OMG Obama won! Take THAT republicans!

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<p>Hookem - </p>

<p>Why does there have to be so much vitrolic hatred instead of just political differences? Why do you have to refer to another you've never met as "scum"? Obama has two young children. Is he scum to them? Is McCain scum to his wife? Or is it just easier to attack people from the anonymity of a computer?</p>

<p>I guess I didn't count up high school debate scores before voting, but why do you have to accuse people who see the potential for a great leader as sipping Kool-Aid? Maybe, God forbid, we don't see a Messiah - just an intelligent, deliberative, unifying, global leader who knows first hand the struggles of the inner city poor and can build bridges around the world that were burned for the past 8 years. </p>

<p>All I'm asking is that you give him a chance to succeed or fail. Abraham Lincoln was a 1 term congressman when he was elected, while George Bush's administration collectively had the most experience of any in modern times.</p>

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<p>o no i was referring to steven's use of "allusions" :)</p>

<p>honestly, palin scared the crap out of me. the female version of huckabee :-x i know not all "young ppl" are liberal, i know one or two that aren't, but predominantly we are. i think it said on CNN like 70-30 in CA of young ppl voted for Obama (yes i know it's CA, but that's me).</p>

<p>ive just seen it mentioned a few times something like "well obama won i hope the kids are happy" etc.</p>

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<p>Glad to apparently have McCain back. No more extrodextro sucking-up please.</p>

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<p>^ applejack, I'm not necessarily harping on his utter lack of foreign policy experience.</p>

<p>First of all, you committed a grievous straw-man fallacy. When I say Obama is scum, I don't mean as a human being, I mean as a politician. Don't twist my words.</p>

<p>Second, I don't think Obama is political scum "just because." I have very, very established reasons for hating his political views. Trust me, as an avid reader of any news source or thinktank I can get my hands on, I know the issues.</p>

<p>Universal healthcare has been factually proven in England and Canada as a terrible system that makes everything worse, causing the sick to sit on unbelievably long wait lists for months to receive subpar care from underpaid medical employees.</p>

<p>Abortion is completely unethical from an purely philosophical, even athiestic standpoint. We have no idea of "when life begins" scientifically, and therefore we are required to err on the side of caution. Think about the enormous idiocy of abortion advocates from merely a logical, rhetorical standpoint: "Well, I don't really have a clue if it's a human child yet or not. It probably isn't, so I guess I can kill it! It is my 'right' after all." Once again, being anti-abortion does not necessarily have to coincide with believing in God. It does, however, coincide with careful, correct analytical thought.</p>

<p>He's completely socialist in his ideology. I don't care what he or his supporters decide to call it; that's what it is. Robin Hood was a socialist. It may all seem well and good to "rob from the rich and give to the poor" until you stop and consider that that's the polar opposite of the fundamental American ideals of capitalism. It's punishing those "who have" to give to the "have nots." Go ahead, watch him "spread the wealth," and then watch how far the economy falls (a la Russia).</p>

<p>He's the least bipartisan politician in America. He was voted the most liberal man in the Senate a year ago. Therefore, he has no idea how to get anything accomplished with the support of both sides, and will fail miserably at any attempt to seem "moderate."</p>

<p>He and his VP hate each others' guts. Joe Biden doesn't deny it. He never wanted to be Vice President at all. He saw Obama as a stubborn, ornery upstart out of nowhere who didn't deserve the attention. On the other side, Obama has said some nasty things about Biden. On a PBS documentary last week, they discovered that, during one of Biden's speeches last year, Obama passed a note to a fellow Senator that read "Shoot. Me. Now." Oh, but I'm sure they'll be entirely effective working together for the next four years. <em>eyeroll</em></p>

<p>need I go on? If every voter in America knew the facts, rather than "voting with their gut," things would've turned out differently...</p>

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<p>i highly disagree with your last statement.</p>

<p>not everyone agrees with your ideas of what is "right". such as abortion, just to name one."facts" do not equal what is your opinion.</p>

<p>yes so most people are polticially ignorant, but i still doubt that if they knew the "facts" about obama more would have voted for mccain.</p>

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<p>^ cutieflutie, you gave absolutely no logical arguments in support of your claims. In fact, you didn't even make any ILlogical arguments! You just said "such as abortion, just to name one."<br>
I, on the other hand, laid out a rather brief argument (although sufficient for this particular medium) in support of mine.</p>

<p>I have met many abortion advocates who can't give me one reason (that stands the test of adequate logical analysis) as to why they believe what they do. I have made several of them cry because they end up just screaming, "I DON'T KNOW, OK?!!! IT JUST IS!!!" Tsk, tsk. That's the problem with America, ladies and gentlemen: if you don't know, don't speak.</p>

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<p>i was just informing you that i disagree, with abortion being my major pet peeve.</p>

<p>my main point was that you were posting your beliefs as "facts". which is not so.</p>

<p>honestly, i dont CARE if "you" think the child is alive during an abortion. i, for one, do not think it is alive for quite some time in the womb. if i can not care for it, it's not the physical child that will die, but it's SOUL. most mothers who want an abortion, i think, will not be able to care for their child sufficiently, or at least as well as they could have. i believe in choice. america is about choice. plus, you're not the one that decided to have sex that made the baby, im not asking you to pay for it, i just want to deal with the consequences in my own way.</p>

