<p>and just for piece of mind....i would love to hear duke's flaws...besides the frat scene...its exisits everywhere</p>
<p>Duke premeds are competitive as are premeds everywhere. But the grade inflation makes things worse as high Duke GPAs are not as respected. I didn't like the surroundings (Durham and Baltimore are alike in many ways as both cities have a dislike for the wealthy university with bad town gown relations and both cities kind of suck with violent crimes at times). Duke's faculty are not as renowned as there are zero or close to no nobel prize winners, with also few faculty belonging to the national academy of engineering or sciences. Engineering is also god awful outside of BME . I also found less diversity at Duke due to its giving preference to instate NC folks resulting in a southern culture I didn't really appreciate at the time. I felt a lot of people there were rich WASP people similar to Princeton when I visited. And also, theres a slight inferiority complex at Duke (same at a lot of other top schools including JHU maybe a step below HYPS) as alot of people there wanted to go to Yale. I go to Stanford grad now and went to JHU for undergrad. I was in the same position as you though, and had the option of going to duke, columbia, penn, cornell, and stanford among others. I lived in Cali near San Fran so I wanted to experience the east coast for a period. This was also coupled with the fact I was admitted off the waitlist from Stanford weeks before starting school, way too late for me to renege.</p>
<p>i have to respectfully disagree with ur duke grade inflation statement...the gpa one gets at duke is well earned...i don't see where your getting grade inflation at...in fact grade deflation occurs at duke...and since i'm doing bme at duke...i'm sure engineering will be fine....the preference to instate is there but the instate are full of smart people...and for the wealthy part...i guess its comfortable for me...b/c i was brought up in that environment...but congrats on everything u have done....u've accomplished a lot...just lilke an idol!</p>
<p>with all of what u said...if duke seemed a bit downer with not as famous faculty why is duke ranked 8 while johns hopkins ranked 14? just curious....</p>
<p>although i don't intend to put it out there as harshly as my fellow dukie, devil knight, i definitely agree with what he's said...</p>
<p>GRADE INFLATION FOR DUKE PREMEDS?!?! you have to be kidding me, blah... that could possibly be the most ignorant thing i've heard this week... and i've been teaching an SAT camp...</p>
<p>med schools generally boost duke BME GPAs by approximately .2 b/c they know how tough it is... could be the same for jhu but idk... but saying that duke has grade inflation is downright stupidity</p>
<p>durham and baltimore do both suck... i think durham might actually be worse... but that really isn't a big deal... i think that duke's campus is MUCH nicer... again, that's just me though</p>
<p>and i've heard multiple times (from a couple JHU students as well) that social life at JHU SUCKS.... are u gonna say the same about duke? now, that would be hilarious if u tried that one....</p>
<p>u don't like WASPS and i don't like u... obviously, jhu is where u belong and duke is where i belong</p>
<p>by the way blah, "a lot" is two words... have fun at stanford grad school!</p>
<p>What is with you insulting people? Thanks for the grammar lesson, but maybe you need one on manners. To Devilknight: Duke may be ranked higher but look at peer assessment score which is how much other universities respect yours. In that very important regard, JHU garners a very high 4.6 while Duke garners a very respectable 4.4. For comparison, WUSTL only garners a 4.1 while UChicago also garners a 4.6. </p>
<p>To Daniel:</p>
<p>Since I have friends at Duke, and you have yet to take a single class, how can you discount my inflation comment? And wheres your .2 GPA figure coming from? I'll give you hard numbers. You know inflation is ridiculous when engineering GPAs are higher than humanities GPAs:</p>
<p>Academic</a> Honors - Office of the University Registrar, Duke University</p>
<p>Note the ridiculously fast increasing cum laude numbers. Cum laude at Duke is top 25% and the cutoff is 3.768 for engineering at Pratt. JHU's 75th percentile GPA for engineers is a 3.61. Care to argue some more?</p>
<p>I can also see why JHU rightfully admitted devilknight and not you Daniel. Don't worry, you might not have wanted JHU but we didn't want you either.</p>
<p>i'd like to think that i have more friends at duke than you so i'd know slightly better... because JHU has a lower average gpa means that duke grade inflates? that's very intelligent...</p>
