<p>Mr. Bartow,</p>
<p>I am auditioning for NYU on the 18th, musical theater with dance for early decision. My question is this, if I do not get accepted to CAP, but get placed in another studio, is that still binding contractually through NYU early decision?</p>
<p>Thanks,
Chris</p>
<p>Chris, the answer is yes. That is why when you apply early decision there you must think through if you would accept another studio or not. If you feel you would not, then you are allowed to say, "I will ONLY accept CAP" which is in essence, CAP OR NOTHING. It does NOT increase your chances at CAP to say that over someone who provides a second or third choice studio (that is a misconception that some have). Mr. Bartow even posted to explain this too. </p>
<p>From my own daughter's personal experience, when she had at one time contemplating applying ED to Tisch, and if she had, she would have said CAP only. But since she applied RD, she gave a second and third choice studio, which they also encourage you to do. She therefore, left open the options and would then decide where she would attend college when all her cards were on the table. She had nothing to lose by having a second or third choice studio because if she were accepted to Tisch but not for CAP, she would then have an optioin to attend. As Mr. Bartow wrote, the school either accepts you or rejects you. They may want more than 80 students who had specified CAP as a first choice in their program and place those they wish to accept into another studio. If you feel you would not consider this and because you are an ED applicant which IS BINDING, then you'd be well advised to stipulate that you wish to only be considered for CAP. That won't increase your chances for CAP but what it will do is if you are accepted, it'll either be to CAP or not at all and you won't be in a studio you do not wish to attend. </p>
<p>Please realize that ED is BINDING. It is not for anyone who is unsure or not aware of these rules. </p>
<p>I wish you all the best and do let us know how it goes.
Susan</p>
<p>Thank you so much for clarifying this information. Coincidentally, you auditioned my daughter for CAP21 (thanks for accepting her :) and she is LOVING it! I have never seen her so happy. She loves her teachers and is learning a lot. Thanks for all you do!</p>
<p>Bartow posts that the Tisch acceptance rate is 15-17% , which, btw, I find comforting. That's not as high as I had previously thought. Mycurrent students will be happy to hear that!</p>
<p>Susan,
you had posted on the Webster thread about schools with a 5% accept rate. Which schools are those? My students are always asking and I want to give them the correct info. You seem to have this facts and figures pretty much in hand.</p>
<p>Also, at Tisch, Bartow writes that 1000 audition for CAP. Do we assume that the remaining 1500-2000 auditioned for straight acting studios? or would that figure be the total # of applicants including playwriting and tech also? </p>
<p>I sure would like to know the total number of actors auditioning for acting studios, like the total Bartow provided for CAP. </p>
<p>Anyone know?</p>
<p>Thanks,xxx,Mary Anna</p>
<p>Mary Anna,</p>
<p>I would think the best place to find out totally accurate information for your students would be to call and ask the theatre departments themselves. I know if I was an acting instructor and I wanted to share this kind of information with my students I would want it to be as accurate as possible.</p>
<p>If you decide to do this, please share the results with us all. Thanks!</p>
<p>SUE</p>
<p>maryanna, the number that Arthur Bartow quoted is the total number for Tisch Drama. 2500-3000 students apply/audition each year for the Drama department, as he said "for all studios". 1000 of those specify Cap21 as a first choice. The remaining 1500-2000 specify one of the other studios as a first choice. The primary studios are: Cap21, Stella Adler Conservatory, Atlantic Theatre Company, Experimental Theatre Wing, The Meisner Extension, Lee Strasberg Theatre Institute, Playwrights Horizons Theatre School, and the Tech Track. I'm not sure what you're referring to when you say Playwriting. If you mean Dramatic Writing, that's a different department in Tisch and would not be included in the Drama numbers. Since the Tech Track is a part of the Drama Dept. and is one of the studios, I would assume that the numbers would include those applicants. So the numbers he provided should give you a good indication as to how many usually apply for the studios other than Cap21, 1500-2000. My understanding is that the tech track is a relatively small number when compared to those applicants who want a straight acting studio. The Tisch office is very helpful if you call and inquire, so as 5pants said, as a coach who should be providing her students with absolutely accurate information, I would recommend that you call them if you have specific questions.</p>
<p>Mary Anna--
I find it commendable that you trying to get this type of information for your students. My d has a coach that I think has helped her a lot and is a very sweet and kind person. She has an MFA in musical theater and teaches college theater. Yet she does not have a handle like this on the individual schools and, in fact, leaves it up to the students to do the up-to-the-minute research. If I were a mom of a student of yours I would be thrilled to be getting this type of information. It also might make my d and I "lazy," though, because we would get information that we ourselves would not have to "dig" for. Because this type of information changes fairly rapidly and because different spokespersons for each school might give out slightly different information and also because any information passed on from one person to another can be like a game of telephone, the information might not be as accurate as possible when it gets to the students. It might take you off the hook in terms of "liability" to force your students to search for this information for themselves. Do you yourself have any children involved in any college search or even within the performing arts? If so, trolling for information on CC is part of the wait game, I guess. But in searching for this information for students I think I would want them to rely on information they receive directly. That would protect you!</p>
