<p>that list doesn't really surprise me. </p>
<p>Most of the students I know don't want to go onto professional schools ... at least not yet. I entered Cornell pretty sure on law school, but now I'd like to stay and get a masters doing research. </p>
<p>I think the list also says alot about the "career driven" students at a school like Harvard. </p>
<p>I dont think the list should be interpreted as "the best way to get into a top professional school is to go to HYP." After all, the acceptance % for Cornell students with at least a 3.4 GPA into med school is 90%. For law school as a whole at Cornell it's 88% (national average is around 50%). For Cornell ilr into law school it's just shy of 100%. :)</p>
<p>hm...cornell ilr? sry i dunno wut u meant by that</p>
<p>school of industrial and labor relations.</p>
<p>ahh i see, but wow, just shy of 100% eh</p>
<p>I would bet Cornell has more students going into Masters and PhDs because of the science focus. You might be right gomestar.</p>
<p>so you think the high law % is because less people pursue law, as opposed to medicine or phd's?</p>
<p>i think that overall, less % of student go onto law/med/business school right from undergrad. I think that the article/rankings may suggest that cornell doesnt' have good placement when in fact it's just the opposite: cornell has fantastic professional school placement. The numbers I provided earlier prove it. More students just pursuit other activities rather than professional grad schools. </p>
<p>I would think that the % of students going for masters and PhD programs would be very high. Research seems to be very popular (especially with the sciences) and it's very easy to get involved in research as an undergrad. </p>
<p>prabz21 - the very very high acceptance rate into law school for ilr is due to its rediculously awesome program that teaches students about economics, history, collective bargaining, organizational behavior, law and business with teachings derived from psychology, sociology, philosophy and other social sciences. Pretty much everything law schools could hope for in an applicant.</p>
<p>Every Ivy has law school placement over 90% though, its not that special.</p>
<p>well i geuss thats because its any law school...
i'm concerned w/ the top law schools (the "t14")</p>
<p>the point being you're not putting yourself at a dissadvantage for law schools by picking Cornell over a place like Penn or Columbia. </p>
<p>It's probably safe to assume that the ivys have equally fantastic placement rates into top law schools. I dont mean equally fantastic as 90%+ into the top programs, but in comparison with other colleges in the US the ivies have a much greater % accepted into top programs.</p>
<p>makes sense - i presume</p>
<p>Yep, students in ILR get admitted to top law schools.</p>
<p>I know that one of Cornell's strengths is engineering. I applied to Columbia engineering (Fu Foundation), MIT, Caltech, and Cornell engineering, and chose Cornell because of its excellent and nationally known engineering school (and I got rejected from MIT and Caltech).</p>
<p>I don't get why people rave about Columbia engineering. I was admitted, went to visit, and wasen't impressed at all.</p>
<p>well IMO colmbia is a bit overrated, simply because, well it's in NYC, and so everyone gives it rave reviews, and they acceptance rate is so low, since so many people apply (im geussing for location + ivy)...cornell has been taking a "prestige" hit lately since it's acceptance rates are relatively high</p>
<p>that's just my belief at least</p>
<p>Well to be honest Cornell has always been the easiest Ivy to get into (I'm not trying to rip on it - its fact), and historically has been called a "safety Ivy." That and the fact that many of the schools are even easier to get into (hotel) and the fact that there are the "instate or whatever" schools adds to the less selective image. Its viewed as the Michigan or Berkeley of the Ivies in my eyes, less old school elitist and more top programs especially in the sciences. This is good for some areas (engineering), but slightly worse for others (networking).</p>
<p>Slipper,</p>
<p>Im tempted to ask you to stay away from the Cornell boards and to refrain in general from posting here on CC your subtle but snarky comments regarding our fine alma mater.</p>
<p>But I wont because its a free world and it will not likely prevent you from continuing to promote Brown and Dartmouth at the expense of Columbia and Cornell.</p>
<p>Your posts have been bugging me for awhile and I couldnt quite put my finger on it, but your last post really nailed it.</p>
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<p>This is really what youre all about. Somehow Cornells size and state affiliation makes it less of a place in your eyes.</p>
<p>I just gotta say that Ill take Cornells Elite but not elitist ethos any day. Its no accident that Ezra used the motto any person, any study when he started the place and because of that was able to get the excellent help of Yale man A.D. White to help construct this uniquely American institution of higher learning. Yes they admitted women from the beginning. Yes they sought to educate farmers and other professional types.</p>
<p>Youre not the first Big Green alum Ive heard slamming the fine Cornell Hotel School. That must be part of the initiation ritual on the wilderness retreats there in New Hampshire. The fact is that it is more selective than the Engineering school, yet somehow you give Engineering the nod as being good.</p>
<p>As for networking, perhaps when youve actually been in the work world for more than a year or two, youll realize that Cornells network is pretty good too. Its hard to imagine a better network given the HUGE number of alums around the world. My uncle and brother-in-law went to Dartmouth. My wife went to Princeton. I really dont see any difference.</p>
<p>Brown and Dartmouth are fine schools. So are Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Columbia, and Penn. Please know that our humble University in upstate New York is not such a bad place. Since my daughter enrolled last fall, Ive become more keenly aware than ever that in fact it is really an intellectual powerhouse that is likely to surprise you in years to come.</p>
<p>All my best,</p>
<p>Wharf</p>
<p>I never rip on Columbia's place among Ivies. Its probably slightly right after HYPS. Socially I think it is very different than most other schools, and I feel many are not aware of it and choose it because of NYC not realizing the negative. Check out the Columbia boards, you'll find more unhappy students posting than anywhere else.</p>
<p>I am not ripping on Cornell at all, I am just pointing out why it is different than the other Ivies. It has more vocationally oriented highly ranked programs, but a less selective reputation. That is not off at all, read my comments objectively.</p>
<p>Well said, Wharf Rat.</p>
<p>wow, people getting emotional</p>
<p>Slipper,</p>
<p>I do admire your willingness to stand up for your opinion. Thats an admirable trait and it will serve you well as I am sure it already has. A dose of humility is also a good way to disarm your critics. Just a thought.</p>
<p>On a couple of occasions, Ive tried to get you to appreciate the special milieu that Cornells seven undergraduate colleges create in the way of an intellectual atmosphere. The cross pollination of ideas and points view among the undergraduates is very exciting and in my view unmatched among the ancient seven. The atmosphere is much closer to the real world than the more cloistered grove of the traditional academy. Cornells newness and size are its principal assets not a handicap.</p>
<p>I ask you to consider that objectively.</p>
<p>Wharf</p>