Name your top 8 for each of the following three categories: Ivies, non-ivy private,..

College Search & Selection
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<p>Coolbreeze,</p>

<p>Didn’t Michigan reject you?</p>

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<p>Yes, but this is not convenient data for the OP, who is attempting to inflate the prominence of “LAC powerhouses Williams and Amherst.”</p>

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<p>I didn’t use the aforementioned link as my reference. In 2010, both Williams and Amherst were fared very well by USNews (National LACs’ Top 2 spots), Forbes ( Best College Rankings’ Number 1 and 3), and Princeton Review (Best Value Privates’ top 10). Upon further examining their reputation, SATs, and ratios of yield to Percentage of Acceptantance, I believe Williams and Amherst should be included in the top 8. The inclusion of these two colleges was based on my evaluation results not by personal preference.</p>

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<p>Prestige wise among the HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS of America (Since most of the people here on CC are premature high school students who have zero idea of what they’re talking about):
[Best</a> Colleges - Education - US News](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/national-counselor-rank]Best”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/national-counselor-rank)</p>

<p>Ivies:
Harvard=Princeton=Yale
Brown=Columbia=Cornell
Dartmouth
UPenn</p>

<p>Non-Ivies:
Stanford=MIT
Georgetown=JHU
Duke
Caltech=Northwestern
UChicago</p>

<p>Public:
Berkeley
GeorgiaTech=UMich=UNC Chapel Hill</p>

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<p>Give me a break. First, modelingLiao/MrPrince, I’m having a hard time believing you are different people based on your writing styles, posts that incessantly fixate on the “prestige” of the top 15-16 private universities, and posting times. (I wonder if CC could confirm this through an ip check?) Second, your informal survey yielded 17 “evaluation results” for non-ivy privates: </p>

<p>MIT (14)
Chicago (14)
Cal Tech (13)
Stanford (12)
Duke (11)
WUSTL (10)
JHU (10)
Northwestern (9)
Williams (5)
Amherst (5)</p>

<p>Anything you extrapolate from these results is pure conjecture. Your attempt to fudge the numbers by citing Forbes and the High School Counselor Rankings is absurd.</p>

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<p>MrPrince, Gatsby11 mixed up my identity with yours. Maybe Gatsby11 is confused by my oriental thinking/writing styles. </p>

<p>Gatsby11, as I mentioned on post #43, based on their ratios of Percentage of Acceptant to yield, reputation, and SAT, I believe Williams and Amherst should be included in the top 8. Sixteen informal survey results (at the time of my 1st summary was posted) were used for screening process in order to obtain the information regarding which schools worth my attention to examine further. Everything I extrapolate from these results is NOT from pure conjecture but based on data.</p>

<p>Upon completing screening, my conclusions were based on the following:</p>

<p>GPA, SATs, and Class Rank:
See CollegeData.com</p>

<p>Ratios of Percentage of Acceptant to Yield:
See attached table (Data source from NY Times 2010).</p>

<p>Reputation:
In 2010, both Williams and Amherst were fared very well by USNews (National LACs’ Top 2 spots), Forbes (Best College Rankings’ Number 1 and 3), and Princeton Review (Best Value Privates’ top 10) </p>

<pre><code>Institution Admit Rate Total Admits Who Enrolled (Yield) Yield/Admitted Rate
Princeton (N.J.) 8% N/A N/A
Yale (Conn.) 7% N/A N/A
</code></pre>

