<p>“I chose Michigan over school such as Cal, Chicago, Columbia, Cornell and Duke because it roughly equal academically and reputationally but offers an undergraduate experience more in line with my expectations than the other schools.”</p>
<p>What were the expectations?</p>
<p>Relaxed atmosphere, friendly and down-to-earth students, tolerance for international students, fun college town and campus life etc… I felt Michigan fit my “ideal” better than any school that admitted.</p>
<p>“rjkofnovi, while I know that LBD has said some anti-Michigan stuff on other threads, I don’t really see anything wrong with his/her comments on this thread.”</p>
<p>Your posting total indicates that you are a newer member on CC. LDB has been bashing Michigan for a long, long time. I wish he’d stay off this board and concentrate on why his school of choice is so weak in overall engineering on the Duke site. </p>
<p>“The thread always goes off point once LDB gets on. Is there a way to ban him from the U-M forum?”</p>
<p>I put LBD on ignore a long time ago. I only get to see what he says now when someone else comments on one of his statements. I commend Alexandre for his patience and persistance in deflecting LBD’s overtly negative remarks about Michigan.</p>
<p>As I have had interviews with all of the following firms except for a few (* asterisk for the ones I didnt interview with, # for the ones I didnt get final round with) , I can tell you which ones targets Michigan and which ones do not, and in general what type of kids get invited back for final rounds. For most of these banks if they recruited S&T I interviewed for S&T, if they didnt I interviewed for IBD.</p>
<p>Disclaimer: While I worked for 2 of the following, I didnt accept my full time offers from any of them so I am not biased in any way. </p>
<p>Bulge Brackets</p>
<p>GS - big target, resume drop for Ross, no schoolwide resume drop - mostly Ross kids for the superdays for front office</p>
<p>JPM - big target, resume drop for Ross, no schoolwide resume drop - mostly Ross kids for the superdays for front office</p>
<p>Citi - targets Ross exclusively for IBD and S&T. Targets engineering exclusively for quantitative trading and analysis program. I went to their final round for the latter and found myself up against all MFEs lol… I was the only Michigan kid on that day and obviously no Ross kids for that program so I wouldnt know about the regular final round dynamics.</p>
<h1>Morgan Stanley - targets Ross. No final round for me :/</h1>
<p>DB - big target, schoolwide resume drop - they do the first round the first day, final round the next day on campus thing for internship recruiting. Invited a good mix of Ross and non-Ross kids for the next-day second round thingy</p>
<p>UBS - it flutuates year by year. When they recruit in full force, they would have resume drop for IBD for the entire school. Resume drop for equities and fixed income for engineering and Ross (no LSA). They would be all out one year and then disappear the next. On my final round with fixed income group, i distinctly remember it was 2 engineering and 8 Ross kids. We did a combined superday with Yale. There were 6 yale kids and 10 Michigan kids in total.</p>
<h1>CS - it’s all over the place. They recruit IBD and Capital Markets from Ross. Investment management and quant equities from engineering/LSA. No recruiting for S&T present. Didnt get second round so cant comment on that.</h1>
<p>BAML - they used to only recruit for backoffice and risk management. I had to go out of my way and email the recruiter to get a front office interview. However, they are starting to recruit Ross for front office this year. </p>
<p>BarCap - only recruits MBA for Chicago IBD. I got an interview by emailing my resume to the recruiter. No networking.</p>
<p>Non bulge bracket high finance</p>
<p>RBS - HUGE target, recruits Ross, LSA and Engineering. Their on campus presence is impressive and they can filled a 2-day superday schedule just with Michigan kids across IBD, CM and Markets.</p>
<h1>Wells Fargo - Interviewed with them for IBD. They only recruit Ross but would add a few non-Ross to their schedule. Didnt get a final round.</h1>
<p>BNP Paribas - Recruited schoolwide for S&T/Structuring. Final round was a mix.</p>
<p>RBC - They are active for internship recruiting, recruits Ross, LSA and Engineering. Very whacky system where they would give you an offer after a 30 minute first round.</p>
<p>DE Shaw - targets engineering students</p>
<p>Citadel - targets engineering students</p>
<p>DRW - targets engineering students</p>
<p>Optiver - targets engineering students</p>
<p>Chicago Trading Company - targets engineering students</p>
<p>Jane Street Capital - targets engineering students</p>
<p>MBB
McK - resume drop for the entire school. but on the final round interview in detroit, I was one of the few non-Ross</p>
<p>Bain - recruits Ross and Engineering. I think no LSA resume drop, but a few shameless LSA kids took engineering interview slots.</p>
<p>*BCG - They didnt give me a first round…bastards.</p>
<p>Non-MBB consulting</p>
<p>Deloitte - pretty big target, a good mix of non-ross kids… I interviewed with them to practice for the MBB interviews</p>
<p>ZS - huge target for them.</p>
<p>ATK - recruits both Ross and engineering</p>
<p>Booz and Co- recruits Ross and engineering, no LSA</p>
<p>*BAH - no interview. was gonna use them as practice anyway but they had a resume drop schoolwide</p>
<p>“Now that that’s over with, I can finally brag about how JPM is dominating the league tables:”</p>
<p>Who cares about league tables? PNL FTW, anything else is crap :p</p>
<p>“I just read somewhere that 25% of MIT grads go work on Wall Street. I mean talk about a mis-allocation of resources.”
