<p>Is PENN a one trick pony, where Wharton is the only respectable school? It seems like CAS doesn’t get any respect.</p>
<p>1 post... this seems like a troll. I mean, dude called it "PENN." Who does that??</p>
<p>WAY TO BE RESEARCHING MANNNNNNN WAY TO GO :P</p>
<p>I'm sure Seelman would be proud</p>
<p>(obtw 3 more posts ;] )</p>
<p>If Wharton were Penn's only good school, it would be ranked around 30 at the highest--near NYU. Obviously Penn has more going for it than just Wharton.</p>
<p>Although Wharton's amazing rep and prestige does give Penn kind of a halo affect (like the Med school at WUSTL). but all of its other schools and undergrad research resources, etc are really good</p>
<p>i mean, applicants turn down Harvard, Yale, Princeton etc to come to Wharton. but id bet most of em would prefer the HYP over Penn CAS</p>
<p>well yea^^^^</p>
<p>people dont respect penn state as much as HYP.</p>
<p>and its not even penn state.</p>
<p>theres how much Penn's name is worth. but Wharton, it is much more valuable name on a diploma</p>
<p>Your diploma will actually say "University of Pennsylvania."</p>
<p>yea^^^, well I meant it in the sense that a degree from Penn in business is well known and respected cuz of Wharton...</p>
<p>I didnt know wharton was not on the diploma...but w/e</p>
<p>I'm kind of getting annoyed by all the "Penn CAS is lame" shpeel out there. I mean, I think I could have gotten into HYPS --(feel free to ask why I think that if you don't believe me)-- but I chose Penn anyway because of the feel I got from the school. Does the lack of name recognition totally suck... I mean.. I guess it does? But look at it this way--and the ladies might better understand where I'm coming from on this--but would you buy an ugly as sin Fendi or Chanel purse for 2k just because it was Fendi or Chanel? Wouldn't you prefer the gorgeous Balenciaga bag?? Less known name-wise --except to the only ones who would care/notice in the first place?? Isn't quality more important? To hellllllllll with name recognition. And yea I'd never drop 2k on a purse, but we ARE talking astronomically huge college expenses here. Guys, cross-apply this same idea with whatever cars are out there. </p>
<p>Just because Harvard is Harvard, that doesn't mean it's the right school for me. Just because the Chanel purse is glorified, that doesn't mean I like it that much more. I'm not into business... so um, no thank you Wharton. People need to stop projecting inferiority complexes onto Penn CAS students. From Penn I can go to any grad school I want (assuming I don't get too sucked up by the party scene, which is a very real/awesome aspect of Penn) and maybe then I'll take Harvard and Yale out for a spin. This "one-trick pony" nonsense must end. People who start threads like this should just go home.</p>
<p>lol give it time... only recently has UPenn in GENERAL have climbed up from the bottom of the Ivy pile (See 2000 and before USWNR). It used to be what Cornell is today- the "easy ivy"/"the ivy rejects" (ranked 16 in 1997). Not that I agree with this. Penn is a fine school- but because of the name, location, and other factors, it'll never achieve the prestige as some other ivies. Prestige means little tho unlsess ur a prestige whore.</p>
<p>god damn when will people realize that Penn DOES NOT LACK NAME RECOGNITION--to those that matter. Employers will NOT get Penn screwed up with Penn State, they are employers that look for the best employees. they are not ignorant. maybe the common man would make such a mistake, but where it matters, penn will get the recognition it deserves. so stop god damn worrying about name recognition if you are, because penn speaks an immense amount when it matters (such as job app, grad school, etc..)</p>
<p>We're living in 2007 now truazn. I know you like the USNWR rankings from 1997 betterrrrrr, but now Penn > Columbia. Hahahaha. Ha. --& Btw I'm just being annoying, because of course Columbia is fantastic. Lol I want there to be a Penn-Columbia rivalry really badly. The urban ivies should do battle.</p>
<p>Someone did a study - it was in the 9.17. 2006 NY Times. I don't have the link in front of me just a printout. But they found out from surveying admitted seniors what happened when people got into more than one school out of a top 20 list- Penn and Harvard, Penn and Columbia, Penn and Duke, etc. (also other possible pairs - Stanford & Yale, MIT & Harvard, etc.) This is probably the most accurate "ranking" because people vote with their actual lives by enrolling in the "better" school - it's not just hypothetical. </p>