<p>1 Harvard (Mass.) 7% 76% 10.86
2 Stanford (Calif.) 7% 72% 10.29
3 Cooper Union (N.Y.) 8% 76% 9.50
4 Juilliard (N.Y.) 8% 70% 8.75
5 Columbia (N.Y.) 9% 58% 6.44
6 M.I.T. (Mass.) 10% 64% 6.40
7 Brown (R.I.) 9% 53% 5.89
8 U. of Pennsylvania 14% 63% 4.50
9 Dartmouth (N.H.) 12% 53% 4.42
10 California Institute of Technology 13% 37% 2.85
11 Pomona (Calif.) 15% 41% 2.73
12 Cornell (N.Y.) 18% 49% 2.72
13 Amherst (Mass.) 15% 40% 2.67
14 Duke (N.C.) 16% 42% 2.63
15 Claremont McKenna (Calif.) 17% 43% 2.53
16 Fashion Institute of Technology (N.Y.) 30% 75% 2.50
17 Swarthmore (Pa.) 16% 40% 2.50
18 Middlebury (Vt.) 17% 42% 2.47
19 Williams (Mass.) 19% 45% 2.37
20 Vanderbilt (Tenn.) 18% 41% 2.28
21 Georgetown (D.C.) 20% 44% 2.20
22 Bowdoin (Me.) 20% 43% 2.15
23 U. of Chicago 19% 39% 2.05
24 Washington & Lee (Va.) 19% 38% 2.00
25 Rice (Tex.) 21% 36% 1.71
26 U.N.C., Chapel Hill 32% 54% 1.69
27 Barnard (N.Y.) 28% 46% 1.64
28 Wesleyan (Conn.) 21% 34% 1.62
29 U.C.L.A. 23% 37% 1.61
30 U.C., Berkeley 26% 41% 1.58
31 Johns Hopkins (Md.) 21% 33% 1.57
32 Vassar (N.Y.) 24% 37% 1.54
33 Tufts (Mass.) 24% 36% 1.50
34 Washington U. in St. Louis 21% 31% 1.48
35 U. of Virginia 32% 46% 1.44
36 Northwestern (Ill.) 23% 33% 1.43
37 U. of Southern California 24% 33% 1.38
38 Davidson (N.C.) 30% 41% 1.37
39 Bucknell (Pa.) 31% 42% 1.35
40 U. of Florida 42% 56% 1.33
41 George Washington (D.C.) 31% 37% 1.19
42 New York University 30% 35% 1.17
43 Hamilton (N.Y.) 29% 33% 1.14
44 Bates (Me.) 31% 35% 1.13
45 Emory (Ga.) 29% 31% 1.07
46 Pepperdine (Calif.) 30% 31% 1.03
47 Colgate (N.Y.) 33% 34% 1.03
48 Colby (Me.) 34% 34% 1.00
49 Connecticut College 32% 30% 0.94
50 Carnegie Mellon (Pa.) 33% 30% 0.91</p>

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<p>IVY
Harvard=Yale=Princeton
Columbia=Dartmouth=UPenn
Brown
Cornell</p>

<p>NONIVY
Stanford=MIT
Caltech=Chicago=Amherst=Williams=Swarthmore
Georgetown=Middlebury=Wellesley=Bowdoin=Pomona=Duke=Northwestern=WashU
Rice=Emory=Vanderbilt
Tufts=USC=Wake Forest=McGill</p>

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<p><<<tufts=usc=wake forest=“McGill”>>> </tufts=usc=wake></p>

<p>Tufts=Wash U.=Northwestern=Rice (in sensibiilty and profile of applicant), and you can throw Emory into the mix, too.</p>

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<p>@modelingLiao, my apologies; I may have mistaken your identity. After your screening process and objective extrapolations, you’ve concluded that these are the top non-ivy private universities:</p>

<ol>
<li>Stanford (Calif.) 7% 72% 10.29</li>
<li>M.I.T. (Mass.) 10% 64% 6.40</li>
<li>California Institute of Technology 13% 37% 2.85</li>
<li>Amherst (Mass.) 15% 40% 2.67</li>
<li>Duke (N.C.) 16% 42% 2.63</li>
<li>Williams (Mass.) 19% 45% 2.37</li>
<li>U. of Chicago 19% 39% 2.05</li>
<li>Johns Hopkins (Md.) 21% 33% 1.57</li>
<li>Washington U. in St. Louis 21% 31% 1.48</li>
<li>Northwestern (Ill.) 23% 33% 1.43</li>
</ol>

<p>I don’t agree with your methodology or process, but this seems like a reasonable list.</p>

