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<p>Talk about someone not listening. I wasnt talking to you Dima!!!! I was responding to IzzieBear (unless you really ARE a girl!!) Although I did address you directly at the start of my post. So if it will make you feel less insulted you can substitute sorority for fraternity. With that being said, everything thing I stated will still apply. K?</p>
<p>I did mess up part of your post, the sisterhood part, but not all of it:
<p>If YOU read through my post Dima you would have seen that Im not insulting your sorority directly, just the way alot of the Greek Organizations are run.</p>
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At any rate, this thread has devolved into yelling about who said what when and is quite pointless. I have no problem with you calling the Greek system on your campus hypocritical, I cannot argue as I have never been to Missouri. I had a problem when I believed you were judging Greeks nationwide.</p>
<p>ray and Dima, excuse me, but I wondered if it escaped your notice that there was very sad news last week regarding the death of one of the posters on this very thread. Just surprised to see you guys still carrying on this way where he had been posting up until two days before his death. Screen name Lucifer/a Cornell freshman, aged 19, died of alcohol poisoning while visiting a frat house at UVa March 17..he was an excellent student and very popular guy originally from St. Louis with a history of alcohol problems, which you can read about in his posts on CC. It is quite easy to find his story and his obit.
Perhaps you could continue debating on the merits or lack thereof of frats on a new thread? Lucifer's voice went silent here.</p>
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<p>Ok Faline2 I am sorry about Lucifer. It is very unfortunate that such a young bright guy had to die so horribly. But in essence you have just proved my point. Who even bothered to find out an obvious underaged drinker was literally drinking himselves to death at this party. What steps are taken to insure that these types of things dont happen at other campuses? This is EXACTLY what I have been talking about!!!!! Something has to be done because this is senseless and Lucifer didnt deserve to die at a frat party because the brothers were to ****faced themselves to even care that he was underaged. </p>
<p>And I dont understand why this particular topic should be moved to a new thread. If someone wants to start a thread about the dangers of alcohol or the coorelation between alcohol deaths and Greek Organizations, be my guest. But I dont get why any one should stop talking.</p>
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<p>Apparently they weren't too far gone to walk him back to the dorm room where he was put to bed........his death bed.</p>
<p>And that just makes it so much better. There you go problem solved. No more cases of underaged people dying of alcohol poisoning because the people they were drinking with had the decency to escort them back to their dorm rooms or call an ambulance!!!! Oh I see. Get the **** out of here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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<p>Oh I read it. Im just not going to go out and start a candle lit vigil for this kid because it will change NOTHING. There will still be people dying across the country on hundreds of college campuses from alcohol poisoning. So excuse me if Im not that broken up about it.</p>
<p>Lucifer might not have died because of alcohol abuse. I'm from UVa, and I know the fraternity he went to has several cocaine users. So there;s a possibility that the death is not caused by alcohol.</p>
<p>Untitled, does that mean you doubt the coronor's report? Others have spoken of drugs possibly being there, but there was an autopsy. Details of alcohol levels were kept private.<br>
Ray, you are right in saying that his death is connected to the subject of this thread, but it was weird to see you all talking on without acknowledging his death since he was in the conversation right up till his trip down to UVa, so thought you might have somehow missed it. Many people reflected on him last week and thought a great deal about him and sent his posts to their college kids and friends.
I am very disturbed that he lost his life since an intervention might have saved it, and as a parent I feel he may have been here looking for adults and peers to confront him..many of his posts were about his drinking problems. "So excuse me if Im not that broken up about it"...is just rather churlish.
Many of us have adult friends who developed drinking problems in their late teens, became hard core addicted, and after many crises, interventions and treatment, recovered and now lead interesting lives. It can go either way. I am sorry Lucifer did not get that opportunity.</p>
<p>I didnt mean to sound so cold and unaffected by his death I also think that I was another senseless trajedy that didnot have to happen.What I actually ment was that all the acknowledging in the world is not going to stop these things from happening on college campuses. Something HAS to be done about this or there will be so many more Lucifers out there.</p>
<p>I have a friend who had Lucifer's high energy level and drinking persona in college. Last time I saw him he was in danger of losing every tooth in his head and couldn't survive a day without a fifth of whiskey..never seen anyone my age is worse shape--he rarely ate food. FINALLY the forty somethings in his life did a real intervention (what took so long, I can't say--insane that everyone enabled him so long) and he entered detox. He has been sober for two years. He is a beloved teacher and well known author. Even as a drunk, he had talent and charisma to burn but daily hurt himself and put others at risk. Now sober..he has a dazzling future. Frankly, Lucifer also presented with terrific potential to me in terms of zest for life and intellectual reach.<br>
I commend you for refusing to be "an enabler" in your college years. If only we had confronted our friend before he was in midlife.</p>