<p>I have looked through this thread - it certainly did not start as one for accepted students - the heading is simply about NYU Abu Dhabi - </p>
<p>It is not possible to say that NYU is the most accepting school in the nation. How can that be?</p>
<p>are the LGBTQ faculty who will be attending “out” - it would be great to hear from them.</p>
<p>hmm 25% of the guys who attend NYU are gay.</p>
<p>AdamJones, I think the questions rainbow is posing are pretty important for some of the accepted students to the Abu Dhabi program to learn about, since one poster has already stated his gay friend is attending. No one said NYU has anything against gay people, or that their New York campus is not accepting. We are just noticing that Abu Dhabi has extreme anti-gay laws, and NYU is placing its students there carelessly. What makes YOU so sure that Abu Dhabi will not deport or arrest students who are openly gay on campus? NYU certainly hasn’t said anything about this potential problem, and their silence is troubling. Of course, they are able to sweep this problem under the rug by using the same attitude as yours: “Stop killing our buzz!”</p>
<p>As for your suggestion to write to NYU - that is completely true, and I have already sent them an email asking them about these things. That doesn’t mean that the issue is over. Some gay kids may not know about this and should be informed. Maybe a little bit more optimistically, some straight folks may care enough to send their own letter asking NYU to clarify how Abu Dhabi’s laws will effect gay students at NYUAD once and for all.</p>
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<p>wow dude u posted this link twice here and twice on another thread, along with all your NYU-criticizing posts and threads (even on the Columbia section lol). Seems like you’re very passionate about this issue! I really admire this, though I’m not quite sure if this passion is a result of your devotion to the gay rights issue or of something else…? Just wondering…
Again, if you’re really concerned about the gay issue at NYU, I suggest you contact them, go straight to the source, like panther124 did (great initiative btw, p124); you’ll save time and get a much more accurate answer, THE accurate answer I’d say. Good luck!</p>
<p>for the record - I have asked NYU for a response about what their policy will be for students who come out in Abu Dhabi - and no response
and I have asked here to the poster who identified himself as a professor in the Abu Dhabi school who also said that there would be LGBT faculty there for the names of those people to contact - it only counts if they are out-
and there has been no response at all.
I am surprised that there is no outward explanation about what polices will be followed.</p>
<p>First, I am not going to post or send you privately the name of any LGBT faculty member at NYUAD because it is not my place to give out any private information about any faculty members. Sorry. It would probably be safe to assume that if I knew there was a LGBT professor at NYUAD, it is because they made it known to their colleagues. Does that count as “out”?</p>
<p>ok - this is more or less the answer that I have - all students are discouraged to show affection in public on the Abu Dhabi program - but that isn’t really honest - because homosexuality is a crime in Abu Dhabi - and NYU is not admitting it - but they are forming a separate policy for out students - and out students will be sent home if the government finds out that students are gay - </p>
<p>so, it only counts if faculty on the program are “out” while they are there- otherwise, they are really poor role models for students -</p>
<p>Rainbow, is that the answer they gave you in response to your email? They never responded to mine.</p>
<p>P.S. I sent them the same email just now. And if it turns out that that is their official policy, I’ll make sure to email the cowards every single day to make sure they know not everyone has overlooked their choice of money over human rights.</p>
<p>It sounds like you already know the answer to your question. Of course NYU does not have jurisdiction over Abu Dhabi. No one is suggesting that the UAE has all the personal freedoms we enjoy (and perhaps sometimes take for granted) in America. NYU isn’t going to discriminate you based on your sexuality, but by choosing to attend a university in a predominately Muslim nation, you must take into full consideration the kind of culture and way of life you are about to subject yourself to. </p>
<p>While the UAE is among the most socially progressive among Arab nations, most notably on the issue of women’s rights, it will certainly take some time before gays and lesbians become more accepted. I think it is unfair to characterize NYU as homophobic simply because it has chosen to build a satellite campus in a predominantly Muslim country. The first step to build better understanding between cultures is to learn from one another. NYU AD has the potential to provide the opportunity to do so. </p>
<p>So yes, gays and lesbians are not as openly accepted around the world as in the U.S (shocker!). Be glad you were raised in America and not in the Middle East. NYU AD may not discriminate against gays, but if you are brazen enough to be openly gay in the UAE then you only have yourself to blame (and not NYU) if you are sent packing.</p>
<p>well - ok - but then I think that all who participate in the program - and especially the administrators ought to be held accountable for embarking on a program that does not support the stated mission of the university - that said, from all their exchanges in the future people should ask why did they willingly participate in a program in a place where people did not have equal access or rights? all should be looked on with disdain for participating - it isn’t like there aren’t other schools or jobs - and people who make excuses for this discrimination should be made accountable - and if people want to be known as openly hating of women, lgbtq people, Jews, or whatever else - that is their right, I suppose too - but they should be accountable for their choices - that is all - it sounds as though NYU abu dhabi folk are trying to have it all ways possible</p>
<p>Jassy12, you’re exactly the kind of thing that is keeping the world from equality. Of course NYU doesn’t control Abu Dhabi’s laws. But like rainbow said it can choose not to open a campus there, knowing that all of its students won’t be given the same opportunities. You say NYU AD can change Abu Dhabi? That’s funny - how do you change something when you try to ignore it as much as possible? Gay laws aren’t going to change in Abu Dhabi unless someone or something like NYU approaches them about them - and that certainly isn’t happening, because NYU doesn’t have the balls or heart to do so. </p>