<p>Mary Anna,
Mr. Bartow gave similar information as to what I was trying to explain with regard to numbers. As mentioned, when we went to a Tisch information session, we were told that about 2500 audition for Tisch Drama (that is for all the studios....acting AND musical theater, though there are 7 acting studios and just one MT studio). Of those 2500 (which Mr. Bartow has said is 2500-3000 so it is a range each year), 1000 specify CAP as their first choice studio. Many of those students are willing and interested also in an acting studio if they do not get into CAP21 studio and give a specific acting studio as a second (and sometimes a third) choice and so if Tisch wants to accept them, they may be placed in an acting studio if not room for them in the MT studio. Thus, you have between 1500-2000 vying for an acting studio as their FIRST choice and then some of the MT applicants who also would accept an acting studio as a second choice. </p>
<p>As far as acceptance rate, Mr. Bartow's statement correlates with what I had tried to explain earlier. The acceptance rate into CAP is a lower rate than into the acting studios. There are 1000 kids vying for 65 slots in CAP, though they accept 80 to yield 65. There are 1500-2000 kids vying for about 220 slots in acting. The admit rate for CAP is approx. 8% as stated in my previous post. My previous post went on to say that I was not completely sure of an accurate admit rate for just ACTING at Tisch, but that it is not over 20%. Depending if it is 1500 or 2000 vying for the 220 or so slots, and I don't know how many they actually ACCEPT to YIELD that 220 in acting ,the admit rate is not a firm number that I can state. I don't know how many they actually admit to get that yield in acting. But if they admit about 20% to acting....THEN Mr. Bartow was saying that the OVERALL ADMIT RATE (that is COMBINING for MT OR ACTING) averages to about 15-17%. So, as I was saying, the admit rate for acting is a bit higher than for MT because there are many more acting slots available. When you average the MT admit rate and the Acting admit rate, then it comes in at about a 15-17% acceptance rate OVERALL. So, if you have a student auditoining for acting, her chances of admission is likely over 15% (but not by a lot) and if auditioning for MT, it is more in the range of 6-8% or so. I think I have just outlined the information you seek and it follows, as well from what Mr. Bartow stated, as well. If you are advising students, however, and have more detailed questions, it is best to call the school. </p>
<p>You posted:
"Susan,
you had posted on the Webster thread about schools with a 5% accept rate. Which schools are those? My students are always asking and I want to give them the correct info. You seem to have this facts and figures pretty much in hand."</p>
<p>I went back to my post on the Webster thread to see what you are referring to and I had written there :</p>
<p>You comment (referring to Mary Anna's comment in a previous post): "My student was one of 6 girls taken into the MT program (at Webster), so it's much more selective than some of the other big name schools." The number of kids taken is not what determines selectivity. Rather it is the acceptance rate. Even if a program has 20 kids or 50 kids, it can be just as selective as a program with 12 kids if each of these programs has an acceptance rate of 5% (just an example of the acceptance rate at several "big name" schools). In determining selectivity, one can't go by how many they took but what percentage they took of those who auditioned.</p>
<p>I can see now that you are attempting to come at this as if what I said before is not true because of the admit rate at NYU. First, my original point on the Webster thread is that you cannot conclude that because a program only took 6 GIRLS, it is more selective than a so called "top" program that may have 65 kids in it because the admit rate is more pertinent when talking selectivity (and even then, there is more to it in terms of the strength of the applicant pool that auditioned at that college but I'll leave that important factor aside for now). I do not know the admit rate at Webster. Do you know how many audition there if they take just six? 5 Pants may know. But what I can tell you are trying to get at here is thinking that I referred to an admit rate of about 5% at some top programs. I wasn't even referring to CAP21 when I said that but of a group of schools such as CAP, CCM, CMU, UMich and the like. These schools all have an acceptance rate in the single digits for MUSICAL THEATER. And I can see where you are MISINTERPRETING the acceptance rate at TISCH. The acceptance rate that Mr. Bartow gave for TISCH was OVERALL for MT and ACTING COMBINED. As explained previously, the acceptance rate for acting is a higher rate than for MT (see the numbers). The acceptance rate for CAP is in the single digits. He said 1000 wanted CAP and they accepted 80 