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<p>So yeah, I think its rather safe to say that non-Ivy super powers are
MIT = Stanford
Caltech
Duke = UChicago
Georgetown = Williams = Amherst</p>

<p>There, we have 8. These 8 universities rival the Ivy in prestige easily.</p>

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<p>Ivy:
Harvard
Yale=Princeton=Columbia=Brown=Dartmouth=Cornell</p>

<p>Nonivy:
Stanford=MIT=Caltech=Duke=Amherst=Williams=Swarthmore=Pomona</p>

<p>Congratulations if you get into any one of them.</p>

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<p>How to interpret the Ratio of Yield (Total Admits Who Enrolled) to Percentage of Acceptance (Admit Rate) (see table on my previous post at #46)? </p>

<p>The former is students’ selection for an institute. The greater the number is; the more desire the accepted students would like to attend an institute. The later is an institute’s selection for all students. The smaller the number is; the higher degrees of difficulty it is to get in. Assuming Yield and Percentage of Acceptance are linear to Student Selectivity, the ratio between them (Yield to Percentage of Acceptance) would be a good evaluation criterion. The higher the ratio is, the more selective the institute is.</p>

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<p>The Yield/Acceptance Ratio seems like a good metric of perceived quality. Other metrics don’t necessarily take into account that for certain schools and majors, GPA, SATs, and Class Rank may not be as important. For Performing/Visual arts schools such as Julliard, Curtis, Cooper Union and RISD, I would imagine that it’s generally all about the talent. These are four excellent schools that are usually overlooked.</p>

<p>Another set of schools that would be helped by the metric would be the military academies (West Point, Annapolis and USAF Academy) where a high level of physical fitness along with congressional nominations are required. I’m pretty sure that acceptance rates are pretty low and yields are pretty high for those institutions as well.</p>

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<p>I feel like Pomona and UCLA rarely receive the rankings they deserve.</p>

<p>Ivy:

  1. Harvard
  2. Yale
  3. Princeton
  4. UPenn
  5. Columbia
  6. Cornell
  7. Dartmouth
  8. Brown</p>

<p>Non-Ivy:

  1. Stanford
  2. Caltech
  3. MIT
    4. Pomona
  4. Amherst
  5. Duke
  6. Claremont McKenna
  7. Williams</p>

<p>Public:
1. UCLA
2. Berkeley
3. Michigan
4. UNC
5. UVA
6. UC San Diego
7. Penn State
8. Texas</p>

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<p>Nonsense. Acceptance rate is a measure of popularity. For private research universities, “difficulty of getting in” or “selectivity” must also take into account average SATs, GPA, class rank, etc.</p>

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<p>Ivy:

  1. Harvard = Princeton
  2. Yale
  3. Brown = Columbia
  4. UPenn = Cornell</p>
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<p>Gatsby11, as I mentioned on post #46, upon completing screening, my conclusions were based on GPA, SATs, and Class Rank, Ratios of Percentage of Acceptant to Yield, and Reputation. Yield is a measure of popularity instead of acceptance rate. Acceptance rate is a measure of “difficulty of getting in”. Selectivity is a function of yield, acceptance rate, SATs, GPA, class rank, etc.</p>

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<p>Ivy:
Yale
Brown
Princeton
Harvard
Dartmouth
Penn
Columbia
Cornell</p>

<p>Non-Ivy Private:
Smith
Wellesley
Kenyon
Carleton
Swarthmore
Mt. Holyoke
Oberlin
Grinnell</p>

<p>Public:
Binghamton
UVermont
Pitt
Tulane
UT Austin
UNC Chapel Hill
UNC Asheville
UNH</p>

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<p>cobollentin, Tulane is private.</p>

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<p>After a certain point, acceptance rates shouldn’t be be taken too seriously. I’m sure some of the more famous schools have inflated acceptance rates because a higher percentage of applicants are unqualified. Any school with around a 20% rate is extremely hard to get into (with a few exceptions). I think that’s a rather silly way to go about choosing schools.</p>