New Airline Rules after terrorist attempt

[Cuse0507]

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cuse0507- i mean that goes for any situation anytime. -_-;; why only airplanes? It’s not like they need a plane to blow up another giant building. It can happen in your street your school subway bus whatever else. People seem to be forgetting that planes aren’t the only things that terrorists can use… I guess planes are the common targets for terrorists and security is necessary but I think TSA is pretty ineffective…(better than nothing I guess) and I wonder how far they will go. I dunno, I’m just wondering… I wish the IT from South Park really existed ROFL without the rear inserting controls of course.

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<p>For some reason, Al Qaeda really loves airplanes. Back in the 90’s they tried to blow up some transpacific flights but failed. 9/11 worked out well for them, and a couple months after that they tried to blow up an American Airlines flight to London. A few years later the Brits busted a plot to blow up 10 airliners flying from Europe to the United States. Now we have the Detroit incident. There are surely much easier targets for Al Qaeda, but for some reason they have this obsession with aviation.</p>

[nbachris2788]

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Maybe we should try some racial profiling since these terrorists are not white, asian, mexican, or black… just sayin.

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<p>The guy was black. Sure, he had a Muslimy name, but he could’ve just changed it for his terroristing.</p>

<p>Maybe we should just start screening non-whites? But McVeigh was white. And there are many white-looking Muslims too. </p>

<p>Maybe we should start asking people to say “***** Allah” and if they don’t, prevent them from flying.</p>

<p>Or how about we use our civilized brains for a change?</p>

[nbachris2788]

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I do agree on the political correctness thing though. Especially with the Fort Hood jihadist. I remember back when some white police officer arrested a black Harvard professor and Obama called him racist… then this jihadist shoots his brothers and sisters in arms, and he says we “shouldn’t jump to conclusions” haha… please. To call the Fort Hood shooting anything less than treason is lunacy.

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<p>So you link the Prof. Gates incident with Fort Hood? You’ve just dug yourself into an intellectual hole. Start clawing at the mud and climb, man.</p>

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What baffles me is that this guy was on one of the watchlists (the lowest tier, according to CNN… there are four tiers, with only one always resulting in additional screening and only one being the no-fly list) and yet they let him in without blinking an eye. Frankly I think if they’re on a watchlist they should be forced to undergo additional screening.

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<p>There are over 500 000 names on that list, and it’s still difficult to match passengers’ names to the ones in the watchlist database.</p>

[Cuse0507]

<p>Historically speaking, white people don’t bomb airplanes. Most, if not all, of the airliners blown up within the last 20 years have been destroyed by Islamic terrorists or agents acting on behalf of an Islamic government. Profiling won’t solve everything, but it is better than doing nothing. At the very least, it will force terrorists to look harder for white or black Muslims. I doubt most Muslims would have a problem with the extra security measures-they don’t want to get blown up either.</p>

[DCHurricane]

<p>Peter Parker, I agree and disagree. The backscatter machines can differentiate from organic and inorganic matter. A spokesperson for one backscatter machine manufacturer said that the explosives that the terrorist had would have been detected, even though he had them in his genital area.</p>

<p>I honestly think that a backscatter machine would be the most we’d need. Until someone invents a better explosive at least; but chances are it’d be a military that does that, not some lala-head in a cave.</p>

<p>Also, flying isn’t a right, it’s a privilege. Nobody is forcing anybody to fly. We still have things called trains and ships.</p>

<p>How difficult can it be? GEICO finds my driver’s information in the blink of an eye when comparing me to the thousands of entries in the Maryland MVA database.</p>

<p>edit: Also here’s a real knee-slapper: the CIA knew about this jihadi back in August, knew that he was meeting with terrorist leaders, but the guy still kept his visa because the CIA never notified anyone. Nice going CIA, nice going.</p>

[siemprecuriosa]

<p>Sorry for the long post. Feel free to just ignore it if you don’t want to read something so long. I just have a lot to say on this topic.</p>

