my family is suing Columbia... will this affect my chances there?

<p>ok i lied! but PLEASE CHANCE ME.</p>

<p>hey everyone! i'm a senior applying ED to columbia's engineering school... please chance me!</p>

<p>italian american </p>

<h1>7 out of 250 students</h1>

<p>620 on math 550 on critical reading 600 on writing
620 on math Sat II
530 Spanish Sat II
taking math 2 and physics in October
27 ACTs
took mostly all general classes until junior year, i took two honors and senior year i'm taking 2 APs. </p>

<p>activites:
cheerleader all 4 years
treasurer NHS
italian club- 9 & 10
all american cheerleader
work at an ice cream parlor</p>

<p>thanks in advance: i'm also applying to cornell, boston college, lehigh, villanova, rutgers, and fordham!</p>

<p>also, at columbia i want to study financial engineering!</p>

<p>your ECs and SATs seem to be quite weak for Columbia. However, acceptance rates are exceptionally higher to SCEAS ED, 35% i think. I'm not sure if the applicant pool is self-selecting or if it's just downright easier to get in. but good luck</p>

<p>"SCEAS ED, 35% i think. I'm not sure if the applicant pool is self-selecting or if it's just downright easier to get in. but good luck"</p>

<p>the pool is highly self selecting, it isn't easier, incoming class stats show this, anecdotally too seas students are bright/brighter, they're comparable to science, math and econ majors in the college.</p>

<p>From personal experience I will say this: Seas students in terms of smartness and intelligence tend to be less polarized that CC students. When I meet CC students, I think to myself: "wow! this kid is a crazy insanely smart math genius", or "this kid could easily be a successful politician" or "wow! this kids isn't going anywhere", "you're very passionate but not all that bright - how unfortunate". With seas kids, I meet fewer crazy geniuses, and fewer stupid people. They tend to be well balanced with a love and an ability is some sort of engineering/app science, and they tend to be well versed in some or a few social sciences and humanities.</p>

<p>please, don't compare us to econ majors...</p>

<p>but more seriously, the absolute smartest people i know are both in seas. even the rabis can't compete with them.</p>

<p>loverofcolumbia, you're not going to get into SEAS with any of those SAT scores, especially not the math. You need to retake them.</p>

<p>EC's are nothing great.</p>

<p>FE is one of the most selective majors, and you have to apply for it once you get into SEAS. You need to be more realistic. Work those SAT scores, is there anything you're passionate about? It looks like you are about cheerleading: play that up in your application.</p>

<p>"the absolute smartest people i know are both in seas. even the rabis can't compete with them."</p>

<p>we've really met?</p>

<p>thanks everyone for your input. </p>

<p>also, number 2 in the class is also applying ED to SEAS, who has a 1430 sats. he is a boy with 5 on ap calc and ap chem exams, and 800 on chem sat II. do you think this will further hinder my acceptance? </p>

<p>my close family friend is also very connected with columbia and will be writing me a letter of rec, if this helps.</p>

<p>The number 2 just destroyed your chances.</p>

<p>"620 on math 550 on critical reading 600 on writing"</p>

<p>this is a combined score of 1770, for the college and seas the 25th-75th percentile is 2090-2300, for seas it's probably more like 2130-2320. if you get in, at 1770 you might just be the lowest sat score on 2400 ever accepted into seas.</p>

<p>No chance at all.</p>

<p>To be brutally honest, u seriously need to work on those SAT's. Maybe the best thing to do is to wait and apply RD and retake the SAT. But isn't it tomorrow?</p>

<p>I'm actually just planning on retaking the ACTs, since I think its my best chance for improvement. </p>

<p>I took the SATIIs in Math II and Physics today, as is required so hopefully those will help.</p>

<p>Why not take both?</p>

<p>by the time you take november tests, it may be too late for ED decisions. I know its a different school but the Georgetown rep who came to my school advised against SAT1 November, which sometimes do not come in in time to make any difference.</p>

<p>i would recommend checking out collegededatabase.com where you can look at other applicants who applied early decision last year. a lot of them had perfect scores on 2/3 sections and were flat out rejected. Also, i read on columbia's website that applying early decision does not give you an advantage over the regular decision applicants. rather, the committee looks for the most competitive applicants in each pool. lastly, columbia rejects and defers early decision applicants. It's too bad Barnard doesn't have an engineering program.</p>

<p>oh well, i might as well try. </p>

<p>since everyone is very pessimistic about my admittance into columbia (although i truly value your opinions), what do you think my chances are at my other choices for RD?</p>

<p>"The number 2 just destroyed your chances."</p>

<p>The number 2 has a 1430 SAT score. More like he helped her chances, despite the 800 in chem</p>

<p>Still, neither of you has a very good chance. You need to redo the SAT if you want a realistic chance of getting in. Forget your school rank: your SAT's are below CU's range, and you won't get in unless you have some kind of hook which I haven't seen so far. But go ahead and try, never harmed anybody</p>

<p>What are your other school choices?</p>

<p>What will hinder your app are your low scores on the math sections of your tests. SEAS is a tough, tough program. You also don't seem to be taking AP Calc or AP Physics. Even if you somehow managed to squeak in, it would be a tough go for you. You may want to look into Barnard and take the engineering courses under their umbrella with the the goal of transferring into SEAS. You need to look for smaller engineering programs where the kids have backgrounds, test scores more like yours so that the instruction is so geared. That can get you into the right track. Engineering is a tough major anywhere and is self selecting as a result. Even then it has a very high drop rate, and kids do not tend to have high gpas in those courses. </p>

<p>It is not just the test scores, either. You don't have anything on your resume to indicate that this is a direction you are hotly pursuing. You may want to start looking for such opportunities. How do you even know you want to do this? Just saying you want to study engineering is not enough. </p>

<p>Check out Manhattan College. It does have a good engineering dept and I understand that it works with kids who want to be engineers but may not have the initial background to plunge right into the curriculum.</p>

<p>I'm taking AP calc AB this year, and took honors physics last year, as there is no AP physics at my school.
I interned for a week over the summer at my dad's friends office who is an engineer, if that helps show interest.
My other choices include Fordham, Lehigh (IBE Program), Villanova, Cornell, and Boston College.</p>

<p>bummmp? </p>

<p>also, I'm very interested in Columbia's 3-2 Cooperative Program with other schools such as Fordham and Providence. Does anyone know anything about it?</p>