November 2008 SAT Subject Test: Literature

<p>so wait what does ere mean in this context?</p>

<p>after reading that, I can see that the answer is indeed "quickly forgotten". Damn, I put by all those who mourn them...</p>

<p>EDIT: ere means 'before' in this context. Saying that the dead will be forgotten before they are wrapped in their funeral sheets means that they will be forgotten quickly.</p>

<p>Does anyone know the actual name of the charles on fire poem?</p>

<p>I think the name of the poem is Charles on Fire.
Borzoi</a> Reader | Authors | James Merrill</p>

<p>I didnt get to finnish a whole play set of questions. I think i'm screwed, even though the practice tests I took were soooo easy.</p>

<p>Here is the full text of the sonnet, by Michael Drayton:</p>

<p>How many paltry, foolish, painted things,
That now in coaches trouble every street,
Shall be forgotten, whom no Poet sings,
Ere they be well wrapt in their winding-sheet.
Where I to thee eternity shall give,
When nothing else remaineth of these days,
And Queens hereafter shall be glad to live
Upon the alms of thy superfluous praise.
Virgins and matrons, reading these my rhymes,
Shall be so much delighted with thy story
That they shall grieve they liv'd not in these times,
To have seen thee, their sex's only glory.
So shalt thou fly above the vulgar throng,
Still to survive in my immortal song.</p>

<p>Regarding the winding sheet, I believe the poet is saying (in simplified terms) "They will be forgotten before (ere) they are buried." This would lead to the "quickly forgotten" answer, but the words "well wrapt" seem to suggest that care is taken in their burial (someone does care for them and will thus remember them), so I understand why some believe "forgotten by all but those who mourn them" would be the right answer. I actually chose the latter as well, but I'm 90% certain that I was incorrect. It could be either, depending upon how you interpret the lines. You have to read into it a bit more to arrive at the answer I and others gave.</p>

<p>As far as the superfluous praise question goes, I think the lines "And Queens hereafter shall be glad to live, Upon the alms of thy superfluous praise." are clearly stating that queens that live in future times will be happy just to live on even a fragment (alms=money given as charity-->alms of thy praise=ostensibly a small amount of the praise given) of the praise the poet is giving to his lover. I don't remember the answer choices to the question, but my answer was decided upon this interpretation.</p>

<p>For that question about the queens, I picked the one that was about overabundance. I agree with what takeitdown said about them only wanting a fraction of her praise. I don't remember the other choices, but I had it narrowed down between overabundance and something about him not being able to praise her enough.</p>

<p>Continued to launch one, as before, in life
(Among its vaporous eddies and false claims),
Still, as one of us said into his beard</p>

<p>One Q asked what vaporous eddies and false claims meant... What did you guys put for that one?</p>

<p>Answers that I remember putting down (Please confirm, deny, or give thoughts)</p>

<p>Parent-Child Passage
-Parents are protective
-Represents what parents are going through and what children sense or something
-First line serves to .... forgot what I put </p>

<p>Daughter who runs away passage
-shift from thankfullness to confusion or something
-fortitude is defined as abillity to ....forgot what I put
-The mother blames her daughter for her actions
-The father learns that it takes more than being human to bless enemies</p>

<p>Mother to unborn child
-the term "friends" is directed to reader
-the poem is written to the father
- the future reward is the fond memories of her
- adversity and pleasure can be taken at the same time or something
-Ignorance is that they don't know when she will die or something
-death and "..." for question asking about lines 2 and 12</p>

<p>Man and Woman:
-timid lovers
-the chair is his sacrifice
- preempts something that was said before
- Women was dissinterested or something</p>

<p>Immortal Women Passage:
-women receive superflous praise
-Don't know what I put for the "what does the narrator say women will want"
- I put final lines were the conclusive statements to the lines iterated before</p>

<p>Parent-Child Passage
-Parents are protective --the consensus is that this is the answer
-Represents what parents are going through and what children sense or something - same
-First line serves to .... forgot what I put - I said something about impression of a childhood event</p>

<p>Daughter who runs away passage
-shift from thankfullness to confusion or something --I put shifts from nostalgia to something.
-fortitude is defined as abillity to ....forgot what I put --I forget what I put.
-The mother blames her daughter for her actions -- Mother blames the 2 men.
-The father learns that it takes more than being human to bless enemies -- same</p>

<p>Mother to unborn child
-the term "friends" is directed to reader --I said it was directed at herself (mother).
-the poem is written to the father -- Father? You mean husband?
- the future reward is the fond memories of her -- I said new wife.
- adversity and pleasure can be taken at the same time or something -- I said adversity comes with all joy or something along those lines.
-Ignorance is that they don't know when she will die or something -- same.
-death and "..." for question asking about lines 2 and 12 -- Death and marriage.</p>

