Parent who "knows everything"

I’m going to try to keep this as short possible. I need some way to communicate with my mom and I hoped maybe some parents had a way I could communicate with their comrade-in-arms so to speak.

My mother is useless (if anything a detriment) in my college search. She’s a bit older, so she doesn’t realize how much an investment is when it comes to college. She thought because her brothers, who in the 60’s and 70’s, paid for their college with a job their senior year+summer work in HS, there is no reason why I can’t do the same. Her idea of college education is going to the nearby state university, studying a “career major” (not sure what the real term is) like Accounting and Engineering or trade school, getting a job, end of story.

So in I come in and exclaim that I want to study science and/or mathematics, much to her disdain. I run the numbers for the local state university and the numbers just don’t work out, after much manipulation with CCers. I run the numbers for every state university and the numbers still don’t work out. My mother now believes it is impossible for me to college and tells me I need to start preparing for trade school and to drop my AP classes because they’re worthless now.

“Luckily, not so!” I exclaim happily. I inform her of full-meet schools’ numbers that I ran through that work out nicely, with help from CC of course. But all of these schools are really, really far away (except for Notre Dame and Chicago, but my mom tells me Notre Dame is 1984: Pope Edition and Chicago is a dangerous war zone where college kids are killed for sport) so my mom tells me there’s no way I can go there. Apparently because I am a somewhat quiet kind of kid, (I used to have social anxiety a few years ago, but now I’m pretty much over it) this translates to being “unable to function” in a faraway environment. Nope, she says, you can only go to college in Indiana and since we can’t afford any of them (and religious schools scare her) you can’t go to college. “Sorry son.”

The kicker here is that anytime I try to talk to her about colleges she insists on these previous points and yells at me for “arguing with her” and begins crying and screaming at me because I’m a “disrespectful expletive who hates his mom”. I’ve recorded my conversations with her on this and played for her, showing that I was polite, calm, and amicable while she was interrupting, hostile and name-calling. This only results in more insults hurled my way for thinking I can “get away with such blatant disobedience” and her telling me to “MOVE OUT WHEN YOU TURN EIGHTEEN!!!”

In my head, I just want to tell her to shut up and listen or get out of my face all the time, but I know that is only self defeating and would cause her accusations to have merit. Unfortunately for me, she speaks her mind with no filter.

Is there any hope? It’s hard making these decisions that will impact the rest of my life alone. CC helps, but there’s only so much you can articulate that can only be demonstrated in real life. This is causing a rift and I’m no longer close to her at all. I try giving her college mail and forward her e-mails and stuff but she doesn’t read it and throws it away. Anyway at all to get her to “open her mind”?

In summation: My mother has a rather uninformed and dated knowledge of the college process. Any attempts to inform her of this are met with a hostile response. How can I fix this?

Omg, I’m so sorry you have to deal with that. I would lose my patience.
Do you think possibly you two can visit colleges together? This may give her more of an idea of why it’s so pricey.
And don’t drop your AP classes, if you end up going to a community college for a little bit they’re still helpful.

You may or may not be able to fix it. Do you have a father in the picture who can help you out? If your mother is unwilling to work with you and has no intention of paying for any of your education then your best option for doing it on your own is to pursue big merit scholarship opportunities. If you get a doable offer, then you will be in the difficult situation of deciding whether or not you will defy your mother and pursue your plans for your future. This will be painful and you and your mother could be at an impasse for quite some time, potentially years. Once you are 18, you are legally and adult who can choose for yourself, as challenging as this might be.

This is difficult. Good luck.

What about your dad?

Are either of your parents currently collecting social security?

In another thread you say that you have no contact with your dad. His info will be needed for the CSS schools, do you realize that?

Has your mom remarried?

In another thread you say that your parents will pay $5k per year. Is that still true

What are your latest stats?

You can’t force your parents to pay for your education once you are an adult.
You have mentioned that there will be two or three others from your family in school at the same time.
That must be very stressful, especially if your mom doesnt have anyone to share expenses with.
Have you been able to save much from your summer jobs?
Will you be eligible for Pell?
I see you don’t think you will be National Merit scholar, but perhaps there are other merit awards.