<p>“have any of you ever thought to think that</p>

<p>1) The person running the backscatter machine CANNOT SEE THE PERSON BEING SCANNED?</p>

<p>2) The backscatter image IS NOT DETAILED AND BLACKS OUT YOUR PRIVATE PARTS?</p>

<p>3) The image IS NOT SAVED?</p>

<p>Seriously. People show just as much at the beach, and in far greater detail.”</p>

<p>1) I don’t care if they can’t see ME. If they see a nude picture of me, I have a problem with that. If someone were to post a nude picture of me on the Internet, it would be no less humiliating just because people could see the picture and not me.</p>

<p>2) First of all, I don’t know that I trust this. The government could easily be saying this just to appease privacy advocates. Or, even if it does work, there could be a chance that it wouldn’t work for everyone, because as peter_parker points out, everyone is different. Plus, as he pointed out, it could be that private parts are blurred out after they’re identified by a person, or even if the computer does blur them out for the worker who sees them, the original, unblurred image could still be stored in the computer.</p>

<p>3) Again, I don’t trust this. The government SAYS the images aren’t saved, but how do we know they’re telling the truth? And even if they aren’t saved now, the system is in place that they could later decide to start saving them and no one would know. Someone posted a link earlier in this thread that discussed how in Britian, some lawmakers wanted to put scanners like this in lampposts and put the images in a database. If our government already has fingerprint and DNA databases, it’s not too big of a stretch to say they might start compiling a database out of these backscatter images.</p>

<p>As for the beach thing, not everyone does show just as much as the beach. Lots of people do, and maybe these are the people that tend to be okay with the idea of a full-body scanner in an airport, but there are also lots of people who aren’t comfortable with revealing too much of their bodies, even on the beach.</p>

<p>The one good thing I can say about this situation is that passengers are still allowed to request a pat-down instead of being scanned. If I were pulled out of line to be scanned, this is probably what I would do.</p>

<p>“Also here’s a real knee-slapper: the CIA knew about this jihadi back in August, knew that he was meeting with terrorist leaders, but the guy still kept his visa because the CIA never notified anyone. Nice going CIA, nice going.”</p>

<p>Here’s yet another example of the ridiculousness of this whole thing: this person’s father warned the U.S. Embassy about this guy last month, and his visa still wasn’t taken away.</p>

<p>Source: [Dutch</a> to use full body scanners for US flights - Yahoo! News](<a href=“http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091230/ap_on_re_us/us_airliner_attack;_ylt=Ai_XBg49wNDd5IPi1zkjmD.hOrgF;_ylu=X3oDMTM3M2Q3bjI1BGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMDkxMjMwL3VzX2FpcmxpbmVyX2F0dGFjawRjY29kZQNtb3N0cG9wdWxhcgRjcG9zAzEEcG9zAzEEc2VjA3luX3RvcF9zdG9yaWVzBHNsawNkdXRjaHRvdXNlZnU-]Dutch”>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091230/ap_on_re_us/us_airliner_attack;_ylt=Ai_XBg49wNDd5IPi1zkjmD.hOrgF;_ylu=X3oDMTM3M2Q3bjI1BGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMDkxMjMwL3VzX2FpcmxpbmVyX2F0dGFjawRjY29kZQNtb3N0cG9wdWxhcgRjcG9zAzEEcG9zAzEEc2VjA3luX3RvcF9zdG9yaWVzBHNsawNkdXRjaHRvdXNlZnU-)</p>

[whheex]

<p>maybe it’s a government conspiracy to take over the people.</p>

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<p>so how many carry on bags can we have again? i’ll be flying to detroit in a few days and i think im gona bring a bag and something i’m gona carry by hand</p>

[Jimgotkp]

<p>I believe you can carry your personal bag/computer bag/etc. and a carry-on suitcase or whatever. I think it only differs for international travel to the US</p>