to yield 64. That would be an 8% admit rate for MUSICAL THEATER which was ALL I was talking about on the WEBSTER thread, NOT acting. Further, at the CAP meeting by the head of CAP for parents a few weeks ago, the director actually stated that 1500 tried for CAP, which would make the admit rate for CAP more like 5%. I also was going by that. But whether it is 5% OR 8%, my point is still the same. The admit rate to some of the top MT programs (again, I never mentioned CAP in my post on the Webster site), is in the single digits. At some it may be 5 % and at some it may be 9%. My point was that you cannot state that X college is more selective because they only took 6 students and some other school took 65. The SIZE of the program does not determine selectivity. The admit rate is the factor to look at as well as the applicant pool itself. The applicant pool at Harvard is not the same as the applicant pool at State U. Selectivity has more to do with the acceptance rate than how many are actually accepted. </p>
<p>I know someone who recently auditioned for a BFA program where only 4 are taken but about 40 audition. I don't know how many they accept to yield 4 and by the way, many get confused in stating acceptance rates when they just look at how many freshman there are but they need to look at how many were given an offer, not how many slots need to be filed....and so while I don't know how many offers are made at that school, the acceptance rate is at least 10% if not higher. That does not make it more selective than a school that takes 65 freshmen. As well, that school does not draw as much from a national pool of the top talent and is not as highly regarded. </p>
<p>You never said how many Webster auditioned but only that they took 6 girls. Let's say they also took 6 boys. That is a total of 12 kids in the freshman class. First off, they likely accepted more than 12 to yield 12. People forget that the acceptance rate is not based on how many slots there are but how many they accept to yield those slots. But anyway, without knowing how many they auditioned, I have no idea how it can be stated that that Webster is MORE selective than a so called top MT program. Let's take Syracuse. They auditioned 400 for MT my D 's year, and their class was to be 20 for MT. CMU told us that they auditioned 1200 for either MT or Acting and took 10 for MT and 18 for acting. UMich invites about 450 to audition for MT and they have 20 slots available. I do not follow how one can state that Webster was more selective than these admit rates based on how many many freshmen there are in the class. My D was accepted to Ithaca and they told us they would take 12 in the class. I never felt she got into a more selective school there than let's say UMich or CMU or CAP because she was one of 12. In fact, they had to take more than 12 anyway to yield 12. Just of the handful of kids in VT who auditioned there, my D was one of two who declined the offer of admission. That happens at many schools like that, too. </p>
<p>Are you saying that Webster was more selective because they took 6 girls into the freshman class than a top MT program such as CMU that took 4 or maybe 5 girls this year into their MT program? I doubt that when CMU most likely had more applicants. Even IF Webster had the 1200 MT and Acting applicants that CMU had (though you have not mentioned how many auditioned there), it still would not follow that it was more selective than this top MT program. That is not even getting into the strength of the applicant pool. None of this matters in regard however, to discussing Webster, because as I stated in my post on the Webster thread, it is a wonderful AND selective program. I just do not agree that statiistically it can be stated that it is more selective than the top MT programs just because they only have 6 girls in the freshman class.</p>
<p>My explanation has not changed. The information that Mr. Bartow shared is what I already knew. I don't know if you are trying to find some contradiction here or just what but you are talking apples to oranges as I was ONLY talking of the MT acceptance rate at CAP, not for ALL of Tisch, and actually in my post on the Webster thread I was talking of any of the well regarded MT programs, not merely the one at Tisch.</p>
<p>You are an acting coach and my assumption is that you are very familiar with these programs and their level of selectivity and acceptance rates since you are advising your students. I am not shedding any new information that can't be found via research for your students directly at the source.</p>
<p>This is off the current topic of conversation, but I just wanted to let everyone know that I've gone completely out of control and added yet another school to my list of applications: NYU. Ya went and made me do it, you influencers!!! With all your talk of how great it is and how happy your kids are there, etc etc, you made me remember why it was my first choice last time around, and I finally caved.</p>
<p>I've spent the last five hours working on the application, and it's pretty much done. I'm scheduled to audition on February 16th. Luckily, I was going to be in New York then anyway, and cemented my decision to add NYU to the list.</p>
<p>Thanks, Soozie, for pushing me past the edge of college application sanity and into the realm of double digits - 10 auditions! 10!</p>
<p>It's so time for bed now...haha, what do YOU do on a Saturday night, huh? :)</p>