<p>the .2 concept was stated by a few duke seniors on the duke forum... if u care to, go ahead and find it... actually, while you are there, read some more about the school... maybe you'll learn a thing or two</p>
<p>nice job on sucking up to devilknight now.... and by the way, i was admitted to JHU in the end about a month and a half ago after sending my letter of continued interest in case i got some financial aid... as did another person i know (this person was the one who got into MIT as well)... it wouldn't help the case devilknight was making if i posted that</p>
<p>oh and say what you want about peer assessment scores (which contribute to the total score as it is).... while they are both great schools, the fact is that duke academics according to USNWR are better than jhu's...</p>
<p>You're pathetic and a joke if you believe a 3.77 GPA cutoff for top 25% in engineering is not inflated. Furthermore, because one random duke poster states ifs safe to tack on .2 to a GPA, its definitive correct? Because he obviously is a med school adcom. Thats ****ing great logic from a college student, I mean high schooler. Duke as a university may have more resources than JHU according to US News but peer assessment says otherwise about academics. Duke is a great university but has a ways to go to match Hopkins' renowned faculty. For now, people are jumping ship. Your recent attempt at hiring and keeping just one nobel prize winner(Peter Agre from Hopkins, no less!) has failed miserably. Kristina Johnson, who also recently left, also thought highly of Duke, btw. Hopefully your essays at Duke are more cogent than the argumentative skills you've dazzled me with on here.</p>
<p>There is no purpose to this thread. If you've been admitted to college, perhaps you should get off these message boards and move past the admissions process. It's the healthy way to go. </p>
<p>Typing misinformation and slander about colleges does nothing on these boards, except to make the posters themselves look bad. Best of luck to everyone at their respective schools.</p>
<p>blah: multiple people said that, not just one... dumbass</p>
<p>and it's amazing how u will continue to justify JHU's inferior rank to duke... u continue to say that jhu is better overall b/c u have some nobel prize winners... i think it is hilarious that u continue to bring up peer assessment when duke has jhu beat in EVERY other category.... duke is 3rd in faculty resources while jhu is 22nd... duke has a student/faculty ratio of 8/1 while jhu's is 11/1... duke's average SAT is over 50 points higher... which leads to their selectivity ranking of 12th while JHU is DOUBLE at 24th... duke is 2nd in the nation in alumni giving (over 50%) while JHU is 17th... but none of that matters, right?</p>
<p>and i've dazzled you?! well, you've dazzled me as well, my friend...</p>
<p>anyways, wealthofinformation is right... this is useless... but i am just a "high school" student anyways, right? sad part is that you are a GRAD student doing the exact same thing (with worse logic)...</p>
<p>danielhstennis08...i think its time we take the high road and leave them alone. we should be happy with our university and its rankings, etc. jhu, although it has a lot of good professors, has a long way to go to match duke's infrastructure, including financiallly and competitively.</p>
<p>couldn't agree more... good luck jhu! keep working at it!</p>
<p>Should someone warn the Duke faculty that they have students (who I suspect are not representative of the student body as a whole) who lack any appreciation of the need for reliable data and the need for the application of reliable scientific methodology to data before one can draw any conclusions? Perhaps a course in civility would also be useful:)</p>
<p>I hope they enjoy Durham.</p>
<p>You need a course in sarcasm, daniel. I help out in engineering admissions at the grad level, btw. Maybe its not coincidental Duke students are admitted at a low rate. Especially if they are as illogical as you.</p>
<p>haha... well, aren't u all big and bad?</p>
<p>i'd jump in the argument but seeing as how I have 3/4ths of a college education my time is much too valuable, banter away high schoolers!</p>
<p>alonzo...the post you just made shows how much money your parents wasted on you...if u had so much time...then why did u post here! you are a hypocrite....good luck finding a job after college lol if u show such hypocrisy</p>
<p>thanks for your concern devilknight, already got a 75k/year job after taxes lined up for after graduation this fall</p>
<p>while making about 100,000 (before taxes are taken)....that may be good...but my parents make about 2 million a year...100,000 is not as much alonzo....</p>