Need helping finding the right school for a bright but socially awkward aspire boy

My S is a very high functioning Aspie. He is a jr. at a competitive HS in IL. He is bright but but very lazy and unmotivated. Weighted GPA 3.6, ACT 32 with a mix of regular and AP classes. Lower GPA mostly due to a few Cs in Math. Luckily he is more of a liberal arts guy anyhow. Loves History and is an excellent writer so English is up there too. Right now he is thinking Journalism, but is still mostly undecided.

He is socially awkward. Although quirky, he had a good group of friends in grade school/early middle school. Unfortunately, puberty hit and he became more withdrawn. I can see he really wants to do social things with these boys but struggles to know how. He is trying however. His old group was more of the sporty spice type. His new group are boys he has bonded with through Cross Country or Tennis or his AP classes. I mention this as in my observation, he tends to gravitate and feel more comfortable with the quieter, nerdier type of kid that tend to participate in what I call the “gentler sports”.

My son’s executive functioning skills are truly lacking. He is a slob, extremely disorganized and needs constant reminders. or this very reason, he NEEDS to move out of the house. Even if he crashes and burns, I believe that he will come home a hair more independent if he is forced to figure this out on his own. If he stays home and goes to a CC I don’t think he he will never grow as a person as he is way too dependent on me. The other big issue with staying home is that I believe his only hope of a social life is to be a “regular” freshman thrown int the same situation as everyone else. He does need alone time to decompress, so a single may be an option.

That said, I think that he would do best at a school that attracts students like him. A good mix of kids from all walks of life.

Here is a list of schools that we have visited - S does not offer much but when he does his insight is usually profound

Wisconsin - Probably too big (although I do like the learning communities and the life skills dorms). I would push this but his insight is not necessarily that it is too big but instead too busy.

Purdue - He liked Purdue better than Wisconsin as campus a more self-contained. I fear it is too large and that he will fall through the cracks as he will not have the skills to self advocate. I do like that fact that it is not super greek and attracts a lot of engineering types from all walks of life. Even though Engineering will not be his jam, I think it will have a good mix of kids allowing him to possibly find his social niche.

Illinois - Pretty much the same as Purdue. It is very greek but it also has its fair share of nerdier personality types and unlike Butler there are enough kids that he may have a chance at making a few friends. They also have Private dorms such as the Newman Center which may or may not be a good thing. Great thing is that they will clean your room once a week and change your sheets every two weeks, For me that is HUGE!!! I won’t have to worry about his room hygiene as much. But he still may be better off in a traditional dorm freshman year so social reasons.

Butler - He liked the size of Butler but I have crossed this one off the list based on reviews and info from personal experiences from people I know. It is very Greek and with a student Body of less than 5,000 he would be the fish out of water.

Xavier - On paper this was my personal favorite. Small and they do a lot of hand holding so it would be less likely that he would fall through the cracks. No greek system, good reviews both from students on sites and from personal acquaintances. I have never heard anyone say a negative thing about this school. Admissions counselor in our area is amazing. Campus is lovely and manageable. My concern is the distance. We will drive him there and pick him up but he will most likely have to fly home from time to time. It’s also not a school that is close enough for me to check in on him from time to time to be sure he is doing laundry, eating foods besides sour skittles, etc.

Marquette - He says this his favorite. I think it’s because I told him Marcus Lemonis went there and he is a big fan but he says it is because the people seemed more genuine and down to earth. Oddly, I fear the opposite which is why I am not sure it’s a good fit. I may be wrong, but I see Marquette drawing a huge portion of it’s students from the Chicago suburbs. I fear it will not be diverse enough for him. When I say diverse, I mean people from all socioeconomic backgrounds regardless of color or race. When we went through the room and all the students had to disclose their hometown. 45 of the 50 were white kids from affluent Chicago suburbs. Again, that is not a bad thing or a good thing. I’m just afraid it will more like his high school experience. He is friendly with those types of kids at school but has nothing in common with any of them so he does’t hang with them socially. I fear this will be much of the same. It does however weigh heavily on the positives: School is a good size, close and easy drive so I can get to him often and he can come home often. Academically decent with a pretty good journalism program and will have connections in Chicago if/once he graduates. Manageable campus (although I didn’t love its much as Xavier) and they are getting a new Freshman dorm that opens next fall. Small enough that he may not fall through the cracks if advisors are truly on it. A building dedicating just for Tutoring to help kids not fall through the cracks. All good things.

He is also the type of student that is mostly self taught and does the minimal to get the grade he wants. Doesn’t do a lot of homework but can still pull off As on almost al of his Tests/Exams (except Math because you need to do the homework). I did mention he was lazy. I thought a school like Xavier would be a good fit as they have small classes, take attendance, etc. But I am now re-thinking that. Perhaps a larger school with a more “traditional” college experience may work better? I say traditional because my husband and i are both products of Big 10 schools where most classes consisted of a mid-term, a final and an occasional paper. Yes, some of the classes required more homework but fo the most part it was much more of an autonomous atmosphere. The benefits of a smaller school are the class sizes and the fact that you can get to know your professors. He may skip class and because he has a hard time socially will never be the brown-nosing kid that will want to get to know his professor. So I’m not sure that it will be an advantage. It may actually be a disadvantage.