[DCHurricane]

<p>Good on the Dutch for taking further measures to prevent another attempted attack.</p>

<p>What are the alternatives that people propose? Ever since we started talking about closing down Gitmo and trying a different approach to handling terrorism, terror attacks have gone up. Three successful/attempted ones and a fair few plots discovered. </p>

<p>It’s barbaric. We sent two Gitmo prisoners to Saudi Arabia, who promptly sent them to Yemen where they went back to al-Qaeda. It’s like our government WANTS to make us vulnerable.</p>

[nbachris2788]

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Ever since we started talking about closing down Gitmo and trying a different approach to handling terrorism, terror attacks have gone up.

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<p>The Dallas Cowboys also have never won a Superbowl ever since Bill Clinton left office. Ergo, Bill Clinton’s presidency spurred the Cowboys’ to their Superbowl victories in the 90s.</p>

<p>You have to be able to make a better case for cause and effect, besides the dumb fact that two events happened at the same time.</p>

[LogicWarrior]

<p>If al-Qaeda did not want their members held as POWs they shouldn’t have attacked military targets.</p>

[DCHurricane]

<p>Thing is pal, there’s zero connection between Clinton and the Cowboys. There’s a fair bit of connection between the policies of the United States which are ultimately enacted by the President, and terrorist attacks.</p>

[LogicWarrior]

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Ever since we started talking about closing down Gitmo and trying a different approach to handling terrorism, terror attacks have gone up.

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<p>When was that? This guy was released from Gitmo in 2007.</p>

[soccerguy315]

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Also here’s a real knee-slapper: the CIA knew about this jihadi back in August, knew that he was meeting with terrorist leaders, but the guy still kept his visa because the CIA never notified anyone. Nice going CIA, nice going.

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<p>The CIA doesn’t control VISAs, that’s Hillary’s job.</p>

[romanigypsyeyes]

<p>Sorry, I haven’t read everything here, so I’m bringing this up. </p>

<p>The problem is that we are looking for bombs, chemicals, whathaveyou rather than TERRORISTS. We need to find TERRORISTS rather than making grandma have a pat down. People that come from places like Yemen, pay in cash, have no baggage, need to have additional screening. I’m sorry if I sound racist (I’m not), but it is the truth. If you pay in cash, don’t have baggage, etc, you should be asked a few reasonable questions (I don’t care if your name is Muhammad Hassan or Steven Smith, you should be subjected to additional security if you pay in cash the day of the flight). The airport in Israel interviews a ton of people and the trained people there say they know within the first four questions who is a problem and who isn’t. We need something like that here. Everytime we find a terrorist device (bomb, liquid, now powder) we can prevent it, but they just find something new. We need to look for TERRORISTS, not their things. </p>

<p>/rant.</p>

[LogicWarrior]

<p>romani’s got a point, if they even make it as far as the airport that’s a real failure on the part of both intelligence agencies.</p>

[east89]

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Um, first of all, you all realize that the TSA’s security measures are a farce, right? They were designed to make you feel safe and prevent mass hysteria, but – as previous and recent incidents prove - the TSA’s security is F’ING WORTHLESS.</p>

<p>There are so many people arguing about shoes — do you guys realize that the United States is the only country in the world that requires the ridiculous “taking off shoes” measure? Hey, genius… in ANY INCOMING FLIGHT TO THE US… you are NOT required to take off your shoes at all (because it is in a foreign country, and no other country checks your shoes). Hence… the entire measure, if it is circumvented thousands of times on every day, IS WORTHLESS.

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<p>Not true; shoe removal occurs at some airports in Europe as well, such as Shannon in Dublin, Ireland. I’ve also heard Russia, but I’m not sure about that one.</p>

[east89]

<p>^^^add the Philippines to that list since I can’t edit.</p>

[Keasbey_Nights]

<p>You’re forced to take off your shoes in Ben Gurion in Israel.</p>