<p>Another question from clueless here: in the end (or even the beginning) why exactly is the acceptance rate of this school or that important? this is not a philosophical question! is knowing the acceptance rate meant to be a scientific way of determining the chances a student has of being accepted at one school over another or to determine how many other schools they need apply to in order to off-set the (presumably low) acceptance rates at schools to which they are applying? isnt true that even wonderfully gifted students, both talent and academically gifted--do not get accepted at some colleges to which they would appear to be a shoe-in? if the playing field were completely level doesnt it just come down to a numbers game and the more places a student applies the better, just because the odds are so stacked against any talented kid--in college and in the real world? or am i totally missing the bus altogether and is there some magic formula i need to be aware of before D#2 considers her list complete--and if there is please advise me because all the numbers make me dizzy--i just want my kid to get into a school and be happy there and learn how to make a living at MT! as always, thanks for clearing the fog in my mind!</p>
<p>Sareccasmom...I TOTALLY agree! My perspective all along on the forum is that when you are talking of single digit admit rates which is about what the case is at most MT BFA programs....some may be slightly higher and be 10% or whatever.....it doesn't matter if it is 6, 8, 11 %.....it is VERY hard to get in and therefore NOBODY, no matter how talented he/she is, can count on an acceptance to a school that is so selective in terms of odds of admissions.</p>
<p>To me, it is like the kids I advise who seek Ivy League or elite college admissions to regular colleges (not BFA schools). You have to have what it takes to join the applicant pool and to be considered. You need that to get to the "gate" but that does not mean you will get "in the gate". Admissions to the Ivy League/elite colleges can be unpredictable. They need to build a class and want a variety of kids for it and they have many more who are qualified and outstanding than can attend and so they pick and choose. If a kid doesn't get into Yale, it doesn't mean she can't get into Harvard. There is an element of a crapshoot once you make the "cut" of being qualified for consideration. </p>
<p>With BFA admissions, it is sort of the same but even worse. There is the subjective element of the audition. A kid can be qualified and that audition is off that day even. Again, they are building a class, and even potential "casts" and need some of each type. If they only want 5 sopranos, or 5 character actors, or whatever, you are only vying for those particular slots, not necessarily all the slots available. If you are a girl, the acceptance rate is tougher than a boy and so forth. When then happens, and I see it every year, is you get a kid who got into X college but not Y and then another talented kid got into Y but not X. You can't analyze that in terms of talent. What I also see OFTEN is a very talented kid got into A college that is considered more "tops" in the field but not B college a tier down. Figure that one out. You can't. It is because when the admit rates are this low, there is an element of chance involved (of course you must have the talent and credentials) and it can go one way or another. It is almost impossible to predict one's chances at ONE particular BFA program. Too much is also riding on the subjective judgement of talent and that also is another reason why it is hard to predict chances at one SINGLE BFA program. </p>
<p>But what you can do is assess someone's odds of being an appropriate candidate for the pool of applicants to BFA programs in general. When my own child applied, she tried for 8 BFA programs. Our take on it was that she was a reasonable candidate for this pool of applicants based on her background and other benchmarks and felt that the hope would be that given the odds,we would not count on any single school as coming through but that we felt and hoped that at least ONE of the 8 would. And it turned out better than that but that was the hope or expectation that she could get at least into one. That doesn't mean that by just applying to 8, it helps you get into one, but you do have to be a realistic candidate in the first place. But even if you are, the odds are very tough for BFA programs and it doesnt matter if one school they are accepting 5% and another 10% because either way, it is still quite selective so plan your college lists accordingly. These are all, for the most part, considered REACH schools. Some are more well regarded than others which may mean the odds improve a tier or two down but even then, it is still selective based on numbers.</p>
<p>You wrote: "isnt true that even wonderfully gifted students, both talent and academically gifted--do not get accepted at some colleges to which they would appear to be a shoe-in?" YES!</p>
<p>No 5pants does not know an exact statistical rate of audition/admittance at Webster. AND quite truthfully my little head would hurt if I would try...I am not good with numbers. The only numbers I have to go by are ones that I have been told..."hearsay". Which is why I suggested earlier to call the theatre departments directly and get it straight from the horse's mouth.</p>
<p>What is the importance of all this anyway? Unless one is marking notches in their bed post. I am just happy that my sons, who are both at Webster BTW, have found a program that best suits them, and they are progressing because of it. The best programs in the whole wide world can not teach certain things...such as stage presence, determination, and passion....all of which with a great deal of luck factor into being so called successful in the business.</p>
