Next steps for Dean's Scholarship

<p>Well, no one was really wrong. These situations are always fluid, since only the final decision makers can “pull the trigger”. I can totally understand the front line admissions people hedging on the dates. As all of us that have worked in large organizations know, people tend to be cautious in their statements, since it is worse to overpromise.</p>

<p>I look forward to hearing the results on the other thread I created, although I never look forward to the disappointment that inevitably occurs. But as Jeff says, it is so very competitive, virtually the equivalent odds of getting accepted to Harvard, for example. Which makes sense since the qualifications needed to win are pretty similar on the whole. And it sounds like the Paul Tulane got a lot of applicants, probably more than the DHS, which also is not too surprising. The box project seems more intimidating to most than a few short essays, I would imagine.</p>

<p>@Fallen. My son was so burned out on essays he only did the DHS. He loved the project! What in the blog makes you think more kids did the Paul Tulane than DHS?</p>

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<p>Usually the DHS gets right around 1000 applicants, so it sounds like the PTA got more. But I may be taking it too literally. I can appreciate that these high school seniors probably never want to see another application essay again.</p>

<p>I remember the year my s got the DHS the acceptance letter said there were 10,000 applicants! We later figured it was a typo, but for a while there thought our kid was REALLY special!!</p>

<p>I wonder how many EA applicants there actually were this year? I think it would be interesting to know. And Jym, your son was in the pool where all applicants, not just EA applicants, were eligible to apply, so he really was “special.” :)</p>

<p>:) He reminds us of that at every opportunity (that he is special) :)</p>

<p>Your last post gives me hope, fc. My son had an interview with Harvard (three other Ivies, too) so I am praying he’s the caliber student Tulane would consider as a recipient of one of these amazing scholarships. He was also accepted to Tulane’s Honors Program School of Engineering with a 27K scholarship. I guess we will all know one way or the other very, very soon.</p>

<p>Do you mean an alum interview or some on-campus interview? Those (the latter), I thought, were getting pretty rare, these days.</p>

<p>Congrats on your s’s honors admission and scholarship. Unless something has changed, there is no special acceptance to the school of engineering, but rather admission to the university in general. Has that changed? There is the new special combined program with international studies that has a separate acceptance, but am not aware of any other, except architecture.</p>

<p>The interviews for UPenn, Cornell, and Yale were all alum interviews. They were held at a local Starbuck’s. The Harvard interview was held in a local high school, and I believe the interviewers were all alumni as well. Of course, these were interviews…not acceptances. We will not know that information until March I think…or maybe April. I don’t know. This is my first time through this process, so we are all just learning. I think you are right about the Honors Program separate from the School of Engineering. I am getting my colleges confused. I am looking back at the letter from Earl Retif, VP Enrollment Manager, and it does state that my son was named a Presidential Scholar and was invited to become a member of the Honors Program…no mention of the School of Engineering.</p>

<p>Right. As jym says, the only school that has an additional acceptance step is Architecture, and that was new this year. The Altman program in the business school is also a selective step in addition to general admission, but even if one does not get into the Altman program there is nothing stopping any student accepted to Tulane from studying for a business degree within Freeman.</p>

<p>Your son is obviously extremely accomplished, debra. There seems little question he has the qualifications to compete for one of the full tuition scholarships. It just depends on the overall quality of the applicant pool, his project/essays, and some luck. Fingers crossed, Tulane would be fortunate to have him there I am sure.</p>

<p>Just out of curiosity, let’s say he got accepted to Harvard, Yale and/or Penn and also won one of the scholarships at Tulane. What do you think the decision would be?</p>

<p>That seems to be the $64,000 question–no pun intended! It is something we are all struggling with. My son’s major will be biomedical engineering. He thinks he wants to go to medical school. Therefore, there will be a lot of additional schooling ahead. I just feel it is wasteful to spend the money on an Ivy League education undergraduate when, in his instance, the most important thing will be his g.p.a. and his MCAT score (my opinion, of course.) I know he agrees–to a point. He is very torn. We all are. What are your thoughts on this, fc? I would appreciate your feedback.</p>

<p>Don’t worry about this until you have acceptances in hand. Many of the ivys have acceptance rates in the single digits, so admission is very difficult. Alum interviews are for the mostpart informational and will have no bearing on his admission.</p>

<p>That’s a very good point, and perhaps the decision will be made for us. I hate to admit this, but I almost hope that is the case. I think the toughest call will be if he got into UPenn because that is really the only Ivy that is known for bme. You are also right about the interviews being more informational in nature. He did ask the alum from UPenn (a doctor who did not go to Ivy for medical school) “What was the benefit of going to Ivy League undergraduate?” He responded, “I didn’t do very well on my MCATS but because I went to UPenn I got in.” Personally, I don’t think that’s a very convincing response.</p>

