@What??? like others have said, clinical experience can be quite broad in nature but does involve your son experiencing what it’s like to be in the medical field preferably with some exposure to what a physician does on a daily basis! good luck to you both applying this cycle.
@bswids Thanks for sharing and letting others who are in the wait list to know. But more from info point of view, if it is ok with you to share, are you taking up some other BS/MD program of your choice or decided to pursue the regular BS path or decided to pursue non-medicine career path?
Never mind. You have posted you are taking up Brown PLME. Thanks.
@What???!!
Perhaps “clinical” is not the best word to describe it but “consistent experience in medical activities” e.g. Applicants must be able to demonstrate volunteer activity in a medical area. Preferably, applicants will be able to demonstrate at least one consistent medical volunteer experience. Volunteer activity in a non-medical area is of value, but is not afforded the same weight as consistent medical volunteer work. BTW, Scientific research in medical field can also be part of the consistent medical work/interest and bolster your application.
@bswids @GoldenRock BU SMED doesn’t have a waitlist, so no one else will replace you… Just thought I would let you know.
@pnwmed, that’s very surprising with BU. So if they have 7 total slots in the BS/MD program (making this up), and 3 people reject the offer, they’ll just take 4 people instead who accepted and completely nix the 3 spots? That’s crazy.
@Roentgen BU commonly accepts up to 40 people and anticipate only ~25 students accepting so they have no need for the waitlist
@tunetheday, I guess I don’t see how that matters. If all 40 people they gave acceptances to, then accepted, then they’d be taking all 40 BS/MD students. Just like students don’t get their #1 choice in terms of school, schools don’t necessarily get their #1 choice in terms of applicants, so most schools just go with the next best one. What BU is doing is more taking the ball and going home, just because they didn’t get their top choice, unless they’re converting it to a traditional spot. Most other schools already have in place the exact number of initial matriculants into the class that fits LCME guidelines/approval, taking into account attrition later (which can’t be replaced). I’ve never seen a med school do what BU does.
@Roentgen even RPI/Albany does this…
Pretty amusing I had a friend that got in there this year he said last cycle they gave 40 acceptances + offered more from a waitlist and only 13 attended.
@roentgen - I believe NU HPME follows the same policy with no waitlist. Essentially they are accepting a certain number with the expectation of a specific yield with no waitlist. They are ok with whatever number show up with a cap if there is 100% yield. Since these programs are internal to each school, they assume that those seats just become available for the regular MD class. In fact HPME kept reducing the numbers from about 40+ seats a decade ago to almost 15 or so these days. 3 years ago they went to 25 or so but cut back again from what I have heard.
Thank you @1CRYZX and @texaspg!! I’m really surprised. I mean I understand not taking more people above the already specific set number of slots allocated, as the number who are left to enter into the MS-1 class can vary, and you can accidently end up with more people than you expected, if attrition does not pan out. That’s pretty sad @1CRYZX, if RPI/Albany had 40 spots (It used to be a 6 year program actually), and only got in the end, 13 people to attend!! And I doubt it was always because of all of them having another BS/MD choice. Rensselaer is actually very highly ranked at the undergraduate level and it’s more for those looking at Physician Scientist careers: http://admissions.rpi.edu/undergraduate/academics/pdf/phys_science.pdf
But there has always been demand, to where if one person won’t go, someeone else will go right in their place. I guess it’s way different with UMKC just because the entire med school is based on the 6 year model, and that MD-onlys are more only there to make up for any attrition that occurs in Years 1 & 2. I know at the traditional AMCAS application level, there are definitely waitlists. So like you guys said, maybe it just gets shifted to the traditional track side.
There was a journal article I believe in which traditional track med students and HPME med students at Northwestern were compared and saw that HPME made slightly lower board scores: http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/ama-wire/post/heres-students-combined-ba-md-program-really-perform; http://journals.lww.com/academicmedicine/Abstract/2016/02000/Academic_Performance_of_Students_in_an_Accelerated.32.aspx (it used to be a free open access journal, I don’t know what changed recently). So I’m not actually really surprised that NW has cut seats from HPME. Brown actually done similar with PLME, in an attempt to get more traditionals in the class: http://www.browndailyherald.com/2007/01/20/committee-to-examine-plme-program-in-light-of-med-school-changes/.
Just writing to let you all know that I just committed to PPSP for this coming fall! I was fortunate enough to be admitted off the alternate list and am ecstatic to be able to call Cleveland my home for the next eight years!
@Roentgen
How relevant (actual changes made or in progress) is the article from Brown relative to PLME which dates back to January 2007…,“Committee to examine PLME program in light of Med School changes”
@eclucas98 Congrats!!!
Thank you @IfnousWHO!!
@texaspg HPME actually does have a waitlist. I know someone who is on it this year
@IfnousWHO, I believe in the past Brown students didn’t even take all the science courses that premeds took before entering Brown Med (now Warren Alpert). Even some of the “premed” requirements were either watered down or taken out (i.e. second semester of Organic was not taken). By now, all changes have probably already been made since that article was in 2007. You can see the Brown PLME handbook here for Class of 2019, since 2020 isn’t up yet: https://www.brown.edu/academics/medical/plme/sites/brown.edu.academics.medical.plme/files/uploads/PLME_2019_Handbook_binder.pdf. I doubt it will change much in a year, if at all.
I just brought up that article as they were trying to increase the class size, while not increasing the PLME group (thus more traditionals). You can see from here: http://www.browndailyherald.com/2009/11/09/policy-change-rankles-plmes/ – “Each year, the University enrolls about 50 PLMEs. Incoming Med School classes total around 100 students.” So a huge portion of the Brown Med class has always been those in PLME.
Yes, Brown medical school continues to grow. In 2013 there were ~120 seats and I think in 2016 the incoming class is 140. The average PLME class remains steady (~55) thus as incoming class increases the % of PLME relative to overall class has reduced a little (~39% = 55/140).
Med School
2016: 140 seats
2013: 120 seats https://www.tradelineinc.com/reports/2013-11/warren-alpert-medical-school-building
10 Most Competitive Medical Schools
http://www.usnews.com/education/best-graduate-schools/the-short-list-grad-school/articles/2016-03-17/10-medical-schools-with-the-lowest-acceptance-rates
Just thought I would point out that you shouldn’t base med school quality on acceptance rate. Of course Alpert is a good medical school but Florida State is on there and it is not very good.
@1CRYZX, yeah I honestly don’t understand why even come up with a list like that. No one cares. Those at the residency level don’t care. Some of those are California schools (so duh - a) location and b) a lot of people from CA apply to med school), some of those are ones which are known to take out-of-staters or those who take people if you do their post-bacc program. It plays absolutely no role at the residency level.
@svnya123 - I think someone told me this last year also and I wasn’t sure because they used to say no waitlist. Do you know how many they admitted and how many are on waitlist?