<p>SUE</p>
<p>Sue,
I am so glad you posted your thoughts because the WHOLE point in selecting schools is about which one is the best FIT for you. Yes, you must be within range of being admitted there and have to self assess which schools are appropriate ones to which to apply, but other than that, it is about finding the best matches where you feel you will fit in, thrive, like the curriculum and philosophy, and much else....with the hopeful end result that your kid is happy there and is learning a lot. That is all that matters, in my view. </p>
<p>The only reason to even be posting any "numbers" that I did was to answer the questions posed and to respond to misconceptions or attempts at misconstruing. </p>
<p>The heart of the matter, to me, at least, lies in what YOU wrote....and that is about finding the right place for YOU. THERE ARE MANY REALLY GREAT MT PROGRAMS OUT THERE! They all differ in various ways. You can get great training at them. It is a matter of finding the best fit. Some who do not go to Tisch, for example, have spoken to my D negatively about it, and does it matter? NO because she loves it and couldn't be happier with her choice. I did not care which school she picked and I had no favorite. Now that she is at this one and is loving it ,I am happy. I also now see, as I did with my other child after she has spent some time at Brown, that they really did end up picking a school that fit well with themselves. That's what it is about. It is not about one school being better than another but about the right one for you. There are many good ones!</p>
<p>I started another message regarding percentages...(my thought is that they don't always really give a valid picture of how hard the program is to get into. Each school is going to have it's own unique talent pool auditioning.)After I read 5 Pants reply I changed my post to agree with her statement that you can't teach "stage presence, determination and passion."
When it comes right down to it, these are the factors that will determine someone's success.</p>
<p>Susan,
Thanks for responding to my question so quickly and for such detailed information. I don't really feel the need to call NYU when I have you!</p>
<p>It is often confusing when mt and straight theatre figures are combined in these percentages. Often I am more interested in straight acting info than mt. But that's not always the case.</p>
<p>The Tisch advisor (a young fellow) I met with last year qouted me the figure that 60% of auditioners were there for CAP. That many of those rejected for CAP are offered spots in one the 7 remaining studios. I guess his information was partially acurate. Anyway, that is what I have been telling my students. But as you point out in your post, that only tells a small portion of the story. By the way, it is a good thing there are so many acting studios to accomodate the large number (1500-2000) of straight acting auditioners.</p>
<p>Let me say that I have had many students accepted at Tisch, in acting and CAP. Those who have chosen to attend are very happy there. And those who have graduated feel well prepared to work in the business. </p>
<p>The quality of the training these students will receive at any of these colleges is what matters most, but parents and students want to know what kind of chance they have at being admitted. I can understand that. It takes a lot of time, money and energy to prepare for these auditions. One would prefer it not be an exercise in futility.</p>
<p>Because if the subjective nature of performing arts' admissions you never know what will happen. I have been surprised many many times. But these families still look to me for guidance as to the reaches, fits and safeties. I base my opinions and suggestions partially on these numbers.This information is helpful as one element to figure in. I really do want to get it right. </p>
<p>It's kind of like these colleges put their best spin on the numbers and this board is an excellent way to find out the real truth and the sound and reasonable "other side of things" </p>
<p>Thanks for so many good pieces of advice. I will pass all these thoughts on. In turn, I will share with you all, as I gather information along the way. I am sure if it is misinterpreted or inacurate you all will be my quality contol!! </p>
<p>Thanks again for caring so much.</p>
<p>xxx,Mary Anna</p>
<p>Sue and Susan--I so agree with this philosophy. My d is not looking at schools for their selectivity. We have both researched the schools based on whether they have what SHE NEEDS. For example, she wants to be within a certain geographical area (most likely the Midwest or the West). This definitely rules out some "selective" schools, including CMU and Tisch, among others. Then again, she is an advanced dancer and choreographer, in addition to being a singer and actor. So she wants schools where she does not have to put her dance and choreography on hold for four long years! Also, she is at a certain level in each skill and wants to be able to get high quality training that will push her skills up another level, rather than ending up in a program that will not challenge her in one area. Because these are her main concerns, selectivity takes a backseat to evaluation criteria that she and I both feel is far more important. It will be her out there auditioning for jobs, not her college. She will need to present the best package that she can at that point. And she and I both want her to have had a rewarding, hard-working, and fun experience for those four years, as she moves into the "real world."</p>