All of that said, does anyone have any personal experience with an Aspie kid with traits like S and any of these schools?

There are a few others I would like to explore but have been reluctant due to reviews and what I know on paper.

Loyola and Lake Forest for their proximity

Maybe SLU but again the distance is an issue and it seems to attract the same the same type of student as Marquette.

Case Western - I have mixed feelings based on what i have read. The distance is an issue but my husband has close family in Cleveland and his Aunt taught there so there is more of a personal connection.

I know there are a list of others that may work based on services they provide; Kalamazoo, Beloit, Wooster, St. Olaf but again the distance, the setting or the academic offerings may not be a good fit.

I would love to hear any and all stories. It’s so hard to navigate this path. Everyone will have a different experience but if there is a common theme, I can at least weed out some of the crazy thoughts that enter and exit my head on an hourly basis.

I was a Journalism major at UW-Madison. I wrote an awful lot within my major (obviously) and an awful lot outside of it. So unless a kid could totally bypass the humanities and social sciences, which is not really possible given distribution requirements, he’d write quite a number of papers and do some writing for other assignments if he attended UW. And many exams are “blue book” exams: essay format.

Some majors obviously will involve less writing – STEM majors especially. But the vast majority of schools require students to take a broad course load, so that everyone gets a rounded education. To avoid writing, you might look into schools with an open curriculum.

Hi prezbucky! He is actually an excellent writer so not trying to avoid the writing. History and writing are kind of his jam. Although he does love science and does well in his classes, he is not a STEM kid because he now hates Math.

If you have the opportunity, maybe visit more schools? It sounds as though having family/relatives nearby may be important. Unfortunately I can’t help much in your close area, but with family in Ohio there are a few more options. For journalism, Ohio University comes to mind (would look at the Honors college). With the History, writing, and environment, Wooster or Kenyon comes to mind. However none are not right next to an airport and I don’t know support if needed. Also I can’t speak to experience with an Aspie child, but I can say my son who leans more towards quirky and intellectual with little Greek, felt Butler was not the right fit while Wooster definitely was.

If he likes downtown areas, Case has a lot to offer. It can be intense for some kids, definitely would need to keep up with work imo. Best wishes in your journey!

Thanks jcmom716! I kind of thought that could be the case with Case. He’s definitely lazy and isn’t much for the Urban setting so that’s probably coming off my list. I just wasn’t sure how Urban…DePaul in Chicago is Super Urban while U of Chicago or Loyola or Northwestern are a little more off the beaten path. I do keep checking out Wooster but like Xavier I thinks it may be too far:( Kenyon was one I wanted to explore but based on reviews, it doesn’t read quirky but more Greek like Butler. I may be wrong. Ohio University would be great but again too far and hard to get to. My friend’s son is going there next year.

Knox College?

My son sounds a lot like yours, except for the sports part. (He’s a robotics kid and avoids all athletics.) We’re also in the Great Lakes area, so we’ve looked at some of the same schools you’ve mentioned. My son loved everything about Purdue, but ultimately decided the workload might be too much for him with his ADHD/executive function issues. He’s decided to pursue LACs because, although he’s a math/science kid, he also craves discussion-based humanities classes and feels he will do best where the profs know him personally and can push him when he slacks off on homework. (And hopefully be more understanding about deadlines if/when high school repeats and he’s getting A’s on the tests but only turning in half the homework.)

As for Kenyon, I didn’t get a Greek vibe at all, though the kids all seem really academically “together” to me (meaning, they have whole package, both high IQ and highly motivated students) based on a couple different tours and multiple kids from our high school who have gone there. It is just as far as Wooster from Chicago though, so that may not help you at all. (Though I will put in another plug for Wooster – my daughter had two classmates attend, one of whom was definitely quirky and socially awkward, and they both thrived.)

Have you looked at Grinnell? A friend’s son who’s there right now is absolutely thriving, and I’d consider him on the socially awkward/introverted side of things (though ridiculously brilliant). His parents are over the moon with the fact that he jumped into several activities and made a bunch of friends his freshman year, which was a change from high school. That said, another friend’s son, an athlete, has reportedly found the workload a challenge to balance with his Cross Country schedule.

What about Earlham? It’s only another hour past Indy for you compared to Butler. We just toured it yesterday and my son loved it. He says it has popped to the top of his list. Relaxed vibe, casual atmosphere, and known for attracting quirky kids.

Hampshire? Bard? Farther away… but my high functioning kid on the spectrum mastered traveling for college by Xmas of freshman year. Lake Forest doesn’t sound like a social fit at all. I’d take a good look at Beloit and Wooster.

You might chat with his doctor about whether they are willing to support you in making a medical request for a single. It is the only way for frosh to get them at many schools. I’m not sure of the process schools go through (never did it for my kids), but I assume others out here have.

