<p>my my i must say maybe if u get into SSTP, my wishes to u, u might have prettier beaches in Fl that in washington</p>
<p>Yeah simfish you can't just go around blaming affirmative action everytime you get rejected. Sure, being asian is a big disadvantage in these programs but lots of people face disadvantages and you just have to learn to overcome them. Unfortunately, you seem to lack this emotional and social immaturity. I think you will be in for a rude awakening when you finally open your eyes and realize there is more to life than SAT scores and grades. Hopefully, you will learn this before you go to UW, because if you think you can go to UW with your huge ego then you better run fast because the students are going to be at least three or more years older than you and I can guarantee they aren't going to tolerate your pompous behavior.</p>
<p>PS, remember when you told me I wasn't good enough for SHARP? Well, guess what? I LOVE proving people wrong! You tell me I'm not good enough for something and I work my asss off to overcome my "disadvantages." I don't just sit there blaming affirmative action and I don't immediately start dissing programs because they rejected me, the "best student ever."</p>
<p>"Unfortunately, you seem to lack this emotional and social immaturity." lol... is that sentence wrong?</p>
<p>o my bad, ur asian too. Guess that puts u in the same boat as us. Stop crying. Use this. <a href="http://www.homepharmacy.com.au/images/photos/288535.jpg%5B/url%5D">http://www.homepharmacy.com.au/images/photos/288535.jpg</a>
No More Tears</p>
<p>Oh thanks! Next time i write an essay, you can proof read it for me...*****</p>
<p>Yeah, I don't think it was affirmative action that kept you out simfish. I got in and I'm a white male with a middle class economic background. What it seems they look for most, and I'm sure others can attest to this, is an extreme passion for the aerospace-related sciences. They don't want the kids who just have the top stats but not the passion because they feel those kids probably won't put their heart into the program like someone with lower stats but stronger interests will. Looking at some your earlier posts, the passion for aerospace stuff is one big area that doesn't show up. For the record, I've been an aerospace nut all my life, going to air shows and museums and competing in rocket and robotics and science olympiad competitions, doing very well in many of them. I also think my essay was quirky enough to get noticed, although it didn't really have anything to do with aerospace.</p>
<p>Tell me:</p>
<p>Did I indicate anywhere that I thought I was good enough to get in? Did I ever say that I deserved to get in? I never explicitly said it and as long as I didn't explicitly say it don't blame me. </p>
<p>In my own words:</p>
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I believe that my rejection was just - even if NASA SHARP selected the top with the best stats and most prestigious awards, i would still have been rejected.
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<p>And I know my stats aren't enough to get me in. I don't have any awards that matter other than AIME qualification, which doesn't say much by itself. </p>
<p>Did I make an ad hominem attack on NASA SHARP?
Did I diss SSP after it rejected me? Or Caltech YESS? </p>
<p>So what was my point in saying what I said? NASA SHARP isn't necessarily a program that accepts people with the best stats. Its admissions syustem is like an Ivy League, not like Caltech which has a purely meritocratic system. DO I disagree with the system? Yes, I do. But the only thing I said was that NASA SHARP is arbitrary (arbitrary means that humans determine it) and then it triggered all of these replies.</p>
<p>My comment was...</p>
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o0CrazyGlue0o - NASA SHARP tends to be a bit arbitrary in its decisions - there tends to be a wide variety of people who are accepted and some very top applicants are rejected. There isn't a set formula in its admissions so you really can only do what you enjoy and prepre for alternatives.
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<p>As for a wide variety of people who got in - a NASA SHARP alumni also said that. Same with Ivies. Harvard rejected people with very high SAT scores in favor of people with low SAT scores.</p>
<p>Was there any explicit dissing of NASA SHARP? Did I say anything like NASA SHARP is crap, NASA SHARP sucks? I don't think there was any explicit mentioning. One could probably infer a negative attitude but please do not assume something before you take it too seriously. If you want to flame me, point out an ad hominem argument that I explicitly mentioned. I would have said the same for Ivy League admissions too.</p>
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First of all, I must mention that I am fervently against affirmative action and am an egalitarian, so I have biased views on this.
