<p>I had an odd question trying to figure out from what pool does the NAPS invitees come from. Are NAPS invitees a part of the 1900 triple qualified with nominations? Or do NAPS invitees have nominations but not triple qualified? If 1900 are triple qualified with a nomination and 1500 are offered appointments. Do the other 300 get an invitation to NAPS?</p>
<p>Thanks for clearing up my confusion.</p>
<p>I don't think so. My son's @ NAPS this year, and his classmates seem to be ~ 1/3 prior enlisted, 1/3 recruited athletes who need extra academic prep, and 1/3 candidates who have something to recommend them but don't fit the perfect plebe profile. He's never mentioned whether peers were triple Q'd. I'll ask him.</p>
<p>socaldreamers, I have looked at the numbers many times trying to figure out this question. I came to the conclusion that out of the 1500 offered appointments includes NAPS/Foundation, and only 1220 (approx) enter directly into USNA. So out of the 1900 or so triple qualified and with a nom, four hundered get nothing. As far as nominations and qualifications for NAPS, I do not know, and the only way to figure out that is to ask people who went to NAPS.</p>
<p>Drbones - the 1500 are appointments to USNA - essentially they 'overbook' as they expect a certain percentage to decline to make up the final class of 1200 to 1250. So I think we all still have the same question - where do the Napsters come from? Or at least the 1/3 that are not athletes and are not prior enlisted...</p>
<p>My son @ NAPS says "a few people have told me they were triple Q'd" but not consistently he doesn't think "everyone" is. He mentions, for example, a fellow NAPSter who is tri-lingual w/ Eastern Bloc languages but below GPA and SAT spec's. It seems to me, as an uninformed bystander, that some candidates have a mysterious "something" that's desirable to the Academy who are offered the NAPS option.</p>
<p>I forgot to mention -- add to the numbers mystery that a portion of the NAPSters are Coast Guard Academy candidates.</p>
<p>Those are noted among USNA stats in various places. Specific needs of the USN ... minority reps, women, top athletes, folks who can speak Arabic, etc. Not mysterious at all, it seems to me.</p>
<p>Is NAPS a one year school? And how many are in the class?</p>
<p>there are about 200 or so Napsters that are headed to the USNA each year- you can find the exact number for each class on the admissions profile posted by the USNA each august.</p>
<p>NAPS, like the foundation program, is a one-year program. You take a full load of classes, including calc, chem, english lit, etc......and if at NAPS, some military instruction as well. You must finish with a "2.0-AND-GO" to get to I-Day- but when you do, you will have 200+ other Napsters with you to get you through plebe summer and beyond!</p>
<p>There are about 30 kids a year who are CGA candidates. </p>
<p>My thinking is the triple-Q's are generally not offered slots at NAPS.</p>
<p>That leads to another question. What is the foundation program?..how many students are there?...where is it?...and do the NAPS and foundation students have to reseek nominations? (Several q's actually)</p>
<p>My son's friend was offered NAPS and they are both wondering if he will have to reapply for nomination. I don't know if he got a nom this year.</p>
<p>If you are not selected for a direct appointment to the Naval Academy, the Academys admissions board automatically considers you for selection to the Naval Academy Preparatory School (NAPS) and/or considers you for recommendation for a Naval Academy Foundation preparatory school program. A separate application for either of these preparatory programs is not necessary.</p>
<p>If you are notified of your selection to either NAPS or the Naval Academy Foundation, you should continue to pursue your medical qualification and complete the steps for an official nomination.</p>
<p>The United States Naval Academy Foundation, Inc., assists promising candidates who are not appointed in their first try for admission. This nonprofit organization awards a limited number of sponsorships for post-high school preparatory studies to enhance those candidates qualifications for admission. Visit the Foundations webpage for more information: <a href="http://www.usna.com%5B/url%5D">www.usna.com</a>.</p>
<p>The Foundation provides partial scholarships for those candidates whom it sponsors, but families of applicants are expected to contribute within their means. Students attending prep school under the sponsorship of the Foundation must obtain a nomination in order to receive an appointment to the academy.</p>
<p>Sealion, NAPSters do have to reapply for a nomination from a MOC.</p>
<p>1500 are offered direct appointments to USNA how do they always end up with the number 1220 (or their desired number). I do not think that three hundred people turned down the academy...with this said I think that the 1500 number includes NAPS, I hope I am wrong but the way I am thinking the numbers make sense.</p>
<p>1510 offers of admission - 1210 admitted @ USNA (including 300 from last years NAPS/Foundation) = 3oo (NAPS/Foundation that will enter the following year)
If these number hold any truth only about 900 annually get a direct appointment.</p>
<p>I hope these numbers are wrong.</p>
<p>In addition, Bones, a number of plebes come in from the fleet. I don't know if they go to NAPS or the foundation first. I don't think so, tho. </p>
<p>So it's less than 900, even. </p>
<p>At this point someone usually quotes Mark Twain. </p>
<p>Last year I just spectated the nom and appointment process. This year my son is competitive. In a completely anecdotal study I witnessed that most of those who desperately wanted to attend USNA were appointed. The ones who were knocked out most often had medical issues.</p>
<p>It was a looooooong wait and pretty tough for some, tho. Even harder when there were candidates here who speculated endlessly about what to bring and had months to choose between multiple Academy offers.</p>
<p>But there was actually a man whose son received his appointment maybe two weeks before I day.</p>
<p>If you get a nom and are 3Q you'll have a good shot. "That which does not kill you makes you stronger."</p>
<p>drbones:
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1510 offers of admission - 1210 admitted @ USNA (including 300 from last years NAPS/Foundation) = 3oo (NAPS/Foundation that will enter the following year)
If these number hold any truth only about 900 annually get a direct appointment.