Why is that a misallocation of resources? We need all the smart innovative minds we can get to stay ahead of the regulators the way they keep changing the rules.</p>
<p>“I’d rather have those minds working in the tech industry or curing cancer or something.”
Do they pay well? Most people are loyal to themselves first and foremost, and rightfully so. I know I am. We dont have the obligation/responsibility to choose a career that will benefit someone else the most. So until these other industries prove that they can pay more, why would the brightest minds work in that field when they could be earning multiples using their genius minds to create structured products?</p>
<p>Oh god this dude again…</p>
<p>Let’s hope my ME degree can get me a nice business job…</p>
<p>“Relaxed atmosphere, friendly and down-to-earth students, tolerance for international students, fun college town and campus life etc… I felt Michigan fit my “ideal” better than any school that admitted.”</p>
<p>What would be examples of being down-to-earth? What does A2 have that other college towns don’t that makes it more fun?</p>
<p>“What would be examples of being down-to-earth? What does A2 have that other college towns don’t that makes it more fun?”</p>
<p>He was comparing A2 to the other colleges/towns he was accepted at.</p>
<p>This was an OSU vs U-M thread. It obviously has become something else. Just goes to show you who Michigan’s real peers are.</p>
<p>Renewed, I spoke to students at all the campuses I was admitted into. I felt the students were less pretentious, more modest and more accepting of people with accents at Michigan than at other schools. I am not going to give my personal experience with the other schools I was choosing from, but I will say that Brown, Chicago, Columbia and Cornell were all great while I did not like Cal, Duke, Northwestern and Penn as much. </p>
<p>Same goes for Ann Arbor. The town was extremely welcoming to students. It was just a feeling and that feeling varries from person to person. No other college town appealed to be as much as Ann Arbor. Berkeley was ok but weird, Ithaca was quaint and pretty but too rural, Evanson and Providence were nice but unremarkable and I really did not like Durham. Of the large cities, I loved Chicago and San Francisco and enjoyed DC and NYC. I really did not like Phili. For college, I felt Ann Arbor had the best intellectual vibe and the most student-friendly set-up.</p>
<p>Holy **** did you travel the entire country when you were looking for colleges?</p>
<p>^ I did too… actually twice, once before decisions to every school I applied to, and once after to every school I got accepted to</p>
<p>my god, you guys must be loaded (or your family is I mean)</p>
<p>bearcats, why did you choose UM over the others?</p>
<p>^^^Please don’t open up that can of worms.</p>
<p>My family went on a college tour the summer before senior year. We took a good 6 weeks visiting 15 campuses. I ended up applying to 11 universities and was admitted into 10. Like Bearcats, I revisited my 5 favorite schools before choosing Michigan.</p>
<p>I went with my gut instead of my logical thinking… seriously questioned myself for 2 years or so, now looking back it’s not bad at all…</p>
<p>Hey Bearcats, like I said in my post, I agree with you:</p>
<p>"I realize that this isn’t Wall Street’s fault, F500 companies need start paying their engineers more, especially the senior ones. Engineering pay may be good in the beginning, but it levels off very very early. "</p>