Your son might “step up to the plate” if he is sufficiently challenged in college and gets to take classes of more interest to him. Wisconsin works well for introverts as well as extroverts. A large school has room enough for many types of people- no single campus experience for any majority. I think he should definitely investigate UW-Madison more. Easy to do your own thing, find interesting courses et al. Big schools, like big cities, are comprised of many smaller neighborhoods. One does get to know professors if one makes a small effort.

My gifted son did not always get A’s in HS because of not always doing the work. AT UW one needs to be self motivated and there is a wide variety of classes to choose from not at all schools. Hand holding is not always the best motivator. Finding one’s “tribe” could be more useful- as in likeminded people with similar abilities and interests.

Your son should revisit Madison. He can find quiet along the Lakeshore, plenty of places to be alone. Tons of students going between classes but crowds will be found at every campus. He needs to rethink space at Marquette for getting away- it is an urban campus and lacks space to get away. Plus, the demographic may not suit him.

UW and the surrounding city area has great opportunities for running- son was in the CC/track club sports group. Good opportunity to keep up serious running with others without needing to be on a division team. They could sign up for several CC meets in the region, competing with D3 et al teams (find it on the UW website).

Addenda. It is your son’s life journey, try not to micromanage. He may surprise you with his ability to function where you worry about it. Be wary of colleges that YOU think may be a fit but he is a bit off the majority and can’t find enough people like him. Plenty of “socially awkward” students at UW from what I have seen.

Your next visit to UW should include time spent along the lake, in quiet places.

I know you mentioned your son wasn’t a STEM type kid, but take a look at RIT. They tout themselves as the greatest collection of geeks and artists in the world. It has an incredibly diverse student body with a lot of kids who could be considered as socially awkward, but also very non-judgmental. A recently posted YouTube video captures the essence of life on campus – it is a video of two kids dressed up in dinosaur costumes having a sword fight in the middle of a busy academic quad in which you can see other students just walking by like this was a common occurrence. They might not have the right major for your son, but I think it is worth a look.

Someone had suggested Knox and after reading the student reviews, it sounds great with a few hiccups. From what have read, I believe it is a VERY liberal school. Over the past year he has taken a strong Republican political view. I asked him if it was just because he has taken a liking to Trump and his response was “No. Trump is a bit of a moron but republics think more based on facts rather than feelings and that is more along the lines of my thinking.” That is a fair enough answer for me but not sure his points of view will go over well with most of the views of others. He does like to talk about politics…it has become one of his new found interests. Not a bad thing, but unfortunately it has ruled out schools that were in my original arsenal such as Knox or Grinell. I will re-visit, however:)

wis75 you make some very good points. My husband actually is a UW Madison grad and I almost went there but ended up making an 11th hour decision to go going to Illinois instead. We are obviously big fans. I actually think t’s a main reason he does NOT want to go (as a typical teen, he and his father are not seeing eye to eye at the moment). For the out of State sticker price of $55,000, I think he has to want to go to the school. He has never looked up a school himself or done any research (which is why I have to do itand this is very frustrating) but he has voiced his opinion as a NO to UW. Maybe we will re-visit in the fall…he may see it in a different light. And honestly, not sure that he can even get in. It has become uber competitive as an out of state applicant:(

Intparent thanks for the tip on the single dorm. Not sure if we will go that route but good to know and get that going with his Dr. earlier rather than later.

Kab2Kab thanks for the suggestions. I did take a look at Kenyon again and maybe it was the fact that I thought these kids looked too “buttoned up” for him and that the campus is in a more remote location. I think it may be worth a visit however. It does read a little liberal but I can definitely see a lot of conserve types as well so that mat not be an issue. That IS the issue with Grinell. We actually had a visit planned last fall but my son has since because a conservative republican. Grinell reads better suited for the artsy, music loving, pot smoking liberal type. I love the fact that there is a mandatory freshman class that basically is your orientation. I think for him that would be great way to meet people and make friends but he is so not that liberal guy. They send the best marketing materials. Fun and quirky. Even though he is quirky, it’s a different type of quirky. More of the quiet, awkward, not comfortable in his own skin kind of quirky.

jm815 I will check out RIT. Because he is super immature, he loves goofy things like that. Not sure about their writing program but it’s worth a look:)

I’m just throwing this one in because it’s in Illinois: North Central College, in Naperville.

RIT is known for its Spectrum Support Program

https://www.rit.edu/news/story.php?id=60646
https://www.rit.edu/studentaffairs/ssp/overview

Ah, if he’s looking for a more politically conservative campus, definitely don’t bother with Earlham then, LOL. Wooster is more moderate, IMO, so it might still be in the running if you decide it’s not too far away.

Now, if he’s open to at least considering single-sex, I’ll throw you a curveball – Wabash College. More conservative politically than many LACs (though still with people from all viewpoints). It’s heavily Greek, which scares some people off, but not all the houses (or the guys in them) are your stereotypical “frat boys” – there are houses that have a lot of theater majors, top academic students, etc. Same with sports (and the cross country team is quite successful, if he wants to continue running in college.) It’s listed in CTCL and scores very high on the “best undergraduate teaching” rankings. And only 3 hours from Chicago.

A friend’s son sounds a lot like your son and is a graduate of Loras College- check out the Lynch Learning Center there.