placement exam because my scores were good enough to waive it and go directly to 102. But then she told me that I was “ESL.” I then told her that I have been in this country since I was 6. Then she gave the most offensive and borderline racist statement: “It doesn’t matter, you’re not born here.” She even told me that I can’t take the placement exam because it was for native students.
I have never been so angry and offended in my entire life. Just because I’m not born here means I’m ESL? English has been my native language, even though it was not my first. I have never learned how to read and write Chinese outside of my home. I then went back to my triple room and climbed up to my bunk bed and just meditated for a few minutes. My blood pressure ran so high during that moment that I couldn’t contain my body from shaking.</p>

<p>So I then had to suck it up and take ESL193. I wrote a good enough sample essay on the first day of class to bump me up into WRT101. I then passed my writing portfolio to waive myself from WRT102. If you guys have the same situation as me, you will not be as lucky to do what I did by killing three birds with one stone. You cannot hand in a writing portfolio to waive your WRT102 class anymore. My professor in WRT101 was the director of the writing department. He understood my situation wholeheartedly and agreed with me, unlike dozens of faculty members who I spoke to that told me that I needed anger counseling (not exaggerating). So this was the main thing that *<strong><em>ed me off about SBU. Like really *</em></strong>ed me off.</p>

<p>Now, I am going to talk about the school in terms of academics.</p>

<p>If you come to SBU and you are not a science, computer, IT, or engineering major, you will not amount to anything when you grow up. I am very ambitious and amount I mean by alot of money, in the 6th digits or more. Stony Brook’s Business major is good, but has no marketability at all. JP Morgan, Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs, Citigroup, and all of the big financial institutions come here to recruit the IT majors. They barely even look at the Business majors so that is why I am transferring out. If you are looking to major in Art, Sociology, Political Science, Psychology, and English then I have no words to say about it but I personally consider them as “housewife” majors.</p>

<p>If you want to become a doctor when you grow up, SBU is a good litmus test to determine whether or not you have the rigor and the determination to become a doctor. That means you have to get all As in your science courses, particularly Orgo and Chem. If you fail at getting the grades required and having your dreams shattered like most of the students who want to go to med school, you can be a health science major like most of the students who failed, and work as a physician assistant and whatnot in the lower echelon of the healthcare industry. </p>

<p>Some people may be happy to get these types of jobs working an average salary with an average car, marrying an average wife. Like I said, I am very ambitious and I expect myself to be filthy rich one day, so I set my standards much higher than most of the students in this school. This is one of the reasons why I want to transfer out: because the students are not very motivated.</p>

<p>My Business courses so far are easy. I managed to get straight As my first semester of sophomore year, and I am expecting another perfect score at the end of this semester. The classes are somewhat engaging. My Economics courses are the ones I somewhat have to worry about, as all of my economics professors are foreign and are very bad at expressing their thoughts.</p>

<p>The social life in this school is the most depressing thing to talk about. The OP is correct; this school is filled with false diversity. Sure you can see a few group of friends that are mixed, but all in all, the Korean internationals hang out with Korean internationals, the Chinese internationals hang out with Chinese internationals, the African-Americans hang out with African-Americans, the Caucasians are usually commuters and have their own high school niche, the Asian-Americans hang out with Asian-Americans, the Indians hang out with Indians, so on and so forth. It is very rare to see these groups of people talk to each other. I have never seen a Korean international student not talking to a Korean international student. </p>

<p>As an Asian-American student, I can relate to being one of my kind. I try at times to converse with diverse groups but the attempts are little to no avail. There are so many barriers that it made me give up. Firstly, most of the non-Asians cannot tell the difference between an Asian-American and an Asian international. Secondly, this forces me to hang out with Asian-Americans. Lastly, all of these things combined create a depressing and boring social ambiance. This isn’t what college is about.</p>

<p>One of the best examples of why this school’s social environment fails is my old roommate. He is an Asian-American student. My suitemate was a Pakistani guy, a very cool guy with a very diverse amount of friends. My suitemate tries to talk to my roommate, but he never gave a second thought about him for the whole entire year we were all living together. I really think that it was just because he didn’t look like an oriental Asian.
When I thought about going to college, the main idea of getting a college education was not only to prepare you for the workforce, but to expand and broaden your perspective of the world. How can you expand and broaden, when someone forces hypocrisy amongst people of other race, culture, and ethnicity?</p>

