<p>Shannyc, why do you have such a hard time understanding these simple statistics?</p>
<p>IVY's LIKE DIVERSITY.
They can't take every kid from the graduation class of a school, even if all are superior and totally beat out everyone else accepted. Especially if that class totals 300. Or 150. Or 100. 30, however, is easy to acmomodate, given that all of those kids really are qualified. This is the advantage small schools (and public, for their kids are less qualified) have. Your class is 30 kids!! Andover's is 300. If all of your girls were qualified, no doubt at least 20 of them would be at an ivy. Andover's kids are qualified, and, despite the sheer mass of kids they have to get into schools to keep up that %, they do it... and admit more than 8 times as many as you.. Explain that..</p>
<p>No, I used Andover because their site has the same years (2002-2006) as your's.</p>
<p>St. Paul's (a school half the size as Andover, w/ lower average test scores) has the best matriculation rates. They have something like 45% kids at ivy's.</p>
<p>Also, Blair I don't believe any students even apply to MIT from Chapin, so they are trumping Andover without the benefit of an additional school to boost the stats.</p>
<p>You keep saying that Chapin offers the same opportunities. Could you please further clarify how they could do this with an endowment 92% smaller and ZIP FA?</p>
<p>Take a tour of the school, blairt. I haven't been to the school you're describing, but I don't think you have reason to lie. I can't use enough superlatives to describe Chapin's facilities and breadth of curriculum.</p>
<p>blairt, I said in an earlier post, Collegiate, Trinity, and Dalton class sizes triple Chapin's and 2 of them rank ahead of Chapin and Dalton still is in the top 10. These schools are closer to your schools than they are to Chapin and they do as well if not better than Chapin in regards to matriculation. They don't have to make excuses.</p>
<p>"Also, Blair I don't believe any students even apply to MIT from Chapin, so they are trumping Andover without the benefit of an additional school to boost the stats."</p>
<p>That's flawed logic. </p>
<p>Look, no one is trying to say that the best NY day schools aren't amazing schools. However, you're comparing apples and oranges here.</p>
<p>Shannyc - glad you like Chapin. My mom actually worked there many years ago, so I'm at least somewhat familiar with the school. To answer your question - I went to BucklEy - I'll forgive the typo.:)</p>
<p>Again, comparing NYC day schools to BS is like comparing apples to oranges. I have no doubt that Chapin has excellent academics, a very strong sense of community, great college placement, etc. But that doesn't make it better than BS. </p>
<p>However, BS is going to offer more diversity (ethnic, geographic, economic) than a day school. Larger course selection. Better facilities. And something that can only be gained in a boarding environment. Nature of your relationship with students AND faculty is different when you live with them. Living away from home is different than living with your parents. Not better, not worse, but different. The kind of experiences you have growing up as a teenager in NYC are going to be different than someone who spends 9 months living in Deerfield, MA or Concord N.H.</p>
<p>Also, as I've previously pointed out, you need to be careful using Ivy League placement as a proxy for which school is best, most competative, most prestigious. Many factors come into play with college acceptances, including how well-connected your parents are. None of these schools want to admit it, but if you are a quadruple legacy, your father is a VERY wealthy investment banker, or you are the son of someone powerful or famous, you're going to be treated differently than someone who has none of these hooks.</p>
<p>prpdd, I would like to finish addressing your post. One, I think we can compare Ivy placement because both of these types of schools will be heavily connected. Two, bs definitely have more land, nyc private has more resources to draw upon being located in the cultural capital of the USA, but why do you think boarding schools have better facilities? Three, as I already noted, living away from home at this age has pros and cons. I wouldn't neccessarily list this as a positive or negative. I think you said basically the same thing.</p>
<p>One - its a question of degree. Clearly there are also wealthy, well-connected legacy kids at BS. However, my sense is that there is a greated percentage at places like Chapin, Dalton, etc., so I think this tends to skew the college matriculation numbers in favor of NYC schools. Also, college admissions results are clearly an imperfect measure of which schools are the "best" or even the most selective.</p>
