Here is the data for 2016. It looks like Walton had 16 and Wheeler had 17.
Looking like GAâs score will be higher than 216. That said, there is a dramatic difference between the averages of the top two scoring high schools. Last year the they seem to split the NMs by 2/1 but this year it looks like the difference will be 3/1 Waltonâs favor. This does seem to indicate the numbers will stay stable around a 218 cutoff.
@micgeaux Then, thatâs even worse. All the more reason the cutoff for GA will be higher. If Walton had only 16 NMSFs last year, then that means SI score of 216.6 is too low to be the cutoff SI score for GA. The cutoff for GA could be 219 or 220 even.
@Pickmen I respectfully disagree with your conclusion because Waltonâs stat was based on 600 students while the other schoolâs stat was based on only 140 students or so. Maybe it would be best to add up the numbers of NMSFs for BOTH schools and whatever.
Iâm no stats person, but the numbers seem really high. As @Pickmen pointed out Waltonâs performance over the other schoolâs is significantly better. And almost 20% of their test takers averaged 1450? While the mean is 1207. Isnât that really skewed at the top end???
I agree, @websensation - I was predicting a 1-2 point increase in MN so about 216, could be as high as 218 but thatâs unlikely. However, I donât have any real data yet to determine whether this makes sense. @mnpapa29 do you know of any data - anecdotal or otherwise, for any of the school districts in MN?
@micgeaux Only 145 students from Wheeler school, comprising only 37% for some reason, took NEW PSAT, so Wheeler stats is not reliable. But 601 students (comprising 98% of students) took NEW PSAT. You have to use Waltonâs stats because itâs more representative of actual Juniors in GA who took NEW PSAT.
@pickmen with post #948.
I believe you got your source. If itâs possible can you provide the link.
@DoyleB with post#949.
Congratulation to the two HS you mentioned
In my HS, there are 8 students (Asian/Indian descendants), going to KD Prep since 8th grade. But none of them pass 1370. And only one (considered to be 2nd rank my grade) scored 1380
@Mamelot I am literally the last person to ask. Our kids are homeschooled and although our daughter does take two classes at the local high school, we are not well connected. My plan is to assume that our daughter didnât make the cutoff and then hopefully we can be surprised in September.
@websensation I donât understand. I am using Walton data. 98% of juniors of 601 took the test. The average was 1207. Of those 601, the average score of 100 of those students was 1453. Did I say that wrong?
Just make sure sheâs ready to take the SAT in Oct/Nov, @mnpapa29. With a 221 sheâs looking pretty good for NM, IMHO.
So far, CA1543âs data was most helpful in giving actual stat based insight into what cutoffs will be. This lends credence to an argument that mid high scoring states will be very high.
100 of the 601 juniors is 17% of the Walton kids with a mean score of 1453, compared to an average of 1207 for all 601 testtakers.
@micgeaux 601 students comprised 98% of ALL students at Walton, and 1453 was the MEAN (not AVERAGE) score of TOP 100 out of 601 students at Walton.
I have not really looked much at the numbers. That said, I donât even think Walton is a good reference for stats. I grew up in that area, mom teaches in that area, and I am in the process of researching as we are moving back. Walton is a top school with a high number of over achievers. They certainly, in my opinion, donât represent a normal, average school.
@websensation no problem. I was just pointing out the dramatic difference between the averages. But if one school only has 140 kids and almost 2/3s of them (top 100) scored an average of 1378, then yes this changes everything. If true, I find that stat incredibleâŠ
Ok @websensation but doesnât that still mean the data for THAT school is heavily skewed to the top?
@disshar You are correct but your statement actually misses the point. NMSFs come from very high scoring kids and from high scoring schools of which Walton is one. The important stat is that even Walton had only around 20 NMSFs, so Walton is a good sample to use IMO. If you use âaverageâ schoolâs stats, thatâs not helpful to have top 100 scores average from an average school. Having the MEAN score of top 100 scores from an average school will NOT tell you much; you need a MEAN score of top 5 scores from an average school to be any helpful. Lol
@disshar is there a relationship between cut-off and Walton achiever scores, in your mind? Like they tend to come in at +2 over the cut-off or something like that?
@micgeaux You need stats from a high scoring school, not average school because we only have the MEAN score of top 100. From an average school, you would need a MEAN score of top 5 or 10 scores to be any helpful. As long as you have the number of NMSFs from a high scoring school and the MEAN score of top 100 students from 601 students who took the test, you can come up with a good guess IMO.