<p>Your attitude on civil rights is extremely privileged and ignorant. To suggest “it takes time - leave everyone alone” when NOTHING is being done, you are basically saying “let them hate gays, doesn’t matter to me.” “Shocker?” Yes, it was a little more than shocking to me to find out that I was attracted to the same sex, and that if my dad found out he would kill me. It was, and still is, shocking to see so much violence around the world being committed against people because they share a trait with me. And I’m happy to see that you blame the victim - when a girl gets raped, is it her own fault for being so brazen as to wear a revealing dress? As far as I’m concerned, if a law is prejudiced or discriminatory, it is the LAW to blame for open gays being sent home.</p>
<p>Maybe it’s not us that should be glad we were born in the U.S., but YOU that should be glad you were born straight.</p>
<p>Okay, look. While I know both of you feel passionate about this issue, as do I (even though I have my cis-gendered straight privilege), this isn’t the place to discuss it. No one at NYU will read the things we write here, and interrogating and arguing with a) prospective freshmen b) other NYU students c) other NYU professors WILL NOT HELP. What WILL help is to write to the NYU LGBT office, to get someone at NYULocal or Washington Square News to cover the story, or maybe even the reporter at NYMagazine who originally wrote the NYU AD story. What will help is to write to the people who can draw attention to it. This is College Confidential, a forum mostly filled with prospective students, their parents, and the scattering of upperclassmen such as myself. </p>
<p>I can help get you in touch with people you can talk to, but intimidating the international freshmen class won’t further any causes.</p>
<p>who is talking intimidation - people should be aware of the situation - and make their decisions - and what makes you think that I haven’t contacted the NYU LGBT office? It seems that everybody at NYU is cowed behind the decision to have a campus in Abu Dhabi - whether or not it flies in the face of the rhetoric spouted about the importance of diversity -
it seems that the NYU Abu Dhabi thread is the perfect place for the discussion of NYU and Abu Dhabi
and if people choose to participate in the program - that’s great for them - but they should be aware how people will judge them -</p>
<p>Will you campaign against the other various American Universities which have satellite campuses in the Middle East then?</p>
<p>You made threads in the uPenn and Columbia sub-forum where it just sounds like you’re trying to berate NYU for having a campus in the UAE.</p>
<p>I think people are already aware of the situation when applying to a branch campus somewhere in a majority Muslim country.</p>
<p>well- NYU Abu Dhabi doesn’t bill itself as a “satellite campus” but as a free standing university - exactly the same as NYU in NY in the Villge - and no, people are not aware - I only learned about this recently - and NYU makes no mention of the specific laws
and NYU is the ONLY American University in Abu Dhabi.</p>
<p>it isn’t berating NYU - by the way - and how nice of you to follow me around the boards -
but don’t you think people should know about NYU - or is NYU ashamed?</p>
<p>@panther: “I’ll make sure to email the COWARDS every single day” (post 109)
“you’re exactly the KIND OF THING that is keeping the world from equality” (post 112)
hmm I just wanted to let you know that you should choose your words appropriately if you want to effectively fight for equality and human rights.</p>
<p>@Meadowland: good point, rainbow’s main objective is to berate NYU, this is obvious lol. All his 24 posts since he joined this forum are pure NYU criticism, lol. but hey, rainbow, keep up the good work man, that way u’ll spend less time focusing on ur college apps, very helpful if u want to become another NYU/Columbia/Upenn reject :).</p>
<p>You’re just arguing about semantics… NYU Abu Dhabi has been referred as a branch before and whether or not if its a “separate” institution makes no difference.</p>
<p>I would’ve thought laws in Muslim-majority countries would be obvious, but okay whatever - and I said in all of Middle-East, not just AD; go check Carnegie Mellon, Georgetown, Cornell and Northwestern in Qatar, or Swinburne and Nottingham in Malaysia and multiple other regions…</p>
<p>Would you argue that institutions shouldn’t set up campuses in China then? Due to human rights and restriction of freedom of speech?</p>
<p>I don’t see why you’re being sarcastic about me looking up your posts, its freely available and easy to find, but saying something like:</p>
<p>“Hi - I am hoping to find a college that really cares about LGBT issues - I had been planning on NYU - but now that I found out they are starting a campus in Abu Dhabi -where gay people are jailed, beaten and worse just for being gay- I don’t think that I would ever go there. What can you tell me about Columbia?”</p>
<p>Isn’t really rational, and making rushed judgments like that doesn’t also help. You should really listen to what some people have posted in that thread, if you’re that truly ideological then maybe college/Uni isn’t for you; and FYI Columbia has a campus in Amman, Jordan…</p>
<p>I don’t see how NYU is ashamed, they’ve actively promoted news about the campus in Abu Dhabi (although whether or not its a wise financial investment when they could’ve spent it on financial aid is a different conversation).</p>
<p>yes - there should be no full-fledged US campuses in China…</p>
<p>and because I am not interested in NYU any longer - does not mean I am berating NYU - it means I choose not to join an institution that would willingly ignore the value of diversity that US institutions frequently praise…</p>
<p>Likewise, I would have advised against any “once in a lifetime opportunity” to participate in running Auschwitz - regardless of the chance to learn another culture or gain leadership position - no matter how nice Mr. Goebbels would have welcomed me</p>
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<p>Alright then, say goodbye to all Unis with campuses abroad in China, the Middle East and whatever countries with policies you would happen to disagree on.</p>
<p>And your analogy with Unis having campuses abroad compared to the Holocaust is exaggerated beyond belief.</p>
<p>As you ignored most of my points I won’t bother conversing with you henceforth.</p>