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<p>Did I blame my rejection on affirmative action? Not explicitly. I mentioned my dislike for affirmative action because it's important for someone to know another's bias when considering arguments. It's revealing my own bias. </p>
<p>I later mentioned that these summer programs may reject exceptional applicants in favor of not-so-good applicants to help minorities adapt. It was a hypothesis, not an attack on NASA SHARP. I discussed this with my mother, who agreed on the same conclusion. </p>
<p>Pojnt is: every summer program has a different purpose and the purpose of NASA SHARP is to encourage minority participation in the sciences. Thus, recruiting very strong applicants like zogoto may not help them fulfill their goals. But recruiting non-URMs may help them at least comply with the law.</p>
<p>Caltech=no social life
no social life=simfish
therefore, Caltech=simfish
though sadly, they rejected u
i mean im sure most ppl on CC are not illogical enuf to directly say "wow u got into a program that sucks" u imply it more than it needs to be heard
simfish might actually feel popular for once, he gets this number of replies
u know what, its thursday, i dont ahve school tomorow, im not wasting time here to criticize ur terribly egocentric personality (even though it stinks to think that highly of urself, u never will know how much you truly suck til u hit rock bottom or even lower)</p>
<p>Honestly, I think that some of what simfish says can hold some truth to it. None of us can say for sure what NASA Sharp wants in an applicant - perhaps they do use affirmative action at least to some extent, we really don't know. None of us can say for sure what they really want in applicants. And it's no secret that there do seem to be a higher proportion of underrepresented minorities in the ranks of the NASA Sharp alumni. I don't doubt, however, that the applicants who were accepted totally deserved to be in the program.</p>
<p>But in the future, simfish, you best be careful with what you say and how you say it. It did seem like you were implying that you were rejected just because of your non-URM status.</p>
<p>I think these personal attacks should stop. Yes?</p>
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Caltech=no social life
no social life=simfish
therefore, Caltech=simfish
though sadly, they rejected u
i mean im sure most ppl on CC are not illogical enuf to directly say "wow u got into a program that sucks" u imply it more than it needs to be heard
simfish might actually feel popular for once, he gets this number of replies
u know what, its thursday, i dont ahve school tomorow, im not wasting time here to criticize ur terribly egocentric personality (even though it stinks to think that highly of urself, u never will know how much you truly suck til u hit rock bottom or even lower)
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<p>It wasn't Caltech that rejected me, it was Caltech YESS. While YESS is sponsered by Caltech, its admissions is completely different than Caltech in that it also favors minorities. I applied to it because at that time, I did not know of very many other summer programs. I may not agree with its philosophy but have not made any ad hominem attacks against it either.</p>
<p>Please don't make ad hominem arguments - attack my own arguments instead. Did I ever indicate that I was thought so highly of myself - anywhere? Did I ever say that I deserved to get into NASA SHARP? I might not be that fond of the program (and am entitled to my own opinion) but at least I'm not making any ad hominem attacks on SHARP.</p>
<p>Never ever make an ad hominem attack on someone, anywhere. I am refraining from ad hominem arguments, as you may see. It's pointless and only makes the attacker look like a fool.</p>
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But in the future, simfish, you best be careful with what you say and how you say it. It did seem like you were implying that you were rejected just because of your non-URM status.
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<p>Yes, probably. Sometimes I make comments without realizing that people might be hurt by them although I really should try to not instill emotions into my comments. Thanks for your comments.</p>
<p>yes so just let me general my comments. people who have extremely big egos (not to mention any names) will suffer the great consequences of failure because they will never be able to coop and accept that they are not the center and will keep denying the fact (not to mention any SNs but people whos been accusing different programs of different things because of rejection). so in other words of above commenter (my analysis) keeping one's mouth shut doesnt hurt most of the time. lalala can we stop blaming or not blame affirmative action for anything and just do everything just as we would without it and just hope for the best in life?</p>
<p>sweetie i got rejected from YESS too. i know. its just faster. im just saying u cant survive any other freakin campus cuz everywhere else is too normal. simfish, i know i will continue it might be somewhat advisable to stop cuz i can go on about u and urself.</p>
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yes so just let me general my comments. people who have extremely big egos (not to mention any names) will suffer the great consequences of failure because they will never be able to coop and accept that they are not the center and will keep denying the fact (not to mention any SNs but people whos been accusing different programs of different things because of rejection). so in other words of above commenter (my analysis) keeping one's mouth shut doesnt hurt most of the time. lalala can we stop blaming or not blame affirmative action for anything and just do everything just as we would without it and just hope for the best in life?