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<p>Class of 2009:</p>
<p>Offers of Admission: 1,503</p>
<p>Admitted: 1,220</p>
<p>Class of 2010:</p>
<p>Offers of Admission: 1,510</p>
<p>Admitted: 1,215</p>
<p>The difference between the offers of admission and those admitted is attributed to declined offers. All colleges and universities have a higher number of offers for admission than the number actually admitted knowing that they will never have a 100 percent acceptance rate. The Naval Academy has an acceptance rate of approximately 80 percent. As offers are declined, the admissions office will continue to make offers of admission until the class is brought to its desired end strength. That is why some candidates on the waiting list do not receive an appointment until just before I-Day.</p>
<p>Some candidates turn down appointments to USNA to pursue other opportunities like USAFA, Harvard, or Stanford.</p>
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What is the foundation program?..how many students are there?...where is it?...and do the NAPS and foundation students have to reseek nominations?
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<p>To add to post #12 by GreatAmerican, about 60-80 candidates are selected for foundation sponsorship, assigned to one of 24 schools, ranging from private high schools that offer a PG year, to military institutes, to junior colleges. If selected, and if you opt to attend, you give your top 3 choices of where you want to attend, from which you are assigned based on that school's admission criteria. </p>
<p>There are reasons why one school might be better suited than others.....</p>
<ol>
<li><p>Financial: military schools can run as low as 8,000/yr while private boarding schools offering a PG year run as high as 34K....while some scholarship money is available, it is usually need-based with the expectation that parents pick up a bulk, if not all, of the tab. </p></li>
<li><p>Sports and the NCAA: If you are planning to participate in D-1 sports at the USNA, then that just about rules out choosing from the junior colleges on the list as continuing with your sport while there would eat up a year of NCAA eligiblility.....</p></li>
<li><p>Maturation: then there is the "maturing" factor.... "far enough away so that they can't bring home the laundry"..... </p></li>
<li><p>Athletic Considerations: athletes, while limited to 20% of the foundation sponsorships offered, might be "grouped" at a particular school that can offer that program on a competetive yet PG level....</p></li>
</ol>
<p>The schools themselves are located all over...from NEw Mexico to PA to CT, NY, MA, NH, ohio? (thinking western reserve).... while they shift a bit from year to year, the foundation has long-standing relationships with many of these schools and the list stays pretty consistant around 24....depending on numbers, not every school will get a foundation kid each year, while some schools will get several....</p>
<p>As for a nomination, you will need to reapply-and get- a nomination, however this is a bit easier with foundation sponsorship or NAPs behind you....just the fact that you are willing to attend an extra year of study to gain admission to the USNA is a huge and tangible demonstration of how motivated and committed you really are.....especially if you are turning down other viable offers in the process!</p>
<p>Lastly, keep in mind that, whether its NAPS or foundation, you will need to do well academically (minimum 2.0 at NAPS and no Charlies-Deltas or Foxtrots in any classes at foundation)....you will be expected to carry a full load, including chemistry, calculus and english lit, you will need to maintain a clean record (now is not the time to get into any trouble)....and you will need to get a good recommendation from the school (who has an established rapport with the USNA-and a reputation they must maintain, which means a very honest recommendation, postive OR negative....it is what it is). Lastly, you will need to stay healthy....meaning you report for I-Day physically fit and free of injury....</p>
<p>worth it? if USNA is what you want, most definately yes. A risk? some might consider it a risky move. In the end it is up to you......you will be told that you "have a seat in the upcoming class that is yours to lose"...... so going into either program with the right attitude is absolutely key and soley in your control....</p>
<p>ps...for parents....this is something your child will need to want for themselves. Pushing them into either one of these programs can- and does- backfire - in a huge way for those that put in a lack-luster effort. Encourage, support, mentor, suggest.....but let the final decision be theirs!</p>
<p>Best of luck!</p>
<p>Sealion, the majority of plebes who come from the fleet do enter via NAPS. I think that's actually the genesis of the NAPS program -- to prep/refresh former enlisted for USNA academics. If memory serves, the number of NAPSters entering the Academy is around 200 most years (from an entering NAPS class of just under 300, some of whom are Coast Guard, some who wash out, and some who elect not to continue on). My son says there's a lot of talk about a much-decorated prior enlisted who was direct admitted for the class of 2011 -- he's the exception to the NAPS rule.</p>
<p>While NAPS was intended for enlisted to brush up academically for USNA admission, not all coming from the fleet automatically go through NAPS....some will, while others have the academic background to support a direct appointment. </p>
<p>Those coming from the fleet have a huge advantage in "BTDT"..... there is even a proud member of the Class of 2010 with a Purple Heart pinned on his chest.... and you can bet that warrents tons of respect from the upperclassmen!</p>