<p>Thanks for bringing that up. However if you look over all the posts you will see that there are a lot of very gifted people that did not get accepted into UVA. It has been noted that UVA admissions operates in its own universe-- I am glad you got in-- I am still waiting to hear-- no need to throw salt in the wounds of those that did not get in.</p>
<p>I wasn't trying to throw salt in the wounds. It's just that there are admitted students on here again, and it's nice to put VA's tax dollars into work. And while admissions is sort of a crapshoot, there's always a reason someone gets in and someone doesn't. I guess it's comforting to know they don't just throw the applications down the stairs and which ever land facing up are in =P</p>
<p>look at bait&switches post and and tell me they don't throw the apps down the stairs and pick the ones that land face up--or face down--which ever the wind blows-- look at the big picture</p>
<p>I totally, 100% agree that on the surface, he seems like a great candidate. But it seems like UVa, as other schools, were really trying to downsize admissions. According to the admissions website, over 2200 application were recieved for only about 675 spots. A majority of those spots are for CAS, my guess is ~500. Some of those spots were probably given to CC students who met the GT Agreement, so that reduces the number again. Also, he was applying for second-year status, and CAS gives preference to third-years, so that's another blow. It really sucks, but there just wern't enough spots even for great applicants like him. But the universities would be huge and overwhleming if they admitted every qualified applicant. If I were him, i'd call up the office and find out exactly why he was rejected, but that's just me. It'd be interesting to know their reponse. On the other hand, i've dealt personally with the admissions office multiple times, and they were very warm, friendly, and helpful, so it'd be worth a shot for him to try.</p>
<p>Bait&Switch, I think you said you were an IS. If you are not at a VCCS, I would transfer to one and fulfill the requirements of the articulation agreement. Shoebox is correct in stating that they prefer Junior standing transfers. Don't give up hope or be discouraged! Look at the brightside, you will be saving approximately 70% in tuition and fees at a VCCS and you will still eventually graduate with a diploma that says UVA!
Shoebox, CONGRATULATIONS!!!!! I am thrilled for you!</p>
<p>Bait&switch was likely rejected because of his relatively low number of credits taken (36). If he reapplies after having had another 15-30, he'll get in.</p>
<p>I find it pretty sick that no matter how hard you try, its close to impossible to get in UVA as an out of state. I worked my butt off fall semester to get a 3.9 gpa, and am working my butt of again this semester taking hard courses (i have a 3.9 again this semester) and still I can't get in because of the stupid privileges it gives to its in-state students. Plus, the fact that I'm OOS AND an International is already a handicap. A sweet example of racial discrimination. Of course I could have gotten in if my gpa were a 4.0 instead of a 3.9 and if I had a better SAT score (maybe an extra 50-60 pts) but the fact is, as an international you need to be super qualified to get in as opposed to being just qualified as an IS. </p>
<p>Sorry, just needed to release my frustration. I want my $65 application fee refund!!!</p>
<p>Nick,
That is why we pay our state taxes. You have instate schools which give pref to IS. I am sorry you are so frustrated. Good luck. You will do fine no matter where you go, especially with impressive stats like yours.</p>
<p>Being an International, but OOS too (been living in NJ for 5 years) I dont even get IS status for my state university. That's why its doubly frustrating!! At least I got in UMich which is quite comparable to UVA. If I had been waitlisted from there too I would just give up college and go live as a monk in the wilderness of Burma.</p>
<p>Nick, I feel your pain. It sucks when the playing field isn't equal, even if there's a good reason for it.</p>
<p>I am, in fact, a VCCS student. But I have zero desire to complete my AA degree at my school. Firstly, as an independent student, the cost here is hardly a tangible advantage over what I would pay at UVA. Secondly, I wanted a 3-year experience in Charlottesville, as it takes a year - minimum - to become familiar with a new setting, and the "hey! I'm here! ...and now I'm leaving" 2-year experience feels 'thin' (because I had to do it in HS. I also don't want to be thrust into major-specific studies immediately upon arrival). </p>
<p>"I wasn't trying to throw salt in the wounds. It's just that there are admitted students on here again, and it's nice to put VA's tax dollars into work."</p>
<p>And how many of those tax dollars are the result of YOUR hard work? Because I personally have paid $50,000 to VA in the last 5 tax filing years. Don't worry- you can have my resources, as I apparently won't be needing them. </p>
<p>"there's always a reason someone gets in and someone doesn't."</p>
<p>Like a half-decade of someone's young adult life literally sacrificed for the good of the group? Would that be a reason not to get in? Or was my 6 year-old SAT score 20 points too low? Congratulations on your acceptance, but beware of the fact that you are starting to acclimatize yourself rather quickly to that infamous self-important UVA attitude. I would never suggest that someone received an admission because they attended a school that was recently attacked, so don't allow yourself to suggest that someone like me wasn't admitted because I wasn't "qualified" or "smart enough" to study at the University of Virginia.</p>
<p>Shoebox- Congratulations! I'm thrilled for you! Don't worry about your parents...I'm sure they'll be very proud of you - and hopefully very supportive. Everyone on this board knows how much this means to you, and I'm sure you won't have any trouble conveying that same passion to your parents. Best of luck next year!</p>
<p>MightyNick- Sorry things didn't work out with UVa. If it's any consolation, I grew up in Chicago (went to Northwestern many years ago) and have had many friends and relatives at UMich. It's a fabulous school and everyone I've ever known that went there just loved it! Honestly. I'm sure you'll have a great experience there. Best of luck to you.</p>
<p>bait&Switch: I totally understand the three-year want. I knew if I didn't get in, I wouldn't try again. As for your independent school conflict, maybe you could look into an actual CC that's much cheaper, thus saving your money for a 4-yr. As for the tax dollars, my parents have been paying VA taxes for 22 years now, and as a dependent, they pay more taxes based on me living under them in VA.