<p>I have to say that I am getting pretty tired of all the "ink" and energy being spent on rehashing numerical information which in all likelihood is not going to influence too many people to apply or not apply to a particular school. If these numbers are THAT important to anyone, I agree that the only place to get them is first hand from the specific school.</p>
<p>And I would be really happy if we could refrain from suggesting that ANYONE is attempting to misconstrue ANYTHING on purpose. This is starting to feel like kids on the kindergarten playground saying "I said,..." "No, I said....." No, you said...."...........all ending with a big "Nyah-Nyah-Nyah-Nyah-NYAH-Nyah" (insert the rhythym and melody....)</p>
<p>Enough already ladies......</p>
<p>Mary Anna...PLEASE do not rely on a message board to give you the facts as much as the direct source. If you need or want this information, you should contact those in the know at the departments at schools you, your students, or your own children are interested in. I don't think schools are putting a spin on this information and often publish it. In this case, Mr. Bartow came on here and gave you the facts. I would not then return to the misconceptions brought up earlier. It is what he said it is. </p>
<p>A message board is a good resource and also people can share experiences and it is ALWAYS valuable to hear first hand accounts from other students and parents, rather than just reading brochures and so on. But the message board cannot replace the fact gathering you must do when selecting colleges. Find out directly, and not go by heresay.</p>
<p>You mentioned that you have many students who have gone to Tisch for either MT or Acting. If so, you could contact them and get their accounts as they also would be in the "know". Do you have students applying to Tisch this year? Perhaps they or you, can contact those who attend to learn more.</p>
<p>I have no idea who gave you the original info. you had but I have now heard four presentations at Tisch that gave the information I mentioned, as was clarified here by Mr. Bartow. The information you had before was inaccurate, unfortunately. </p>
<p>Have your students research the schools themselves. I know my kids did, and I helped, as a parent, but they did not get any of this information from teachers/coaches. If your students are applying to Tisch, they should be very familiar with each studio's acting approach so that they can articulate which they prefer and why. As you have had many students go through this process, I imagine you must be quite familiar with the school at this point and so you don't really need me. You are a professional in this field, must know your stuff and are experienced, and if you are advising these kids as you say, and are accompanying them to auditions (I recall you said you were going to be with Brooks and Scarlett at unifieds), then you are quite famiiar with it all by now, I'm sure.</p>
<p>I appreciate that you contribute to the Forum since you yourself have been involved in coaching kids for college auditions for some time. It helps to hear from those who do this work.</p>
<p>My thoughts....
None of my posts on this thread are to get someone to apply to NYU. Do I think it is the best place of all and that it is right for others? NO. My child likes it but I would not attempt to espouse it for others. If they need information and I happen to know it, I'll share it. It is not the best and it is not right for all. I think it is a great program and my daughter is happy there. My posts were not attempts to sell NYU on anyone. What I, and others, originally were trying to do, since we did have first hand information, was to correct any misconceptions (which surely were not intentional, I agree) so that those who come to the boards to seek information, are getting the right information. That was the intention behind responding to ideas raised in other posts. Do I personally think these numbers matter? Not really. But just trying to help explain the answers or correct any information that inadventantly is misunderstood and is being read by others who are seeking the correct information. Just trying to set some assumptions straight and I believe Mr. Bartow himself was trying to do that by posting here so that readers have the correct information. When questions are posed, I would feel remiss in not answering them if I knew the information, particularly if they are posed directly to me. We all share what we know and all the posters are valued for their contributions.</p>
<p>At the risk of being overly obsessive, let me just add...
Some audition for MT ONLY (just CAP)
Others audition for MT and acting studios (with CAP 1st choice).
Others audition for one (or more) acting studios.
Others apply (but present portfolios, I believe) for tech.
Competition for MT is the #s previously provided (1000ish or more).
Competition for acting is the remainder (1500ish or more) + those MT applicants who did not get into CAP but selected acting as a 2nd choice.</p>
<p>My son, when applying, fully intended to ONLY audition for MT. However, as he was walking into his individual audition, he floored me by saying he had changed his mind. The presentation regarding acting studios had influenced him. I don't know whether he'll stay put in Playwrights or audition for another studio for his third year, but Tisch has just fit him to a T.<br>
If your s's or d's end up somewhere where they are being challenged intellectually, personally, creatively, and are being inspired and supported, what else could you hope for? The #'s only matter to help you decide how many schools to apply to insure you find a good fit.</p>