Official University of Pennsylvania ED 2007 Decisions

<p>Decision && School: Accepted SEAS</p>

<p>Stats:[ul]
[<em>] SAT Verbal: 660
[</em>] SAT Math: 780
[<em>] SAT Writing: 700
[</em>] SAT Total: 2140
[<em>] SAT II: Math II - 800 (joke of a test), Physics - 730
[</em>] AP/IB taken/scores: None
[<em>] GPA weighted: 5.something
[</em>] GPA unweighted: 3.7
[li] Rank or % estimate: 22/365</p>[/li]
<p>[/ul]Subjective:[ul]
[<em>] Essays: Pretty good
[</em>] Teacher Recs: Probably good
[<em>] Counselor Rec: Who cares
[/ul]Location/Person:[ul]
[</em>] State or Country: New Jersey
[<em>] School Type: Public
[</em>] Ethnicity: White
[<em>] Gender: Male
[</em>] Legacy Yes/No: Yes
[<em>] Recruited Yes/No: No
[</em>] Important ECs: Class President 4 years, Mband (senior year only... im not that much of a geek, haha) national champs, Interact Secretary, Rock Band, Beer Pong Champ '06</p>

<p>[/ul]Other Factors:Interview (my person was kickass), Legacy, Luck</p>

<p>accepted to college a and s</p>

<p>Stats:
SAT Verbal: 630
SAT Math: 710
SAT Writing: 570
SAT Total: 1910
SAT II: math 680 . literature 470 no lie.. bio 570 .. history 700
AP/IB taken/scores: never got a five on an ap exam...
GPA weighted: dont know
GPA unweighted: dont know
Rank or % estimate: 8/184 all boys catholic private school</p>

<p>Subjective:
Essays: badass
Teacher Recs: my teachers hate me for sleeping thru their classes
Counselor Rec: i dont know
State or Country: texas
School Type: Parochial
Ethnicity: vietnamese
Gender: M
Legacy Yes/No: n
Recruited Yes/No: N
Important ECs: you name it . i COULD be in it.. :)</p>

<p>Other Factors:hmm when i find out..ill let you know</p>

<p>lol i swear u crack me up men lol....i like the sleeping thru class thing...mah teachers have thesame problem with me...but are amazed that i still do better dan moost kids in the class</p>

<p>I can't believe charmin got in with those horrible stats. YOu guys are either lying, or Penn has lost their minds</p>

<p>hahaha...see i told u charmin....dulce is really nice...lol</p>

<p>I think the whole thing is that schools typically dont like people that are antisocial or are all into books and ****. Have fun in high school, things turn out for the better. Admissions people know when all you do is study all day. My schedule includes 8 periods... This year I sleep through an average of 3 per day and do about half of my homework.</p>

<p>one hooohaaa to all that sleep in class and do half their hw...and still get into an ivy league lol haha</p>

<p>Accepted to Wharton</p>

<p>Stats:</p>

<pre><code>* SAT Verbal: 760
* SAT Math: 800
* SAT Writing: 750
* SAT Total: 2310
* SAT II: 760 (Biology M), 760 (Math 2), 730 (US History)
* ACT: N/A
* AP/IB taken/scores: 4 US History, 4 World History, 5 Biology, 5 Calculus AB, and I am taking 5 AP classes this year
* GPA weighted: 102.4
* GPA unweighted: 98.7
* Rank or % estimate: 1/275 (see below)
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<p>Subjective:</p>

<pre><code>* Essays: Pretty good, I showed them to my mom before I submitted them and she was in tears after reading my personal one (then again she is pretty emotional)...I wrote three because I used the CommonApp and did the optional essay
* Teacher Recs: Excellent, both teachers sent them to me even though I had waived my right to see them
* Counselor Rec: NO idea...I met him the day before he wrote the recommendation for me
* Hook (if any): I moved high schools from Georgia to Illinois for my senior year of high school
</code></pre>

<p>Location/Person:</p>

<pre><code>* State or Country: Illinois (but they might count me as a GA student since I really have no record in IL)
* School Type: Public
* Ethnicity: Caucasian
* Gender: Female
* Legacy Yes/No: No
* Recruited Yes/No: No
* Important ECs: Mock Trial (captain), swimming (captain), an environmental club (president), Community Service, NHS, National Merit Semifinalist, and getting involved at my new school
</code></pre>

<p>Other Factors: LUCK and the fact that I had the entire UPenn website memorized and it probably showed in my Why Penn? essay. </p>

<p>General Comments/Congratulations/etc: Relieved as I had not really started my other applications</p>

