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If your first statement is true, your parents are right that going to any of the schools on your list will be a waste of money (and it’s their money, remember?).
If you are tired of working hard, take a gap year. There is no point in going to a top school if you are not planning on working hard. College is much harder than HS - just so you know…</p>
<p>So you haven’t taken the ACT for real yet? The 32 was on a practice test? You can’t really plug in numbers until you have real results in your hand. And why no SAT? You’ve obviously done well with the format given your SAT II results; a lot of people advise to take both since they have different formats and people tend to do a little better on one vs. the other.</p>
<p>^I said that i would retake the test.</p>
<p>And there’s no problem with that choice. It’s just I want better than that.</p>
<p>32 is for real. And for SAT’s i’ve taken it once: 2100. I’ll give it another go on october but im counting more on my ACT’s.</p>
<p>I am willing to work hard but i need a BIG social life to counteract that hard effort.</p>
<p>Yale, Penn, Duke and Columbia are out of reach for you presently. You need at least 200 more SAT points or 3 more ACT points to be competitive and even then they will be reaches.</p>
<p>This does not even begin to address the financial issues. If your parents are not going to pay and your EFC is non-zero, you will not be able to attend even if you do get in.</p>
<p>You and your parents MUST get on the same page with this process or you are in for a world of trouble.</p>
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You need a MAJOR adjustment in your attitude. If you were my kid, I would not spend (waste) a penny on your education as long as you had that attitude.</p>
<p>Airfreshener… (1)if you go to a 4 year college and then med school – who is going to pay for med school? </p>
<p>(2) When you enter college, will qualify for need-based financial aid?</p>
<p>(3) If you don’t think you have the stats to get into a combined undergrad/med program… why do you think you would be able to get into MIT or Duke or Ivies?</p>
<p>(4) You are kidding yourself if you think you can be pre-med at a top school and have time for a “big” social life. Yes there is a big party scene at many Ivies… but the kids at those parties aren’t pre-med. Pre-med requires taking lab science courses which generally require more class + lab time than lecture courses; have a great deal of regular homework (lab reports, problem sets); and are graded on a quantitative basis, often on a curve… so no bs’ing your way through as you could in other areas— and you will have to work for a high GPA. If you want to enjoy yourself in college, I’d suggest shifting to a less intensive major… or an easier college.</p>
<p>Sorry; I thought you said you were taking the ACT this coming Saturday and that you’d retake if you needed to. My mistake :)</p>
<p>I wish people would stop suggesting ROTC for students with a money problem. The students that succeed at ROTC are the ones the want to be an officer above anything else. The ones that try it to pay for school do not succeed.</p>
<p>A 35 on the ACt’s will be doable. </p>
<p>I have seen people lower than my stats get into duke.</p>
<p>I agree with calmom that you are kidding yourself that you will have a lot of “party” time during a pre-med program. The first year might be pretty easy, but after that you will have less social time if you are going to maintain the GPA you will need to make yourself competitive for medical school admissions.</p>
<p>Personally, I think your attitude reflects how spoiled many young people are these days. If you are going to pay then you should be able to go where ever you want, if you get in. But, pitching a fit to get your way with your parents who are going to be paying is immature and very self-absorbed. </p>
<p>I also agree with soze and I wouldn’t put a dime into my child’s education if they popped the attitude you have shared with us. </p>
<p>Our agreement with our children was that we would pay for an in-state school if they kept their grades up, or the equivalent costs to a private or out-of-state if they covered the rest. Our son stayed in-state, didn’t keep his grades up and is now in the Air Force. Our daughter took advantage of a NMF offer from an out-of-state school and is paying her own way for UG. At no time was either one of our children unreasonable about their college options. We were upfront about what we would pay and that we were not willing to take on debt for their college. They respected that and made their choices based on that. And, by the way, our son regrets not keeping his grades up and is paying us back monthly for his wasted college costs.</p>
<p>Your parents DO NOT owe you a college education. It is a privilege that they are willing to give you one, even if they expect you to follow their rules.</p>
<p>wow i just saw this. I can’t believe i’ve been accused of being spoiled. Im not going to college to get myself wasted. I just want fun. Is that really TOOO much to ask? I certainly don’t want to work 24/7 like some ppl do on here. I understand maintaining GPA is important but the phrase “work hard, play hard” exists for a reason…</p>
<p>I haven’t seen anything in airfreshener’s posts to indicate he is spoiled. I don’t think it makes someone spoiled to have dreams. He never said that his parents owed him an education. He’s butting heads with his parents right now and trying to figure out what his options are. Obviously, he has to find a way to work with them and if he can’t then go it alone.</p>
<p>His parents can’t even seem to hear that he might not get into a direct med program. I don’t think he will and it would be hard to work with parents who are not seeing what the realistic options are.</p>
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<p>lol thanks for the confidence booster…</p>
<p>what about the relatively easier direct med programs? which are they?–key word is relatively (please don’t tell me that all direct med programs are hard to get into. I know that. But i want to the RELatIVE difficulty ratings for those listed on the bottom)</p>
<p>Can some1 rate these?
Brown PLME
Drexel BS/MD
Stony brook BS/MD
UMDNJ BS/MD
Northwestern HPME
Virginia commonwealth BS/MD
Northeastern ohio</p>
<p>AF, can you please answer my questions #1 and #2? Who is expected to pay for med school - you? or your parents? And do you qualify for need-based financial aid for undergrad?</p>
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<p>Sorry, but the fact is that they are. Most people are very lucky to get into even one of these. Places like UMDNJ and Stony Brook are hard because they get TONS of in-state applicants due to the tuition. Brown is hard because well it’s Brown. You are not even CLOSE to being a viable candidate for regular admission to Brown, let alone the medical program (70% of regular Brown applicants with a 2400 are rejected, and that’s not you). </p>
<p>You need a real reality check here: it’s highly unlikely that a direct med program is in your future. You CAN go to med school but you need to go to decent undergrad program, get A’s on the core pre-med courses (genchem, orgochem, bio and physics) and get a monster score on the MCAT. Thousands of students do this every year. The direct med programs are for the top elite applicants, it’s not for everybody.</p>
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<p>What’s your problem? Do you want me to boost your confidence of do you want me to tell you the truth. By the way, I’m the one who said you weren’t spoiled.</p>
<p>Do you seriously have to ask about Brown? Have you looked into this at all? They accept about 4% of the applicants who apply to their direct med program. You don’t have a snowball’s chance in hell.</p>
<p>I take back what I said. You are spoiled. The other posters saw something in your posts that I didn’t. I’m off this thread.</p>
<p>^jeez take it easy man. Did you not see the “lol” sign? Means i was joking around.</p>
<p>Anyways, I understand what you are trying to say. Thanks for the help</p>
<p>For BS/MD programs, you are not receiving the correct advise here, you should ask your questions in the Medical sections on CC or here</p>
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<p>As far as I know, the BS/MD program in Tennessee might be easier to get into. And forget about Brown and Northwestern, they are the hardest. But I am NOT very well versed in the subject.</p>