<p>Two - BS have better facilities because they are larger, and not in NYC, which has some pretty pricey realestate. How large is your library? Does it compare to Andover's? Do you have your own swimming pool (not limited access to YMCA or some other facility)? Most of the top BS's do. How about your own hockey rink? How many squash courts does Chapin own? How many foriegn languages do you teach? How many math electives? Again we are comparing apples to oranges here. Of course Chapin doesn't have its own hockey rink, you're in friggin NYC. Of course it can't offer as many electives as Exeter - which has something like 300 kids in a grade. But that does make BS's different than NYC day schools - not better, just different. For example, you have the ability to take advantage of NYC, they don't .</p>
<p>Three - Exactly. For some kids living away from home is a positive, for others a negative. Personally (and this is based on my own experience which is 30 plus years old) I do worry about kids who go to top day schools in NYC. I think you guys grow up to soon. From a parent's perspective, which is what I am now, I don't want my kids to be jaded, cynical and world-weary by the time they're 16. Again, my info. is about 30 years old, but in my time there were kids who were going out to bars and getting drunk, having sex and, in a few cases, dropping acid - and they were still in eigth grade.</p>
<p>I know BS also has some problems with all of the above, but my hope is the exception.</p>
<p>prpdd, good post. I don't know how many squash courts Chapin owns, but their team has seven nationally ranked players, and has gone undefeated two years running. The Anneberg Library at Chapin is a multimillion dollar, state of the art complex, and absolutely phenomenal. I really don't think Adover's library compares. As far as foreign languages Spanish, French, Latin, Mandarin, etc. Chapin is an all girls school, so they don't play Ice Hockey. But, they have an incredible all around extracurricular program, that I'm sure would rival any boarding school. The school can't be anymore rigorous academically. As far as the drugs, I have to believe bs is competitive in that arena.</p>
<p>A friend just told me about a discussion on the NY schools board on Urbanbaby.com. A poster stated it was a tough year for k-8 boys in regards to exmissions to the NYC day schools and a lot of them HAD to attend boarding schools. For most prep school students in NY, boarding schools are 2nd and 3rd options. And, I should add boarding schools are eager to admit these students.</p>
<p>edit: I just read the post myself. One of the parents said boarding without exception is always easier.</p>
<p>"The Anneberg Library at Chapin is a multimillion dollar, state of the art complex, and absolutely phenomenal. I really don't think Adover's library compares."
and compare that to a 60 million worth music building with a hand-made 500k worth fazioli piano, more than 20 practice rooms all equiped with steinway and sons....a 9-hole golf course designed by the architech who designed the golf course in the no.1 Golf resort in china (tiger woods played there a couple times btw)... and olympic standard swimming pool and so on......hmmm</p>
<p>"The athletic complex, known as the "MAC", an acronym for the Forrest E. Mars Jr. '49 Athletic Center, even though many students still prefer to call it the "AFC", for Athletic Facilities Center, houses an olympic-size ten lane pool, eight squash courts, two ice hockey rinks, two basketball courts, a wrestling room, a fitness center/weight room, indoor track, three indoor tennis courts and two paddle tennis courts."</p>
<p>btw, exeter's whopping 9-story library is the biggest high school library in the world with the most entries, just so u know, dont think chapin's library come close, maybe someone has to visit the boarding schools before making any conclusions, i bet u havnt even seen the andover library before</p>
<p>Why don't you think that Andover's library compares to the Anneburg Library at Chapin? The Andover library has all of the facilities and "bells and whistles" offered by the Chapin library including computer classrooms and study areas + has almost 100,000 more books. You criticize some people on here for making ignorant statements, yet I cannot see one reason why the Oliver Wendell Holmes Library at Andover "does not compare" to Chapin's library. </p>
<p>Also, if posters on "urbanbaby.com" say that boarding schools are "without exception always easier" or "always the second or third option", does that automatically make it true? People on CC might say the opposite. Believe it or not, there are students at Andover and Exeter who were accepted into Collegiate, Dalton etc and opted to attend a New England boarding school.</p>
<p>exeter has 160,000 + priceless collections and original letters from american revolution, original, edited manuscript A Seperate Peace, etc.. stuff from Hancock and whatnot. I don't think anyone here is fooled!</p>