Ok, this is the craziest thread on CC. We have people predicting a cut off of 229 on a 228 scale. A slight exaggeration, but not by much. What total hysteria. Everyone: if you got a 215, you will likely qualify in every State with the new scale. Relax.
@Tgirlfriend For Texans, we would have a better feel if we can get the same 2016 stats for St. Johnâs and TAMS. These 2 schools have a high percentage of NMSFâs to test takers.
I mean the same 2015 PSAT stats for St. Johnâs & TAMS
@SLparent said: âWalton in GA is like St. Johnâs in HoustonâŠa small school with about 25% of students make NMSF.â
Walton is a public high school with 2600 kids enrolled. They had 16 NMSF last year, 25 the year before that, and 13 the year before that. Nowhere near 25% of their kids make NMSF. They are nothing like St. Johns.
@SLparentâŠI saw those somewhere on the internet. I just didnât know what I was looking at. Let me see if I can find them again. It had Houston schools for 2016.
@Mom2aphysicsgeek, 1,724,416 is for 2014 or 2015?
- See page 5. http://www.cobbk12.org/news/2016/PSAT2015.pdf
@Mom2aphysicsgeek, you are right. I was looking at sophomores. Thank you!
@mnpapa29, here are revised numbers:
2015: 1,724,416 juniors took the PSAT/NMSQT
2014: 1,595,486 juniors took the PSAT/NMSQT
Gain of: 128,930.
@DoyleB Iâm not referring to public or privateâŠjust referring to GAâs statsâŠlooks like there are 4 schools in GA that produce a lot of NMSFâs comparing to other schools in their state.
For TX, and Iâm not familiar with the Dallas region, but for Houston, 2 schools dominate when it comes to producing a high number of NMSFâs. Thatâs all I mean when I made a comparison! People who live in Houston would know why I make that comparison.
@Plotinus â thanks. Guess Iâm new to this. Are you saying CB wants compression at the top so it looks like kids are doing better than they really are so less will take will take the ACT? I just sensed based on the divergence between the difficulty of the math and verbal, the test is flawed but was thinking this wasnât so much CBâs fault as the fact that in the general population there will be a greater amount of kids who will be able to score perfectly or much higher on any math test than there will be regarding a verbal test.
If case anyone is interested this is posted on the educator portion of the CB PSAT webpage:https://lp.collegeboard.org/help-resources-accessing-scores
f you or your colleagues are unable to join a webinar, you can listen to a recorded webinar, and access a copy of the presentation. Links are here (hope they work but you can link from College Board site - page for educators):
https://collegeboardtraining.webex.com/ec3000/eventcenter/recording/recordAction.do?theAction=poprecord&AT=pb&internalRecordTicket=4832534b00000002e6765672de5b7eba6aef62975d7d80aa850fd25aef18c7e86a11c774003197a3&renewticket=0&isurlact=true&recordID=45742522&apiname=lsr.php&format=short&needFilter=false&&SP=EC&rID=45742522&RCID=619bfaa43f3f97bee77ed40f68a8365b&siteurl=collegeboardtraining&actappname=ec3000&actname=%2Feventcenter%2Fframe%2Fg.do&rnd=5965294791&entappname=url3000&entactname=%2FnbrRecordingURL.do
Copy of presentation is here:
https://secure-media.collegeboard.org/digitalServices/pdf/sat/sat-suite-of-assessments-reporting-tool-and-manage-access-tool.pdf
NOTE to CCâers: Please see Slides 23-28 for some of the data that GCs can get in reports. â it is a lot, though may be mostly based on total scores & subscores - not sure shows the SI info & percentiles.
@Speedy2019 with post #1015, I think your number for 2015 off a little bit
Real number âŠ
From table 2 of link http://www.cobbk12.org/news/2016/PSAT2015.pdf
There are 1,724,416 11th grader taking PSAT in 2015
@WorryHurry411 at my daughterâs school we know of one kid so far with a 1500 which translates to a 224 - 226 SI so pretty near the top. 1 - 3 SFâs every year and Iâm thinking he must be one of them.
While the cut-offs have an upper bound of 228 which is WAY less than prior years there is no reason to expect them to be lower this year - especially when data from various sources might suggest otherwise. Future score creep can be stabilized just through managing the scales and increasing the challenge just a bit - they are, after all, starting with a pretty straightforward test so there is lots of âhead roomâ to make the test harder anytime they choose.
Some portion of the increase in 11th graders taking the PSAT comes from Michigan. This past fall, i believe, was the first time the test was administered during school to all juniors, free of charge. This coming April, every junior will take the SAT at school, also free of charge.
So I asked my dd GC how many students had SI at 217 or above at our CA school of approx 250 students juniors ( hoping my dd maybe maybe makes the cutoff). I got back that there were 4 students at 1460 or higher. That really didnât answer the SI bc someone at 1440 could have an SI higher than 217. We usually have 2 to 4 NMSF each year. Any hope left to make cutoff in CA???
Iâm wondering if CC crowd doesnât have any perfect scorers then probably there arenât that many out there.
@dallaspiano thanks for the link. I took a quick but donât think it adds anything new. It references the link I provided for information on how they derived the concordance tables. In sum they used a sample of 90k kids between 8 and 12 grades and an âequipercentile methodâ for constructing the tables. I presume the equipercentile methodâBUT I AM NOT SUREâfollows what you have been posting about past SAT tables. It seems CBâs MO is to break out test takers into narrow percentage bands so that out of a 1.5 mill population you get roughly 16k in the top 1% and 50k in the top 97%. BUT AS WE ALL KNOW something is very screwy about the percentiles CB is reporting vis-a-vis their concordance tables and the anecdotal evidence out there.
@Pickmen, good analysis. Thank for checking my posts on SAT tables, after that I used PSAT data tables too
I know of 1 perfect scorer.
Which state?