<p>harvard decreased by 70 apps from last year. The only ivy league school to have a decrease in applications.</p>
<p>"Well to be honest Cornell has always been the easiest Ivy to get into "</p>
<p>Well, to be perhaps more honest, you're wrong. When I was applying to colleges, Penn was the easiest Ivy to get into. A that time, with NYC in the crapper, Cornell and Columbia weren't too different either.</p>
<p>I understand that at one point earlier on Brown was among the easiest to get into. Then it got "hot", for like no apparent reason. Maybe mid-60's I believe.</p>
<p>Here's some data for Arts & Sciences colleges, circa 1971:</p>
<pre><code> % admitted avg SAT
Cornell 36 1342
Penn 41 1273
columbia 34 1360
</code></pre>
<p>"circa 1971" im pretty sure people are more concerned about 2006, and more importantly, the prospects for the future</p>
<p>" 'circa 1971' im pretty sure people are more concerned about 2006, and more importantly, the prospects for the future"</p>
<p>his point was that the person he quoted was false in his assumption that cornell was always the "easiest" ivy to get into.</p>
<p>oh i missed that, got it now</p>
<p>This error aside, I'm not sure why you guys are so upset with slipper. I think what he said is basically correct. Cornell's % admit currently is higher than a number of places it plays football against. That's just a fact.</p>
<p>It should be noted that though their admissions % may be a drop higher, all of Cornell's "special mission" colleges are among the very tops of their type in the entire country.</p>
<p>i dont think anyones actually upset, i mean most people already know at the back of their head that all ivy's and all top colleges are all good and that everyone knows it...i geuss its just for the purpose of debate?</p>
<p>So is the admissions rate going to drop this year again?</p>
<p>considering how many people applied, one would imagine</p>
<p>although, admissions rates are practically constant, they go down a % and then back up 2%... they essentially hover around some constant number...</p>
<p>Wharf Rat: Don't slam on people when they give facts. What slipper said was true, and I admit that as a Cornell student that it ****es the hell out of me when people say Cornell is a "safety ivy," but the fact is that the majority people who get don't get into HYP get into Cornell (of course there are exceptions, i'm just telling you what I and several other Cornell students have experienced from high school). However, to slipper and everyone else, this in NO WAY means Cornell is any worse than the other schools.</p>
<p>To future Cornell students, I think you thing you will love about this school is diversity and number of people from overseas, probably more than any other ivy. I have met people from Greece, Saudi Arabia, Russia, and even Kenya. Although in the college of engineering, which I am in, the majority of international students are either Indian or Chinese!</p>
<p>Yikes increase of 15%...considering the applicant pool is already huge...</p>
<p>More competition for me! =(</p>
<p>I totally agree that Cornell isn't "worse" than the other schools, in some areas it is the best Ivy. If I wanted to be an engineer its at the top for example. I am just saying the "safety ivy" has been Cornell's perception. Penn has gotten over that perception, perhaps Cornell will too.</p>
<p>Well said.</p>
<p>Peace Slipper. Thanks for the hopeful thoughts.</p>
<p>Sorry if I got a little agitated there.</p>
<p>You give a lot of good advice to kids here on CC and should be commended for that.</p>
<p>Any interest in a friendly wager as to which hockey team will prevail in Lynah rink on Friday night?</p>
<p>It was not pretty for the Big Red when they visited Hanover earlier this year.</p>
<p>More on historical admissions selectivity of Brown, if you're interested;</p>
<p>I found this on a newsgroup site:</p>
<p>" The story of how Brown has come to attract ambitious self-starters as
applicants is well-told in Bill Mayher's 1998 book, The College Admissions
Mystique. In 1969, Brown's new admissions director James Rogers decided that
he ought to be able to exploit the Magaziner-Maxwell curriculum to pull
Brown out from underneath the doormat of the Ivy League. And underneath the
doormat is where it was.</p>
<pre><code> When I was applying to colleges at that time, Brown was all but
</code></pre>
<p>invisible to the college placement office of my prep school. Between Brown
and the other Ivies in the pecking order there lay twenty schools, including
most of the Seven Sisters, Wesleyan, Haverford, Bowdoin, the service
academies, Reed and other top regional schools, and perhaps five top state
universities. In New England, Brown was considered better than Trinity and
Brandeis, but only barely better. The favorite backup college choices at my
prep school were North Carolina, Wesleyan, Penn, and, believe it or not,
Stanford (which accepted the bottom-ranked person in my class).</p>
<pre><code> In the mid-1960s Wesleyan was enjoying a real vogue. It had got rich
</code></pre>
<p>all of a sudden (Xerox stock), had published Norman O. Brown's Life Against
Death, and was helping invent minority recruitment. Because Middletown is
close to Providence, Wesleyan has always shared its applicant pool with
Brown, and in those days, as Ron Medley may wi****lly recall, Wesleyan was
unquestionably the harder place to get into.</p>
<pre><code> So in 1969, James Rogers of Brown considered his situation and hit on a
</code></pre>
<p>plan which is now legendary among admissions officers. He hired members of
the classes of 1970 and 1971 and sent them out on the road to pitch the
Brown Curriculum. Their instructions were to look for students in the second
quintile who were lively interviewees and who showed iconoclastic
tendencies. The Young Turks of the admissions office made a hit wherever
they went and applications rose almost immediately. Rogers was then in a
position to implement phase two. He began rejecting students in the top
quintile who had made Brown their third choice. Word quickly went round the
secondary school placement offices that Brown was no longer easy.</p>
<pre><code> There was another component of the Rogers strategy, one that Bill
</code></pre>
<p>Mayher's book misses. Rogers was a preppy from Taft and understood that it
is preppies who put elite colleges in fashion. Rogers made Brown
prep-friendly. He began to accept twenty and thirty people a year from
Andover, Exeter, Choate, St. Paul's, and Harvard-Westlake. He made Brown the
first backup choice at the leading schools, and by the mid-1970s, New York,
Los Angeles, and the exurbs of America had gotten the message. The seal of
approval was given in a 1975 article in the Sunday New York Times, titled
"Everybody Wants to Go to Brown." (There have been many such articles since,
culminating in a perverse extravaganza in last February's Vanity Fair,
titled "School for Glamour.") "</p>
<p>Post of the Day goes to Monydad. I love reading things like that.</p>
<p>I recall that thread and I can vouch for its accuracy.</p>
<p>I think Cornell is more prestigious to your average US citizen than Brown, Dartmouth and Penn.</p>
<p>I'd say:</p>
<p>Harvard
Princeton
Yale
Columbia
Cornell
Brown
Dartmouth
Penn</p>
<p>If you liked some Brown admissions history, here's some Duke history (though written this month):</p>
<p>When I tell people at my school im applying to Cornell, most say they have never heard of it. I'd say the only schools there that just about anyone would recognize are Harvard Princeton Yale and maybe Columbia. However if you are talking about in the professional and research community Cornell seems to be very prestiges, more so than Brown, Dartmouth, and Penn (minus Wharton), especially in science and engineering</p>