<p>Hmm well i can tell you right now vinnyli that the ethics differentiation is practiced through all the jesuit business schools which includes Notre Dame, Georgetown, and Fordham. Anyways i think i’ve proved my point. It’s the most overrated in the top 50. Have fun at BC though Boston is super duper uber fun. I was not owned NY0rker. It’s been fun though guys!</p>
<p>BC is not located in Boston genius.</p>
<p>LOL i never implied that BC was located IN boston GENIUS = P</p>
<p>Brownbear,
Not sure why I bother responding as your comments so clearly lack any balance and perspective. However, for the benefit of other readers, let me provide a few comparisons that might better and more accurately reflect Boston College and put it in context vs peer colleges and some others that have been mentioned here. Consider the following:</p>
<p>USNWR RANK (which I believe is the basis for brownbear’s thread)</p>
<p>34 Boston College</p>
<p>True peer colleges:
33 NYU
26 U Michigan
51 Tulane</p>
<p>Other colleges mentioned:
35 Holy Cross (ranking is in the LAC category)
60 Boston University
61 Fordham</p>
<ol>
<li> STUDENT BODY STRENGTH (as measured by SAT 25/75 range)</li>
</ol>
<p>1240-1430 Boston College</p>
<p>True peer colleges:
1240-1430 NYU
1220-1420 U Michigan
1190-1370 Tulane</p>
<p>Other colleges mentioned:
1210-1380 Holy Cross
1170-1370 Boston University
1130-1330 Fordham</p>
<ol>
<li> THE SIZE OF THE CLASSROOM (% of classes with under 20 students, 20-50, and 50+)</li>
</ol>
<p>48%, 45%, 7% Boston College</p>
<p>True peer colleges:
58%, 30%, 12% NYU
44%, 38%, 18% U Michigan
62%, 30%, 8% Tulane</p>
<p>Other colleges mentioned:
55%, 44%, 1% Holy Cross
52%, 38%, 10% Boston University
47%, 52%, 1% Fordham</p>
<ol>
<li> THE FACULTY (has the school been recognized for its commitment to undergraduate teaching excellence?)</li>
</ol>
<p>YES Boston College</p>
<p>True peer colleges:
NO NYU
NO U Michigan
NO Tulane</p>
<p>Other colleges mentioned:
NO Holy Cross
NO Boston University
NO Fordham</p>
<ol>
<li> FINANCIAL STRENGTH (as measured by endowment per capita on 6/30/08)</li>
</ol>
<p>$118,852 Boston College</p>
<p>True peer colleges:
$59,235 NYU
$184,494 U Michigan
$98,488 Tulane</p>
<p>Other colleges mentioned:
$220,934 Holy Cross
$35,722 Boston University
$30,246 Fordham</p>
<p>Finally, re your comments about engineering. I hope you don’t consider the offering of an engineering programs as a prerequisite for a college to be highly considered. The fact is that engineering is usually a very small part at many elite universities, eg, only Cornell among the Ivies graduates a senior class with more than 7% engineering grads, and even is non-existent for undergrads at some highly ranked public unis, eg, U North Carolina.</p>
<p>BrownBear1: Boston College is nowhere NEAR the most overrated school on the top 50. I can name ten colleges in the top 50 that are MORE overrated (or over-ranked, the more correct term) than Boston College, but I won’t because they are all great schools.