<p>Man and Woman:
-timid lovers -- New acquaintances.
-the chair is his sacrifice -- same
- preempts something that was said before -- I forget.
- Women was dissinterested or something -- I forget.</p>

<p>Immortal Women Passage:
-women receive superflous praise --Lady receives overabundance of praise from poet.
-Don't know what I put for the "what does the narrator say women will want" -- I forget.
-I put final lines were the conclusive statements to the lines iterated before -- same</p>

<p>Bolded answers are the ones that I agree with/ or have edited for Q accuracy from Zorro's post. SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THESE!</p>

<p>Parent-Child Passage
-Parents are protective
-Represents what parents are going through and what children sense
-First line serves to .... forgot what I put </p>

<p>Daughter who runs away passage
-shift from happiness(nostalgia) to confusion.
-fortitude is defined as abillity to have stoic nature/the dad believes it is rashness
-The mother blames her daughter for her actions 95% sure it is this and not the two men.
-The father learns that it takes more than being human to bless enemies</p>

<p>Mother to unborn child
-the term "friends" is directed to reader
-the poem is written to the father
- the future reward is the fond memories of her the woman's greatest desire is to be remembered with love
- adversity and joy often accompany each other.
-Ignorance is that they don't know when or if she will die
-lines 2 and 12 are about death and marriage</p>

<p>Man and Woman:
-timid lovers I said new acquaintances
-the chair is his self-sacrifice
- preempts something that was said before
- Women was dissinterested or something</p>

<p>Immortal Women Passage:
-women receive superflous praise superfluous means overabundance of praise fromt the poet
-narrator says women will wish they lived in that time period to see this woman
- I put final lines were the conclusive statements to the lines iterated before</p>

<p>"I put Charlotte was ingratiating herself with the man because, even though she thought to herself that he was ridiculous, the following sentence said she refused to let him know, which means she took actions to appeal to him."</p>

<p>That's what I thought too. :)</p>

<p>I disagree</p>

<p>agreed wtih everything</p>

<p>except </p>

<p>Daughter who runs away passage
-shift from happiness(nostalgia) to confusion.</p>

<p>i said shift from self-congradulatoin to... something</p>

<p>Yeah I agree with you graham, thats what I meant but didn't remember the exact words</p>

<p>How was he self congratulating himself? I dont think he was at all. He actually seemed passive to me. He was gonna let his kids take care of him and let life come at him from now on since they were in the evening of their lives.</p>

<p>he was self congratulatory in the beginning but became confused later on as he did not know what to do (95% sure this one is right)</p>

<p>I dont see how he was self congratulatory. Can someone prove me wrong please?</p>

<p>i said the mom blamed her daughter because the mom said "she deceive..."</p>

<p>the father was congratulating himself on what a fine life he has. he was basically bragging about how good he had it, thus congratulating himself</p>

<p>Parent-Child Passage
-Parents are protective - ** I put uncaring, but I think I'm wrong **
-Represents what parents are going through and what children sense
-First line serves to .... forgot what I put </p>

<p>Daughter who runs away passage
-shift from happiness(nostalgia) to confusion. ** I put it was a shift from self-congratualation to sadness (or something like that) **
-fortitude is defined as abillity to have stoic nature/the dad believes it is rashness - ** That's what I put **
-The mother blames her daughter for her actions 95% sure it is this and not the two men. ** That's what I put, but I'm 100% sure the answer was actually C. Providence **
-The father learns that it takes more than being human to bless enemies ** I put he learns that forgiving enemies was the right thing to do or whatever (it was a quote from the bible) **</p>

<p>Mother to unborn child
-the term "friends" is directed to reader ** Yeah **
-the poem is written to the father ** No, I think it's a husband **
- the future reward is the fond memories of her the woman's greatest desire is to be remembered with love ** That's what I put **
- adversity and joy often accompany each other. ** yup **
-Ignorance is that they don't know when or if she will die
-lines 2 and 12 are about death and marriage
** - I thought this poem was about a pregnant women giving birth and writing a letter to her husband in case she died. (The title was like "Before her Children" or something like that) **</p>

<p>Man and Woman:
-timid lovers I said new acquaintances
-the chair is his self-sacrifice
- preempts something that was said before
- Women was dissinterested or something
** Agree with all above. Disinterested = distancing herself **</p>

<p>Immortal Women Passage:
-women receive superflous praise superfluous means overabundance of praise fromt the poet ** Superflous was directed to the queens, not the women, so I put that the poet gives her a lot of praise **
-narrator says women will wish they lived in that time period to see this woman ** yah, to see the poet's mistress themselves **
- I put final lines were the conclusive statements to the lines iterated before ** agreed **</p>