<p>Happy to give my feedback, but of course just my opinion. This is a subject that is so individualized in many cases, but here is how I feel about it. Jym is right of course that this might not even be an issue when it is all said and done, but makes for an interesting hypothetical.</p>

<p>First I think you have to split out the money issue as the primary decision point. In other words, if a family is very wealthy or otherwise somehow will see no significant impact from the potential high cost of an Ivy League school, then we can just put that aside for now. I recognize, of course, that families with very little means also can go to Harvard et. al. for little to no tuition costs. Again, if that were the case we can put that aside for now. If, however, like so many families a person falls into that middle zone where out-of-pocket would be quite high still, then I strongly feel that saving the money is the only sensible decision. As you say, med school (should he stay on that path) is a very expensive proposition, so anything that can be saved towards that just puts him on much stronger financial footing when he is done with it all. In many cases (not yours apparently) many people are looking at huge loan debt when done with undergrad, and that is simply a terrible mistake. But even though you are not looking at loans for undergrad even if he does not get the DHS, the principle is the same since you are looking at funds needed 4-8 years down the road.</p>

<p>If financials were not the issue, is it a slam dunk that a student should pick Ivy over a school like Tulane? In most cases students will take the Ivy invite, and that is understandable. But that atmosphere is not right for everyone. A student has to look at what is important to them for their undergraduate experience, and some just don’t like the “vibe” they get from some of the Ivies. My D was one. Now to be fair, in our case the financial considerations made the decision very easy. We were definitely in that middle “death zone” where Harvard was unaffordable while Tulane has left her (and us) debt free with regard to college costs. But she was definitely going to pick Tulane or WUSTL anyway. Something about a couple of the Ivies just didn’t suit her. And while she might be in the minority in having that feeling, she certainly isn’t alone either.</p>

<p>So if this is even an issue for your son, since right now this is all hypothetical based on getting accepted to an Ivy and/or getting the DHS/PTA, he should not hesitate to focus on what is most important to him during 4 years of undergraduate work. If he was comfortable with the feeling he got from one of those schools, then great. There is no question that the peer group and resources of these schools are among the best in the world.</p>

<p>What I wouldn’t do is use GPA and MCAT as a decision factor. I really have not heard any evidence that the brightest of students will fare any worse at Harvard, etc. than at Tulane. Yes, it is likely that the curves in his engineering courses will be harder than at Tulane, because the peer group by “definition” is overall more academically accomplished coming out of high school. But, and I have seen this many times, often students need to be challenged to perform their best. If one is able to be at or near the top of their class with less effort, human nature is to slack off some. But not always, some kids get very motivated by being one of the “big fish”. Which is one example of why this is such an individual decision. So many complicated factors. I wasn’t worried about my D in this regard, she is just naturally disciplined with regard to her work. But for me it would have been a disaster if I had not been pushed by my peer group.</p>

<p>So let’s see what all the results actually come back with, and then if there is some more narrow area that can be focused on, it would be a fun discussion. But maybe most important, don’t let it stress you. I can nearly guarantee that he will have a great experience whichever way it ends up. A very different experience to be sure, Tulane has so many unique opportunities for pre-meds and in general. As long as he dives into his work and embraces the other possibilities, anywhere he goes, it should be great.</p>

<p>Thank you so much for the wonderful insight. I truly appreciate everybody’s input.</p>

<p>fallenchemist: I know you mentioned you created another thread where results could be posted. Where can I find that thread?</p>

<p>kreativekat: I tried to pm you a response, but because I have less than 15 posts, I was unable to. I tried to contact <a href="mailto:admin@collegeconfidential.com">admin@collegeconfidential.com</a>, but to no avail. Bottom line…THANK YOU!!!</p>

<p>Here is the thread fc started <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/tulane-university/1463297-place-your-thoughts-results-dhs-paul-tulane-scholarships-here.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/tulane-university/1463297-place-your-thoughts-results-dhs-paul-tulane-scholarships-here.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>debra,
are you comfortable sharing some further info/stats about your son (GPA UW/W, SAT/ACT scores, SAT2s if taken, APs, ECs, etc)? Whil I abhor the “chance me” stuff, we might be able to better help with some of your questions.</p>

<p>Thanks for sharing the thread with me, jym626. I will be happy to share my son’s stats after we hear back from Tulane either way. I guess I’m just a little nervous and I don’t want to jinx anything. As fallenchemist said, it will all be dependent on the applicant pool and their essays/projects. What about the teacher recommendation that had to accompany the box project? Do you think that will impact the decision as well? I just think there are many highly qualified students who applied for these scholarships. Oh boy. This is really very stressful.</p>