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<p>...that's your opinion that he was right. To accuse people of being DUMB for disagreeing with your opinion is incredibly insulting. After 8 years of the least intelligent and capable president, leading us to be mocked and ridiculed by the world, I don't understand how you can say we "remained DUMB". We altered our course and a vast majority of the world agrees with the decision.</p>

<p>If you want to blame someone, blame McCain for flip-flopping, turning the VP selection into a political stunt, and, like Kerry in '04, never defining a vision. If he'd had stuck to who he is and tried to stay centrist, it would have been mcuh closer.</p>

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<p>Who do you think I am talking about? It has nothing to do with opinion, the person I am, talking about was and still is correct, its congressional and political fact, has nothing to do with opinion. He predicted it all and it was documented, go read it. Even the major news corporations are now finally admitting he may be up to something.</p>

<p>I still hold my words that the American People Remained and still are dumb. Complete idiots is a better term.</p>

<p>As for the world agreeing with the decision, thats a bad thing. Not a good one, because the only reason they are happy is because they want a handout, More money we cant afford and will need to either borrow and increase or deficit or tax more. Obama promises the first. We are becoming the high class restaurant that became a homeless shelter. Soon enough somebody has to pay the bills and the majority of the currently taxes income goes to pay the federal reserve interest and debt. Where is this money going to come from. We need to end the handouts and focus on America. Not the rest of the leeching world, we owe them Zero.</p>

<p>I don't blame McCain, id actually rather Obama, but they both such and are both statist pigs.</p>

<p>WE ARE GOING TO GO BROKE. REALIZE THAT. WE CAN ONLY SPREAD AND GIVE SO FAR AND SO MUCH, UNTIL WE BECOME FRAGILE AT HOME. OH WAIT WE ALREADY ARE.</p>

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<p>itz illusions, or even delusions lol.</p>

<p>obama hasn't even started running his term yet, so it's still Bush that's "leading this country to destruction". and nobody likes socialism, cold war much?</p>

<p>some of us just want a change, and if it all goes to hell im sure we can rectify it in 4 years, or even sooner... this is actually what we're doing now. we are reacting to how we percieve bush. this is the way government is supposed to work. you don't like it, you change it.</p>

<p>and i like how ppl say something to the effect of the "young people", because everyone always tell us we don't vote. well it looks we did this time
cutieflutie08 is online now </p>

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<p>But you don't change it to views that are leading us back to the views America was founded against. Thats the problem. The solution to our problem was change, But why not change for what America is and what America was founded on. George Bush certainly didn't run this country in the founded American way. if you think so you are mistaken. Neither did many presidents before him. America was meant to run a certain way, it was designed the way it was for a reason. We are backpedaling now, just we are the New Britain.</p>

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<p>Obama has two young children. Is he scum to them? </p>

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<p>Actually year, leaving two young girls without a father why he goes and plays president, give me a break. Hes a ******* and hes as good as walking out on his kids.</p>

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<p>^ cutie, you're obviously too ignorant to understand my philosophical argument. </p>

<p>IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT YOU "think"!!<br>
What matters is scientific evidence. That's it.
We have no concrete facts supporting ANY statement regarding the time life begins! None! Therefore, it is just as stupid for you to say "well, I don't think life begins for a long time in the womb" as it is for someone to say "life begins at conception." Neither of you <strong>KNOWS</strong> anything. You're assuming. And allowing the deaths of millions, I repeat, millions of babies based on these unscientific "assumptions" is ethically laughable. The Greeks, the Romans, and every other historically great, competent, intelligent society would scoff at us.</p>

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<p>^ Calling someone ignorant does not make you look cooler, or sound much smarter.</p>

<p>I agree you have a valid point regarding abortion. I have not read up on what happens in the mother's womb at any given time, and I likely will never care to read anything of that sort. I doubt most people actually read far into philosophy on this issue. </p>

<p>Abortion as a whole is a religious issue. Any pro-life Christian will tell you that abortion is killing a fetus because they are SURE the baby is formed at conception. Those who are not religious say that the real issue is about the woman's rights to choose. Where do you get off telling a woman (I am assuming your a dude) that she must have a baby? Are you a strong believer in Palin's abortion philosophy? Even in the case of rape and incest of a 15 year old girl... you would want the girl to have the baby? I mean, according to your logic, the girl should have the baby just because science has not caught up yet. Even if that girl will clearly not be able to care for her daughter, and her life as well as her daughter's life will be ruined... she still must have the baby. Something about that just does not sound right. </p>

<p>In my opinion, call me “ignorant,” you do not have enough facts to say, “Abortion is wrong.” Your argument works both ways. The government does not have sure information to say abortion must be illegal, and I do not have enough information to say there is nothing inside the mother’s tummy at the start and abortion should be legal. If the variable of how conscious a baby is inside the mother’s womb is unknown, all we have to base abortion on is whose right is it. The woman’s right or the government’s right? Are you telling me you really think the government should have that kind of power? If it is their body, shouldn’t they decide what to do with it?</p>