<p>ACCEPTED/Wharton: </p>

<p>Stats:
SAT Verbal: 740
SAT Math: 800
SAT Writing: 770
SAT Total: 2310
SAT II: Math IIC: 790, Chemistry: 750
ACT: n/a
AP/IB taken/scores: Calculus AB: 5, Chemistry: 5, World History: 5, Biology: 5, US History: 5
GPA weighted: N/A
GPA unweighted: 4.0
Rank or % estimate: 1/409</p>

<p>Subjective:
Essays: Great, wrote about tennis and wharton
Teacher Recs: Fantastic
Counselor Rec: Wonderful
Hook (if any):N/a</p>

<p>Location/Person:
State or Country: MA
School Type: Public
Ethnicity: South Korean American
Gender: Male
Legacy Yes/No: No
Recruited Yes/No: No
Important ECs: NHS President, SNHS VP, Amnesty VP, Leo Treasurer, Student Council, 2 varsity sports, etc.
Other Factors: NMS semifinalist, AP scholar w. distinction, taking 6 APs this year
Work: Ice Cream Shop, tennis instructor
General Comments/Congratulations/etc: WOW, so happy... but judging by the other kids who got in, I may have worked a little too hard in high school to reach my goal... hoping to just relax these next four years and put high school behind me</p>

<p>and i hope that last bit didn't sound offensive... I just way overdid the "transcript" thing, as many others did, i'm sure, and im sort of regretting not having a life these past four years</p>

<p>ACCEPTED/Engineering:</p>

<p>Stats:
SAT Verbal: 630
SAT Math: 800
SAT Writing: 710
SAT Total: 2140
SAT II: Math IIC: 770, Chemistry: 720, History 710
ACT: 34
AP/IB taken/scores: Chemistry: 4, US History: 5
GPA weighted: 4.60
GPA unweighted: N/A
Rank or % estimate: 7/432</p>

<p>Subjective:
Essays: Great
Teacher Recs: Great
Counselor Rec: Great
Hook (if any):N/a</p>

<p>Location/Person:
State or Country: AL
School Type: Public
Ethnicity: Indian/Italian
Gender: Male
Legacy Yes/No: No
Recruited Yes/No: No
Important ECs: Math Team National Champion, Varsity Cross Country and Track, inner-city tutoring, etc.
Other Factors:
Work: Science Lab
General Comments/Congratulations/etc: Very happy, good luck to all RD people</p>

<p>REJECTED / Wharton</p>

<p>Stats:
SAT Verbal: 710 (Essay 12)
SAT Math: 800
SAT Writing: 710
SAT Total: 2220
SAT II: Math IIC: 780, Chemistry: 630, Chinese with Listening: 790
AP/IB taken/scores: Calculus AB: 5, Calculus BC: 5, Stats: 5, USH: 3, Psychology: 4, Physics B: 3, Chemistry: 4, taking 7 more May of senior year
GPA weighted: 3.6 (That's probably what ****ed me over.)
GPA unweighted: N/A
Rank or % estimate: Top 20% (School doesn't rank, just a guess.)</p>

<p>Subjective:
Essays: Really personal, talked about all the research programs offered at the undergraduate level for Why Penn? Talked about how I survived the financial crisis in Indonesia and how my family had to flee our home country because there were riots.
Teacher Recs: Great, I was told. But didn't see them.<br>
Counselor Rec: Haven't really ever gotten personal with her but I'm guessing it was okay.
Hook (if any): First and only ever in the history of my school to complete Calculus BC at the age of 13 and score a 5 on the AP alongside high school juniors, finished Calc I as a middle-schooler. </p>

<p>Location/Person:
State or Country: Singapore
School Type: Private
Ethnicity: French/Indonesian/Chinese
Gender: Female
Legacy Yes/No: No
Recruited Yes/No: No
Important ECs: Varsity Cross Country, JV Basketball, Little League Referee, Violin and Viola (certified to teach in both, Associated Board of the Royal Schools of Music in London Level 8 diplomas, with distinction for violin), was selected to perform with traveling orchestras in Europe and China, tutored kids as a job, Head Fundraiser for an orphanage and cleft palate clinic in West Jakarta, Indonesia, sponsored the surgeries and educations of many children there, Early Children's Home (community service), Teaching Assistant at our school's kindergarten, Tae Kwon Do (First Dan/Poom, black belt), participated in Math competitions in my school (AMC 10 and 12).
Other Factors: Sent in a music CD of my viola performance in Taiwan
Work: Insurance firm in Jakarta, Indonesia. Got supplementary recommendations from the Study of Exceptional Talent director at Johns Hopkins University, and a Harvard graduate mentor (which was excellent, he let me read it).
General Comments/Congratulations/etc: Sucks that I didn't at least get deferred, but better luck to the rest of you! :) </p>