As for your decision, I agree with everyone, your stats were good enough for UVA, especially since you're IS. My only conclusion is that the CC agreement might have filled too many CC spots and UVa wanted to offer spots to 4-yr students. I truely don't know, but I definently suggest calling or emailing them and finding out. There are some wonderful people in the office, and they might be very supportive. If you do chose to contact them, please let us know what they say, if you want to. Also, I in no way think your stats are too low. And I wasn't trying to make myself seem above anyone here. But I wanted this very badly, and I think in the end it showed through. In no way do I think you didn't deserve this, and frankly, I hope that universities would try to support people in your situations. But as Cavilier said, CAS does prefer applicants with 2 years of work. You definently have the scores, achievements, and are fully "qualified", but UVA only had so many spots to offer. Who knows, they might have filled every single spot with either a CC applicant under the agreement or with third-years. There's no way to know. My best suggestion: apply for spring admissions. With those stats, it'd be hard for them to reject, or even WL you, and at that point you'd almost completely fill requirements, and you would only miss out on one semester.</p>
<p>Also, please don't bring up the idea that what happened here at VT affected my decision. I highly doubt it did because my friend knew two people who were WL or rejected from here. I never said you didn't have awesome stats, I just said UVa has a number of spots to fill and has certain creiterions to fill at the same time (such as entering third-years and those under the CC agreement). So please don't use something that was so hard to comprehend as a student, and something that i'm still struggling to get over, as an outlet for your anger over your admissions. You'll never understand what it was like to not only experience that in the safety of a college campus bubble, but on top of that, know multiple victims. I will rear my ugly side on here if this issue is ever raised on here again, whether it is directed at me or not. And I REALLY do not want to do that, it is not who I am, but I will stand up for this.</p>
<p>Bait&Switch.
You describe yourself as entitled. Clearly. And that's a shame. My husband has served in the military for the past twenty-seven years, but never, in all that time, has he ever expressed or displayed any sense of entitlement for that service. And, IMHO, neither should you.</p>
<p>As for your UVa decision...I'm sure you feel you're light years ahead of many of the other applicants on this board. And maybe, in real life experience, you are. But maybe, just maybe, that wasn't enough to offset the fact that you only have a year of college credit under your belt. I may be wrong, but it's my understanding that most transfers are at least a year beyond that. I can understand your desire to have three years at UVa, particularly since you split your high school years between two schools (been there, done that, with all three of my kids), but, unfortunately, that seems to be the norm for a transfer student...</p>
<p>In short, I understand your frustration, but this is not the time nor the place to attack those who are celebrating tonight. And to be frank, the VTech comment was way out of line... </p>
<p>Be proud of your service - you should be. Be proud of your accomplishments - which are apparently numerous. But do the rest of us a favor, will you, and keep your bitterness to yourself.</p>
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<p>That is a bit too harsh and snarky.</p>
<p>There is nothing unreasonable about the sentiments Bait & Switch has expressed given his unique situation.</p>
<p>Who is confused here? </p>
<p>Did I or did I NOT say that I would NOT be someone who would suggest something of that nature- i.e. discrediting someone with a bogus statement? shoebox10 threw a hurray! clip in to the middle of a rejection discussion and then claimed that people do or do not get in "for a reason". I was merely reminding this individual that, intentional or not, calling on circumstantial evidence such as 'someone's apparent inability to get in' hardly proves any point about them, and often lacks class. The analogy I used clearly grabbed attention, but the point I was making with it escaped some of you. Please read it again. </p>
<p>In regards to the whole "You'll never understand" soapbox, I was a United States Army Ranger. I have friends and brothers who are now dead. I understand completely. </p>
<p>Furthermore, when did everyone decide that an entitlement carried a negative connotation? A day's work for a day's wage. This is all that I am suggesting. The Virginia Tech episode perfectly encapsulates my attitude and the issue I take with your perspective: 33 students were killed, and the entire nation stopped to mourn, and is still mourning, and will be mourning for some time. In April, 104 U.S. servicemen and women were killed, and no one batted an eye. There is this quietly prevalent idea that our military are a group of human beings that are somehow less human- and less important - then, say, a group of college students (I cannot begin to recount the number of times I was in the company of college students who were under the impression that I was also one, and who, upon discovering I had enlisted instead, treated me with indirect contempt as an inferior). These public servants and leaders are "seen and not heard"; they are programmed to believe that if they act like they are actually the ones historically responsible for the lion's share of our national prosperity, that this would somehow be very wrong, when it is, in fact, very right. They are boasted about with the tongue, but abandoned in the mind and in the heart. I was a white-collar, college-bound kid who instead lived a blue-collar life for almost a half-decade. I hated it, but I did it anyways. I bled, I sweat, I cried. And yet you rest on your free-speech laurels that I have literally defended, and reprimand me for desiring systems that simply reward effort given. Who is displaying a sense of entitlement now?</p>