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<p>Seriously - you should stop calling people ignorant if you're going to make statements like this - you know that the Romans and Greeks intentionally aborted fetuses as well right?</p>

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<p>I'm libertarian, but its nice that Obama won I even had a tear down my eye. I'm hoping for the good of this nation that Obama rebuilds this country and makes it a better place. I'm also hoping that the Republicans really change their philosophy and become the party that they were once were by embracing the old conservative value and kick out all the dumbass neocons and welcome true heroes like Ron Paul, Colin Powell, Chuck Hagel. Once again, my sincerest congragulations to President Obama.</p>

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<p>Abortion is NOT a religious issue. There are pro-life atheists and pro-choice Christians.</p>

<p>I disagree with hookem168 on almost all points, but he's running intellectual rings around many of you.</p>

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<p>@ Hookem the reason why most "liberals" (normal people) believe that life starts after three months is because due to many research studies an embryo is developed after 3 months. Through genetic studies three months seems to be the wall that geneticists hit when they cannot change the embryo. Many studies have been done on rats that show how basic genes can be changed before three months. I mean truthfully who are you to tell someone what they can do with their baby. On the same note how can you "prove" that God either exists or believes in Christian values. Contrary to popular belief, the bible might not have been written by God. Personally I don't believe that a woman who finds out they are having a baby one month after conception should be forced to have a baby. That is just as immoral because you evangelicals are condemning her to suffer for something she does not want. The baby will either be neglected, put up for adoption or worse. Get off your moral high horse.</p>

<p>Also @ Horse, when did Obama say that he would give all our money away to other countries. By that logic Bush was the problem because he sunk all our money into Iraq. McCain was going to continue the campaign as well as provide funding for countries like Georgia in defense of "democracy" against Russia. Know your own candidate before you bash the other.</p>

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<p>nbnyc simply watch googles interview with Obama, available on google video.</p>

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<li><p>Perhaps we need to take a broader quantum view and consider the very real possibility that life never actually begins or ends. From that perspective, how then do we not simply ban abortion (and send them all underground, as they are in the rural South) but build a society that has no demand for abortion and is comprehensively pro-life? (protecting the ecosystems that sustain all life, ending useless wars, ending pesticide use that kills us, ending the death penalty). </p></li>
<li><p>Dr. Horse, you're being a little cynical and focused on money. The excitement of the world had nothing to do with "Oh good, we're getting money from the U.S." Bush gave billions to Africa and, as stated above, the Middle East. The excitement was on a more visceral level - on a level that reestablished the brilliance of the American political philosophy for advancing human development for which all humans long. </p></li>
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<p>Obama is one generation removed from a Kenyan dirt farm and deservedly rose to the most powerful position (meaning, agree with him or not, he earned it and wasn't plucked out of Alaska as a political stunt to get votes for an underepresented segment of society) </p>

<p>Tuesday night was an achievement of mankind that was being celebrated around the world, and a reemergence of America as the beacon on the hill, not a money grab.</p>

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<p>Oh boo hoo. We're not going to have 30% GDP growth every quarter. Well we're not supposed to and if we do we'll end up with hyperinflation and an economic crash that'll make the Great Depression look like the Tech Boom. 30% GDP growth isn't healthy, even for an emerging market. :rolleyes:</p>

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<p>hookem168, your delusion that there is a clear and self-evident argument which solves the abortion debate and which is an undisputed fact is utterly laughable. It is a complicated idea subject to a full range of evaluations and ideas. Your argument, for example, assumes from the get-go that killing is bad, and that everything possible should be done to prevent it. You do not even consider the range of negative consequences a ban on abortion would bring, such as a young couple's lives ruined for a large number of "saved" babies that will probably grow up in a poor household with resentful parents. A rise in the number of humans in this overpopulated planet, the number of poor people growing... all because life might begin at the moment of conception, as per your argument.</p>

<p>Although I know my position is taboo, I argue that killing, in itself, is not such a big deal. Killing is performed in ways that society finds morally uncondemable all the time; wars, executions, etc... and that abortion should be no different. Life is not such a big deal.</p>

<p>Dr.Horse, you argue that change which goes against the ideals America was founded with is a bad thing. I dunno about you, but personally, I don't care what America was meant to be 200 years ago; I care about what it is now. The ideas of the founding fathers, like any other ideas, should be examined, evaluated, and either kept if sound or discarded if found wanting.</p>

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Although I know my position is taboo, I argue that killing, in itself, is not such a big deal. Killing is performed in ways that society finds morally uncondemable all the time; wars, executions, etc... and that abortion should be no different. Life is not such a big deal.

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<p>I always find it kind of hyocritical that over 40,000 people die every in U.S. auto accidents, and yet there isn't a conservative pro-life movement to build walkable, transit oriented cities. Just the opposite, in fact.</p>

<p>To paraphrase American Dad: "An abortion?!? That's the ONE way we conservatives do not like to kill people!"</p>

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<p>I'm curious. Who actually researched the candidates before voting? Or was the voting done over race or party?</p>