And I’m going into finance and would like to take internships at NYC/Boston/Hartford area before getting my law degree, so a Notre Dame and Georgetown degree would not be much better than a Boston College degree (alumni network at Boston College is VERY strong in the area). Plus, like I mentioned before, it is closer to home and has good local prestige.</p>
<p>Teh heh - BrownBear wrote: “The main point is that academics their are average and no different than most of the top 100 schools.” Academics ‘there’ at BC may be average, but average is better than BB’s grammar score. Perhaps had BB applied and attended he would have learned the differences between their, there and they’re. Perhaps BB never applied for a reason.</p>
<p>you can say all you want BUT my statements and comments are true. My tantrum is finished and i proved my point. Its been fun guys! we should do this again! YAY</p>
<p>
</p>
<p>Because you haven’t provided any reasoning whatsoever. It’s pitiful.</p>
<p>You aren’t making arguments, you’re making assertions.</p>
<p>“BC is overrated, BC is overrated <em>WHINE</em>” does not constitute a compelling argument against BC’s worth.</p>
<p>Well i proved my argument because no one provided a meaningful response. Please do not respond anymore…just let this thread die. I had a good run though. = ) but i’m so sad it has to end = (</p>
<p>Brownbear,
In response to your repeated requests for documentation about why BC is a quality place and is not overrated relative to peer colleges (NYU, U Michigan, Tulane), I gave you some hard data points. Now the onus is on you to provide some substantiation to your claims. Without that, you’ve proved nothing…except that you lack the intellectual heft to present a winning argument. </p>
<p>And please change your moniker. You’re an embarrassment to Brown.</p>
<p>I dont care about either side, but atleast BC has a strong sports program where NYU has none.</p>
<p>The intellectual heft? sorry but your data set is pathetic in trying to justify BC’s academic strength. BC does not have strong academic programs besides business and it shows in program rankings which is why I render it an average institution. I’ll keep my name thank you. Please let this thread die!</p>
<p>Hawkette: In what manner has the faculty at BC been “recognized for their commitment to undergraduate teaching excellence”?</p>
<p>hawkette-- he’s not at Brown yet, and I see many failed papers in his future if this is all he’s got for reasoning skills.</p>
<p>1980college,
In 1995, USNWR did a survey similar to today’s PA surveys. Here is how they framed it:
“In recognition of the widespread public concern about the quality and effectiveness of teaching on the nation’s campuses, USNWR this year asked presidents, provosts, and deans of admission to select the 10 schools in their category where the faculty has an unusually strong commitment to undergraduate teaching.” The results are posted below. </p>
<p>The matter of what a student will encounter in the classroom is one of the least appreciated elements of the college search process. A school may have a pristine reputation within academia, but the reasons for that rep often have little to nothing to do with undergraduate education. Posters who cite PA scores as “proof” that X College has superior academics to Y University are fooling themselves that this statistic is a proper barometer of what a student will encounter at either X or Y. </p>
<p>For students who are interested in a quality classroom experience, I strongly advocate that one explore this and prioritize this in the college search process. As it relates to the USNWR Teaching Excellence results, I would suggest that students reaffirm that this same commitment exists today at these colleges. My personal view is that the results would be different today for several of these schools, particularly those that may be experiencing some financial squeezes from various sources. </p>
<pre><code>NATIONAL UNIVERSITIES
</code></pre>
<p>1 Dartmouth
2 Brown
3 W&M
4 Rice
5 Princeton
6 Stanford
7 Duke
8 Miami U (OH)
9 Notre Dame
10 Yale
11 U Virginia
12 U Chicago
13 Emory
13 UC Santa Cruz
15 Vanderbilt
16 Boston College
17 Harvard
18 Northwestern
19 Caltech
20 Wake Forest
20 U North Carolina
22 BYU
22 Wash U
24 Georgetown
24 Tufts</p>
<pre><code>LACs
</code></pre>
<p>1 Carleton
2 Swarthmore
3 Williams
4 Grinnell
5 Amherst
6 Earlham
7 Haverford
8 St. John’s
9 Colorado College
10 Davidson
11 Oberlin
12 Pomona
12 Wellesley
14 Bowdoin
15 St. Olaf
16 Bryn Mawr
16 Macalester
18 Bates
18 Middlebury
18 Reed
21 Kenyon
21 Spelman
23 Smith
24 Sewanee
25 Centre</p>
<p>Modestmelody,
I agree on brownbear. I think he is giving y’all a bad name.</p>
<p>Yay, Prestige whores! Yay!</p>
<p>You’re nuts!!</p>
<p>college ranking are influenced by a lot of components that are not academic/financial. just because a school is ranked high does not mean you will be satisfied attending. You make the most of the college depending on how much you want out of it. If you look down at a certain school, obviously it won’t be any good.</p>
<p>Boston College is not overrated…nor is it underrated. It is a highly respected university, as well it should be. BC has solid programs accross the academic spectrum, and excellent BBA program, loyal and successfull alumni, great athletics (Football and Hockey), a very nice and ideally situated campus, etc… I don’t see how or why it would be considered overrated. BC is comparable to schools like Brandeis, College of William & Mary, Tufts and the University of Rochester. It is not quite as strong as Georgetown, Notre Dame, Rice, Vanderbilt or Washington University, but it certainly isn’t far behind.</p>
<p>What does BC stand for? Can’t be THAT overrated if I’ve never even heard of it</p>