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<p>So, if you are not referring to me, disregard my comments.</p>
<p>On the other hand, if you are referring to me...</p>
<p>What I told CrazyGlue was that NASA SHARP admissions does not have a formula, or in other words, it practices arbitrary admissions, much like Harvard and unlike Caltech or big state schools. I did not accuse anyone or anything for anything. And I never blamed affirmative action for anything, I only said I was against it.</p>
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sweetie i got rejected from YESS too. i know. its just faster. im just saying u cant survive any other freakin campus cuz everywhere else is too normal. simfish, i know i will continue it might be somewhat advisable to stop cuz i can go on about u and urself.
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<p>Marie Curie survived the University of Paris and had no social life.
Isaac Newton survived Oxford even though he had no social life.</p>
<p>Even on a normal campus without a social life, I can survive. All I need is food, water, shelter, and a computer.</p>
<p>Yeah, fish you really should listen to the advice everybody is giving you. There is a reason that early entrance programs are so rare. the chances of a high schooler being completely ready for college are extremely low. Most people recognize this and have told you on CC, especially because you find a way to write about how you are going to UW next year in every single post, no matter what the post is acutally about. However, you are too oblivious to the real world. You imply in your pompous posts that you are better than everybody else. Basically, if you stopped having such a huge ego you wouldn't have to deal with all of this right now. Go have some fun; play video games, interact with other people, go see a movie, etc. and stop talking about how much better you are and why SHARP is horrible because you didn't get accepted.</p>
<p>dude, just stop talking, please. no one cares about what you have to say.</p>
<p>Sure, this is an internet forum, but anonymity doesn't give anyone the right to attack people personally to such a degree. What he said was wrong, and certainly somewhat offensive. Doesn't mean you have to attack him as a person.</p>
<p>Can we be mature and get over this?</p>
<p>Simfish, te tacere et ex hac disceptatione discedere oportet, nam, repulsus a NASA, ad hac non pertines. Si vere amor tui non nimis ingens est, abi nunc, aut te iterum ridebo.</p>
<p>Now can we get alone? You're not helping by continually defending yourself. <em>points at thread title</em> I fail to see the relevancy of doing so.</p>
<p>"Marie Curie survived the University of Paris and had no social life.
Isaac Newton survived Oxford even though he had no social life.</p>
<p>Even on a normal campus without a social life, I can survive. All I need is food, water, shelter, and a computer."</p>
<p>That was a long time ago, fish. In our day and age, it is important to be able to interact socially with people. It does not matter how smart you may think you are, if you can't work with others you're screwed.</p>
<p>This is probably a really bad time to ask this, but because I want to begin thinking and gathering information about summer programs that I would like to attempt to enroll in in the future, what is NASA Sharp's typical acceptance rate?</p>
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Most people recognize this and have told you on CC, especially because you find a way to write about how you are going to UW next year in every single post, no matter what the post is acutally about.
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<p>Conduct a search on my previous posts. How many of my posts contain references to going to college early? A few, but not even a majority. Please research your arguments before using them.</p>
<p>Furthermore, most people told me not to go to college early so that I could have a shot to Caltech/MIT, but not necessarily because going to college early ruins a person's life.</p>
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You imply in your pompous posts that you are better than everybody else. Basically, if you stopped having such a huge ego you wouldn't have to deal with all of this right now. Go have some fun; play video games, interact with other people, go see a movie, etc. and stop talking about how much better you are and why SHARP is horrible because you didn't get accepted.
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<p>Please cite examples of where I show evidence of being pompous before accusing me of being so pompous..</p>
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This is probably a really bad time to ask this, but because I want to begin thinking and gathering information about summer programs that I would like to attempt to enroll in in the future, what is NASA Sharp's typical acceptance rate?
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<p>10%</p>
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PS, remember when you told me I wasn't good enough for SHARP? Well, guess what? I LOVE proving people wrong! You tell me I'm not good enough for something and I work my asss off to overcome my "disadvantages." I don't just sit there blaming affirmative action and I don't immediately start dissing programs because they rejected me, the "best student ever."/
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<p>I did not say that you weren't good enough for SHARP, I think I said that your chances to SHARP may not be high. It was my opinion and you could have disregarded it, even though it may have been offensive (and excuse me but sometimes I say offensive things without realizing that they're offensive).</p>
<p>Also - I never said I was the best student ever, anywhere. I used zogoto, not myself, as an example.</p>