<p>Of course a few people will choose Penn over say Harvard but not many (6%) and Harvard gets 94%. In a Penn vs. other Ivies matchup the only school that does not get more than half is Cornell (37%)/Penn get 63% (almost 2 out of 3 pick Penn). All the other Ivies "win" over Penn but some are close elections (Columbia 59% , Darmouth 54%) and others are runaways (Harvard, Yale (89%). Of course, ED students play no part in this ranking because they only get into 1 school and Penn is particularly big on ED , so this may skew the results.</p>
<p>I also don't know how accurate this survey really was - they claimed to have surveyed 500 schools but the number of people for some pairs might have been too small - but then again the rankings appeared to be pretty consistent across schools.</p>
<p>i love Nelly furtado. hehe</p>
<p>Yes, Wharton is great. The other schools may not be as good, but all provide quality education. At least you are not going to your flagship state school so just shut it!</p>
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<p>Just because Harvard is Harvard, that doesn't mean it's the right school for me. Just because the Chanel purse is glorified, that doesn't mean I like it that much more. I'm not into business... so um, no thank you Wharton. People need to stop projecting inferiority complexes onto Penn CAS students. From Penn I can go to any grad school I want (assuming I don't get too sucked up by the party scene, which is a very real/awesome aspect of Penn) and maybe then I'll take Harvard and Yale out for a spin. This "one-trick pony" nonsense must end. People who start threads like this should just go home.
First of all, it's rather presumptious to say ''I think I would have gotten into HYPS'' when those schools are tossups even for the most qualified applicants in the country. Secondly, Penn is a "one trick pony" since it's basically known worldwide primarily for its Wharton School of Business and not for its College of Arts and Sciences, not to say that CAS isn't good by any means. It's just that the disparity is so large and the name Penn has very little international name recognition while Wharton does from San Fransisco to Shanghai.</p>
<p>I don't really see how your leater purses references are relevant considering that Penn CAS costs just as much to attend as HYPS if you are out of state, which you seemingly are. So if you truly feel that you're qualified to attend HYPS, then you wouldn't have applied ED to Penn CAS if only just to keep your options open. Don't give me that ******** about the "right feel" since it's not like you took a summer program there or had relatives attend it and fell in love with the environment or something, you just basically went on a tour and heard that it was the best party ivy, so you applied ED(not to say that wasn't your only reason lol).</p>
<p>HYPS is far superior to Penn CAS and the quality of the applicant pool especially in the early round of admissions reflect that. I'm glad that you don't care about name recognition though since you might be bothered with the many "Penn State" references you will have to endure for the coming years. But you're right that you can get into whatever grad school you want with a Penn education.</p>
<p>Ultimately, you're happy and that's what matters I suppose so feel free to ignore me. I'm just bringing up a few valid points that I feel like interjecting with.</p>
<p>BTW, Princeton throws much better parties than Penn.;)</p>
<p>EAD, I don't think you can call Penn a "one trick pony" just because it doesn't have international name recognition...very few schools have international name recognition.</p>
<p>Wharton is a specialized division of Penn, a "trade school", if you will. Penn also has a top medical school, law school, vet school, dental school, world renowned grad programs, etc. All of these divisions provide exceptional opportunities for CAS undergrads (yes, even Wharton). Business just happens to be the hot field right now that all you money grubbing status whores are attracted to. Twenty years ago, it was pre-med.</p>
<p>Schools with international recognition: Harvard, MIT, Berkeley, Stanford. Maybe Princeton. Michigan, Wisconsin, and Illinois may be better known than several Ivys just because they have great science and engineering grad programs. Also, according to EAD, Dartmouth and Brown are no trick ponies because they could very well be the least known Ivys due to size, smaller grad programs, and lack of publicity that comes with sports.</p>
<p>Penn undergrad Nursing is also first in the nation. That means 2 of 4 undergrad colleges are first in the nation. It's hard to call that a 1 trick pony.</p>