Get your mother to meet with your guidance counselor. Maybe that person will be more credible than you are in your mother’s eyes.

@mom2collegekids I don’t know if she is willing to pay, probably not. She has remarried. I’m not in contact with my father (I have not seen him since I was 11) but he and his wife make $45-$55k each (at last contact anyway, he may be divorced now for all I know) so that does kill a lot of my FA opportunities. He was severely abusive to me as a kid, so is it possible I get a waiver? I have no evidence nor a “community leader” to vouch for this so it’d be my word only.

So…if your mom is remarried, her financials as well as her husband’s will be required on the financial aid forms.

Also…beware…because you have a non-custodial parent, the net price calculators will NOT be accurate. Please don’t rely on the estimates given by them.

What are your latest stats?

Plan ‘B’, which you must pursue, is to plan for success; for the optimistic outcome. You have identified “Meets full need” schools. Assume your mother will find a way to pay her portion of the EFC. Assume the school will waive your father’s input. Go down the path of applying with these assumptions.

I think it will work out. You do your part. Once it is not a theoretical plan, but instead a reality that requires action, the dynamics will change. It may just be overwhelming for her. Break it down to a specific opportunity- one to three schools, what is required of her. She may just come through when you give her specific actions that are required. Continue down the path, and present her with options when acceptances arrive. Look in-state, out-of-state, whatever. Have a place to “MOVE OUT” to when you are 18. :slight_smile:

You will need some other Plan ‘A’, that you can bank on, but this kind of Plan ‘B’ may come to fruition. I would give it better than 50:50 odds.

The colleges are full of kind people (even the financial aid department) who really want to see you succeed. I suspect your Mom also wants to see you succeed. Have faith.

@thumper1 So I can’t get a waiver for abuse/abandonment?

Not technically but if you convey this to your GC or principal they can sign off on it.

What are your grades like? You seem to imply you can get merit aid at some private schools.

I believe Indiana State, in Terre Haute IN, has some merit scholarships for high-achieving students. There is also an opportunity for the highest stats students to compete for a full ride and full tuition.

My daughter just stayed on the campus for a band camp. It’s a really nice campus, they offer lots of majors, and it is residential. The little downtown area adjacent to the campus has plenty to engage and entertain college students. Rent in TH is probably pretty cheap, too. TH is a bit rough around the edges, but it’s safer than some parts of Chicago (although Hyde Park, where UChicago, is, is a relatively safe pocket area.

You might also consider Eastern Illinois University, just an hour west of Indiana State. I believe they give in-state tuition to IN residents, and also have a few merit scholarships. It is one of the cheapest IL state schools. Charleston IL is also a little nicer than Terre Haute.

You might also look at one of the IU or Purdue satellite campuses. You may be able to commute to one?

Best of luck to you. I second having your Mom talk with your guidance counselor.

SIU-Carbondale is also starting to give merit scholarships to high stats students.

@burgerman1 What are your stats?

does your dad pay child support?

@mom2collegekids @BeeDAre
3.6 GPA 34 Composite 32 English 34 Math 36 Reading 33 Science 740 WH SAT. I’m also going to be taking the US SAT and mayber the Chem SAT too. I did quite well in US History AP, so I expect 750+ for the SAT II in that.

My dad was ordered by the court to pay child support but he doesn’t pay any to my mom currently. He did pay a long time ago but that was infrequent.

I’ve considered LA Tech for automatic scholarship.

http://www2.indstate.edu/scholarships/freshman/

Ok, you need a 3.75 for the full ride/full tuition, although - if you major in Finance or Business, there are competitive scholarships for 3.5 and over…

There are other scholarships for 3.5 and your ACT score exceeds their requirements, but it is not for full tuition.

Hopefully, LA Tech will work out for you!

Yes you might be able to get a waiver. You will need to provide documentation to EACH college to which you apply.

But the net price calculators still won’t be accurate. They won’t be.

Have you included your stepfather’s income and assets in your calculations?

@thumper1 Yes.

How thorough is the documentation? I have no proof.