<p>I think the major problem was I *<strong><em>ed up royally in AP US History (</em></strong>*ed up as in below B- grades). I suckkkk at history like none other, hahah. Took a while to get over, but I've moved on. It's been awhile..just decided I'd post here to wish RD'ers better luck, and say congrats to those who did make it into Wharton! Great job. That's one grand accomplishment!</p>

<p>wow. i can't believe you didn't get in babycakes. shocking...</p>

<p>I am concerned over an obvious trend I had heard about, and have first had experience with, and now see when I review the stats of ED admissions at Penn.</p>

<p>I would never begrudge a bright, talented, articulate student admissions to a school like Penn. But is so obvious that the white American student is being over looked for what I see is at least a 7 or 8 ratio of international students or students of Asian, Indian, Hispanic, or color descent to one American Caucasian student. My daughter had stats equivalent to at least 8 international student of see on this board, plus many other plus factors. But they got in and she didn't. And this is not sour grapes. I believe in diversity---but the stats are so skewed, it's as if Penn if going out of it way to not accept these American students.</p>

<p>If you ask any Asian, they will tell you it is harder for us and internationals to get into good schools and that Hispanics and Blacks are taking more spots from Asians than any other race (just search "AA" in the college admissions forum and you will have thousands of pages with a debate about how Asians find it the hardest to get into good colleges). Remember, this is CC and a very small sample size of those admitted to Penn ED and can't be used for any statistics. If you look at the facebook group (about 1/2 of those admitted have joined) you will see tons of "American Caucasian students" and their pretty white faces all in Penn's class of 2011 you racist *****.</p>

<p>lol...just gotta laugh..i'm asian and got in by the way and venkater's right</p>

<p>Congratulations to everyone who got in this year (thus far)! :-)</p>

<p>"And this is not sour grapes."</p>

<p>Sure could have fooled me!!</p>

<p>A Concerned Parent:</p>

<p>You CANNOT assert that Indians and Asians are being included in the Affirmative Action quotas. I am a South Asian from Northern California, a region alone not highly represented at Penn (strongly so, but not nearly as high as regions in other states such as IL, NJ, PA, TX, DC, etc). At the Penn Information Session last May, the area was SWARMING with South Asians, who, like me, had SAT's, GPA's off the charts literally suffocating the Admissions representative for info on Penn. Additionally, I visited Delhi this Christmas break, and my cousin is applying RD to Penn. She said that Penn literally sold itself in India, "as if they were going out of fashion." </p>

<p>What's the message here? We are Asians sitting in a pool of extremely OVERQUALIFIED applicants with an OVERWHELMING number of reasons to believe that we, "deserve to be the few selected." But they can only take a certain number of us, and it's really hard.</p>

<p>If I were in your position, yes, I would be bitter, too, and the fact that I did get in may seem like I'm a little less understanding. But here's several things you need to understand about admissions selection criteria:</p>

<p>1). for one thing, choosing underrepresented students does not just to minorities, but to students from regional backgrounds. A student with lower stats applying from a small town in Idaho will surely fare better in the pool than a student with higher stats from Long Island.</p>

<p>2). Those students who are admitted under AA (who REALLY should only fit into one of three categories, african american, hispanic, or native american) generally still have to have solid qualifications in order to be good fits for Penn. If they really sought after kids who COULD NOT handle the academic pressure or could not fit into the environment at Penn, then why would they accept them? Not only would they be a tax on the University's resources, they would be putting the students at a disadvantage.</p>

<p>3). Other non deserving students will take away spots from deserving ones. There will most certainly be kids walking around on Penn campus wearing a Penn sweatshirt they do not deserve to wear, mainly due to their parents extra pocket change that helped fund the new building to their right. </p>

<p>Overall, my point is that the admissions selection is a complete crapshoot, and although sometimes it may be unfair, other times you have to look at it in good faith: perhaps even put some confidence into the belief that Penn and other schools will admit qualified students who not just want to be there, but really fit the profile of the Penn students. Maybe there's some magic formula that they can use to determine that, and alas, we may never know.</p>

<p>So, before you go around attacking minorities on the basis for, "stealing spots from your daughter," keep in mind that there are other considerations that may have played into that final outcome.</p>

<p>Kudos to rohan2k6! Couldn't have put it better myself.</p>