<p>Realizing these statements were long, I just wanted to respond in kind, and stick up for what I had hoped to communicate.</p>
<p>I do not wish to come across as tactless, rude, or anything less than gracious. This is, in fact, why I asked shoebox10 to be more considerate of those who are confused and aggravated, by allowing us discussion without ill-timed horn-blowing. If I have ruffled anyone's feathers, so to speak, I offer my sincere apology.</p>
<p>shoebox, I'm a parent of a current UVA student, and I read the UVA forum from time to time. I just want to say that I was really pulling for you and am thrilled that you got an acceptance letter. Congratulations to you and all the other accepted transfer students!!! </p>
<p>I'm very sorry that not everyone got the good news they were hoping to hear.</p>
<p>Bait&Switch,
Two weeks ago my husband was on the ground in Iraq. Tomorrow he leaves for a trip to Afghanistan and Pakistan. He's deployed five times (eight months each time) and fought in combat twice. He flies the F/A-18...like the Blue Angel that crashed in the airshow last weekend. We've lost many friends over the years - so many that each and every day as he leaves for work, I honestly wonder if he'll be coming home that night. And I've been living like that for twenty five years. </p>
<p>Believe me, I know all about how people view those in the military. And I know more than I'd like to about the sacrifices involved. Which is why I would be the last one to imply that you should be anything less than proud of your service to our country. Many of your points are well taken - I only wanted to make the point that perhaps that was not the most important factor used in the admissions process.<br>
Maybe it should have been.<br>
Your accomplishments are laudable and I'm sure with a few more credits under your belt, you will have a superb chance of getting in. I say "will" because I hope you choose to go that route...as someone on this thread said, any university community would benefit greatly from your presence.</p>
<p>Best of luck to you.</p>
<p>Bait&Switch: I get defensive at any mention of the tragedy giving advantage to VT students, so I apologize for the quick statement, but its how I interpreted it. As for you, I really did not want to come across that you were flawed and it was you and your choices/decisions/life/ectectect that didn't get you in. If that was true, well, we're all screwed =P Instead, I was merely pointing out that UVa has certain kind of students that it wants to admit (namely, third years). Is it your fault you're not finishing up an AA? Heck no, it's just how you've been living. Is it UVa's fault they don't really want to take second-years, especially with the transfer agreement in place this year? Yes, obviously, since they decided it. You're a perfect applicant, from what we can see, but UVa was wanting something else (third years). And for all we know, they might have filled the entire CAS transfer class with tranfer agreement applicants or third-year applicants. We'll never know. But that's the only logical reason I can see that you didn't get in, and that in no way is your fault, and you should really be proud of everything you've done. I really hope you apply for spring: by then, you'll be much closer to having 60 credits under your belt, and with a 4.0, and you'll be the above-average applicant. Again, you're not necessarily missing anything, other than a few credit hours. Is this your fault that it kept you out? No, its just that UVA does prefer third-years, and they might have filled up every spot with third-years. That's probably the only reason they rejected you, because IMO, as with everyone else, your stats were awesome. I really hope you contact them, figure out exactly what the reason was (if you want I can pass along a name and an email of a lady i've been contacting often, just PM me), and apply for spring admission. I spent the last two months on this board, worrying about admissions, and there has been a ton of support. Obviously, people reconize me on here and have been "pulling" for me. But now, i'm going to shift that support to you: go for spring admissions. You'll make it :)</p>
<p>I would just like to add that its not impossible to get in out of state. Are internationals really shafted that much? I would assume that if you have residency it wouldn't make a difference. I don't really know as much about UVA's admissions policy as I do about other schools but I will never be able to understand why public schools continue to move to this "guaranteed admission" thing for community college students. I suppose this is some sort of leveling out the playing field amongst the classes of people, but I think its really unfair to more qualified applicants from out of state. Also, it isn't as if once you get in from out of state that its cake from there. You still end up paying over 35K a year.</p>