<p>well? After visiting Notre Dame recently, I realized that I have almost no chance of getting admitted. White, non-legacy, public school. okaayy. So I though I'd start this thread so we can figure out where else people are applying.</p>
<p><em>Also, please don't intimidate people into not telling the truth by hassling them if they put down Michigan or BC. It doesn't mean that they don't want to go to Notre Dame any less, only that they're exploring other options as well.</em></p>
<p>hey, i'm white, non-legacy, public school, no connections, etc and i got in... dont give up hope :)</p>
<p>oh! so you're the one who got the perfect SAT score! jk. but seriously, I don't think I have a good chance at all, which I was a little disappointed (ok, a LOT disappointed) about bc I've always really wanted to go there. But I can tell you right now that there's no way I'm gonna get a 34-35 on the ACT, which is their avg. according to the admissions office last week. So I'm living on a prayer as they say...</p>
<p>Take the SAT--son was the same as you, however, he submitted SAT scores instead of the ACT. Maybe you can score really well on those!</p>
<p>alright guys, the great thing about ND is that they actually do look at the whole package as far as admissions go. i know a lot of colleges say that, but at ND it is actually true. i have a friend who had a 34 on his ACT but was not great in a lot of other respects (i.e. not a lot of ec's and not the best class rank), and i had a 1410, white, public school, no legacy and all that jazz and i got in. the trick is to just not give up hope and to try as hard as you can to convince admissions that if they let you in, you are likely to attend. stay persistent! good luck to all of you!</p>
<p>I'm like you, white, public school, non-legacy and I'm worried about getting in too. I'm also applying to Georgetown, George Washington, U of Pennsylvania, Texas A&M, and Oklahoma U, although I'm only applying to OU, because I could go there for free. I'm still thinking about Boston College and Vanderbilt, but I'm not sure yet.</p>
<p>Ya'll need to be more optimistic. I am white, non-legacy, public school, and I got in with a 33. It isn't impossible. Write a good essay.</p>
<p>Ok, lemme put it this way. I'll be ecstatic if I get a 31 on the ACT. 33 would be a miracle, and 34 would cause them to think I'd done identity theft. Also, Page47, a 1410 is right around or slightly above the average I think, so it's not like you had a bad score going in...</p>
<p>Well to get back on the actual topic of this thread:</p>
<p>My other top choices are</p>
<p>Boston College
Duke
Wake Forest
Vandy</p>
<p>anyway
Everyone has a chance, stay optimistic.</p>
<p>Worst come to worst, you can always transfer if it doesn't work out. I had a 29 (and granted, I was rejected) but now I am an alumnus. Don't give up, it may not work out the way you have planned, but if you want it badly enough you still can make it work. Good luck and don't give up if it is the right school for you.</p>
<p>vc07--you are right about 1410 bing near average. but i think you will find that the average for white, non legacy, non athlete students is significantly higher than that.</p>
<p>like i said before, good luck to all of you. it is obviously important to have a second choice, but if notre dame is in your heart, i have to believe you have a chance.</p>
<p>haha, thanks for all the optimism guys. I'll definitely keep you posted.</p>
<p>VC08, it would help in advising you on second choices if you said what it was in particular about Notre Dame that attracted you. People choose ND for a variety of reasons. Having just been through the college selection process with my son, I'm fairly current on what many schools have to offer. However wonderful a particular school may seem, I firmly believe that there is not just one place among the U.S.'s many institutions that a person can find what they want. Admissions are somewhat of a crapshoot so you are wise to have several good choices. Best of luck and try not to stress yourself out too much.</p>
<p>Haha, actually I was kinda relived after hearing that I'm on the lower end. I know that sounds horrible, but it takes a lot of pressure off and helps me see the big picture. I've visited several schools, and I can honestly see myself at any one of them. Of course Notre Dame is my dream, but I also realize that not every dream is meant to come true. But now if I get in I'll be thrilled, kindof a "cinderella story" so to speak, given my background, etc. If not, then at least it won't be one of those "coulda, shoulda, woulda" things.</p>
<p>Just so you know, the transfer counselor told me that the "average" SAT score for transfers is around 1220 (math and CR). I was shocked, as that is dramatically lower than what one must have for freshman admission. But, they also view SAT/act Scores with much less weight when considering transfers. So, you never know!</p>
<p>I don't think I'm into the whole transfer thing right now though. I mean, obviously if I was hating my school I would do it, but right now I realize that I have a lot of other good options besides Notre Dame if worse comes to worst. And, interesting about the SAT. Perhaps they take GPA into a higher regard?</p>
<p>Ummm....white, non-legacy, awesome grades and grit but SAT and essay was probably weak, although essay may have resonated with ND because it was about what D. appreciated about the world around her, rather than an egocentric POV like what she wants or what she can offer...it is a subtle difference, but she was all about how she learned and grew from a mundane situation and how much she appreciated her teachers.</p>
<p>There are lots of good options out there, no doubt. We just want to let you know that transferring is always an option. I was one of those kids where I wasn't going to be completely happy if it wasn't ND, I just HAD to be there. That is why I say it.</p>
<p>Well, Notre Dame is my reach school, with DePauw as my fallback. I get good grades, but not spectacular (a 3.8), am ninth in my class, got decent but not terrific SAT scores (an 1870 on the new one, I plan to take it again. My writing scores were quite high, but I need to raise my math). Although I do a lot of volunteering and EC activities, I wonder as to the fact that I'm "good enough" to be a domer.</p>
<p>Here's a general run down of "the list":</p>
<p>Notre Dame (#1 choice by far)
Cornell
Boston College
UPenn
Michigan
Wake Forest
USC
Georgetown
Duke
Vandy</p>
<p>Safety:
KU
Kansas State</p>
<p>I really do hope and pray to God everyday that ND sees who am I as a person, and not just another number, ACT score, statistic. I hope my talents, strengths/weaknesses, and personality can be seen on the application.</p>