<p>I have been so depressed with my group of friends and the social life here that I gave it all away. Hanging out with my friends was the most unproductive thing I can ever do in this school. At least going to parties and drinking it down relieved stress. Talking to them boils my ****. These uniform, social groups, my bunch of Asian-American friends for example, are very counterproductive. For international students, you want to assimilate into American culture and tell about it when you go back to your homeland. But when you go to Stony Brook, you can’t really say anything about it because it is all too similar to your homeland. My group of friends initially is assimilated into American society. I think, over time, they have de-assimilated. They sing and talk about Korean pop culture, while I rocked out and listened to Motley Crue, Metallica, and GunsNRoses. I came here to this country from China to be an American, not a Korean. Moreover, I feel that the more they hang out with each other the more they are causing each others’ downfalls. Each friend enables the others to fail in their academics. First, it is pulling two all-nighters in a row playing games, and then eventually it becomes academic warnings and then academic suspensions. I try to criticize them and force them to be productive, but it is hard to criticize a group of individuals when they praise and glorify each other when in reality they will not be able to get a job in this global environment. And as we are so similar in culture and ethnicity, there is no reason to really share each other’s perspectives on life. I will never be able to get that type of college education that I wanted here in SBU.</p>

<p>Maybe you incoming freshmen will make this school better than what I have experienced. Maybe you will find a colorful mix of friends, if that is what you desire. Maybe you will get your ideal college experience here. But when I transfer out of this school, I know that I will get the college education that I want somewhere else.</p>

<p>Excuse You. The education in CUNYs are definitely comparable to SUNY education, if NOT even better.</p>

<p>“The education opportunities and level of academics will be much greater than a CUNY for sure.”</p>

<p>Please do not diss out a CUNY when you didn’t even do your research. I attend Baruch College, a business school that is a million times better than Stony’s business school. Though stony kids may be getting a BS degree compared to out BBA degree, it does not mean our CUNY baruch education is lacking compared to SUNY sbu.
I can proudly say that Baruch College prepares us for the future because we are a commuter school. Practically everyone at Baruch works while taking classes and commutes. Life is more challenging and fulfilling at Baruch. You Stony kids at most WOW probably sit in your dorm to play games all day. for those who are a bit more productive, you are either a RA, RSP, working at the mall, the sync site, whatever. Gee how productive. </p>

<p>I can tell you that Baruch is highly competitive because students are not only working part time at companies such as JP morgan, Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, Credit Suisse, etc but they are also maintaining a 3.5 GPA, which is not as easy as you would think. At Baruch college we also have a really active student life unlike SBU. So if you think about it, those who obtained jobs from companies such as the ones listed above are definitely students who are active on campus while maintaining a 3.5 GPA. </p>

<p>NOW, if SBU has anything like that please by all means continue dissing CUNYs. </p>

<p>If SBU has nothing like that then think twice before you go and bash all CUNY schools.</p>

<p>I understand that SBU specializes in science and baruch is business. I don’t want to make generalizations but you started it. Obviously Baruch’s science program may not be on par with Stony’s, but our business school is definitely better than stony’s. </p>

<p>So don’t go and diss all the CUNY schools just because it’s a city school. I can guarantee you that at Baruch College “The education opportunities and level of academics will be much greater than SUNY SBU for sure.”</p>

<p>the last message is aimed at frasifrasi (his third post) on the first page</p>

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I can’t resist but they have assimilated into American society perfectly. That is what every normal American is doing in college.</p>

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Your going to find that in a lot of colleges seriously. My Ecuadorian friend goes to Cornell…guess what? People stick their own groups too, heck hes in a hispanic only frat. (yeah bad example but pretty much lots of groups like that). You will find that the problem is not the college but the people, especially in this country, people just don’t care unless they were raised differently from the majority.</p>

<p>In regards to the topic of ethnicity at SBU : People stick to their own ethnicity where ever they go. Just because asians stick with asians and black people stick with black people, etc. doesnt make things at stony brook any different than any other school.</p>

<p>I had a hard time choosing what school to go to. My choices were down to NYU and SBU and it was a really hard decision to make. Granted, the schools are entirely different. NYU is placed in the heart of the city and SBU is in the middle of Long Island (some people have many different nicknames for it, ie: “the boonies”) and all I can really say to the people who are unhappy is,you probably should’ve visited the school beforehand. A friend of mine has a sister that goes there and she let me tag along with her to her classes because she knew I was having a hard time choosing. I met all of her friends that she’s made while she was there and while talking to them, many of them that were unhappy repeatedly said that they probably should’ve visited the school before making their decisions. They were all looking for different things and they decided on a school that they hadn’t even visited and that was probably a poor decision on their part. Even my sister hates the school she currently attends and she didn’t visit her school either. Many people who say they are unhappy with a school say it’s because they didn’t visit the school. Even at different colleges, you’re going to have a professor with a thick accent and you’re going to meet people in the offices that are rude, what makes stony brook any different?</p>

<p>You should probably take my opinion / advice with a grain of salt but the thing is, people on different sides of how they felt/ still feel about SBU can convince you until they’re blue in the face but all it really comes down is to what you want from your college experience. The only advice many people can offer you is to VISIT THE SCHOOL and they definitely are right. You should go to a place where you can imagine yourself being there having fun while getting a really good education for the price that you pay.</p>

<p>Although the original poster makes several valuable contributions, many of his statements don’t fully apply anymore. Stony Brook (my alma mater) has changed significantly over the past few years.</p>