<p>well im going to cali in the summer so i’ll try and lure her into visiting ; i hope it works though because i am sooo tired of the east coast</p>
<p>To BillyMc. They just think that it is unsafe and that I would enjoy ND much more. They believe in all of the stereotypes of Yale (which to be fair I would be very different stereotype) but they won’t listen to me when I try to show them that the stereotypes have died.
They (well mainly my mother) have a problem with being a long way from home. (I live in the Midwest) I think this has a big effect on them because I am an only child and an only grandchild so they don’t want me to go too far away.
I have heard the line, “If I am paying for it, I am picking where you go” probably once a week from the time that I decided that I want to go to Yale.</p>
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<p>Because the Ivy League is an exclusive club of universities that isn’t going to accept more members 
There are tons of schools with super low acceptance rates and lots of prestige that aren’t in it.</p>
<p>OP, add Duke to your list and it may open the minds of your parents. West campus even looks like an ivy. ;)</p>
<p>adababy845- I understand you. I know how you feel.</p>
<p>My parents are also Nigerian. I call them Nigerian-Asian. Yeah, they’re crazy. I really wanted to go to University of Chicago or UCB. I ,too, wanted to get out of the East Coast. I tried to explain to my parents, I gave them time, I reasoned everything out with them but they kept telling me it was too far away. They would always find reasons why I couldn’t go-- “Oh, your room is messy. You can’t go to UcHicago”
To sum it up, I was not allowed to
visit U Chicago
apply to U CHicago
go to U Chicago</p>
<p>Though my parents did encourage me to apply to five Ivies, most of which I have very little chance of getting into. One, of which I absolutely hate.</p>
<p>To sum it up,maybe your parents are more lax but in my experience I had to suck it up-- otherwise I wasn’t going to college. My parents often use college money as a control device
do this or
we won’t pay for your college.
do that or
we won’t pay for your college.</p>
<p>WheN i had to stop writing my answers to U CHicago’s awesome questions, I cried. I literally sobbed in my room. So…</p>
<p>If you have these kind of parents just
give up. Nothing you say will matter.</p>
<p>nil desperandum, I’m sorry, that’s very sad. I hope you can still enjoy your college education.</p>
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It’s a sports division. Stanford was too far away, and had a start that kind of stuck it to Harvard. Georgetown was a natural choice (great academics, history longer than some of the others, northeast, etc) except that it was Catholic. In the 1950s, when the Ivy league was formed, allowing a Catholic school in was unspeakable. John Kennedy went to Harvard before the initial formation of the Ivy League. After it was formed, he gave a speech at Boston College on the Catholic thing. But again, it’s just a sports league whose members are viewed with prestige. There are several universities as academically excellent, with good chances of being better than all in certain fields, and some that are widely accepted as being better for certain things (MIT for engineering, Georgetown for International Relations, Hopkins for Medicine).</p>
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Notre Dame was founded for a cultural group that had been discriminated against and denied admission at the northeast private schools. However, I didn’t think many people still held those prejudices, as much has changed. Even the reputation as all for rich people (the thing that turns me off most about some schools) isn’t really true anymore, thanks to recent massive financial aid overhauls.</p>
<p>The Ivy League is literally nothing but an Athletic conference of 8 schools.</p>
<p>My parents have threatened me with the same for not wanting to stay in-state.</p>
<p>@nil desperandum. That sucks.</p>
<p>My Black parents are Black-Asian parents. Match the stereotypes.</p>
<p>billymc and MIT : so basically … the ivies are because of SPORTS ??? well obviously the have academic prestige but wow … i never knew that.</p>
<p>@nil desperandum: my parents dont use moeny as a control device because they really want be to get a scholarship , or my dad pays (he’s the more lenient one). but i think i’ll visit the college first, and then pick which im applying to.</p>
<p>Yep.</p>
<p>Official site: [The</a> Ivy League](<a href=“http://www.ivyleaguesports.com/landing/index]The”>Ivy League)</p>
<p>Wikipedia: [Ivy</a> League - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivy_League]Ivy”>Ivy League - Wikipedia)</p>
<p>i actually ran and told my mom this . she didnt say anything (because she hates being wrong) but im pretty happy !
another question: does going to an ivy as opposed to going to an “almost ivy” (i.e. georgetown, stanford) increase you job opportunities or no ?</p>
<p>Not particularly, unless it’s a specific field. I wouldn’t say “almost-ivy”, since it implies that Ivy League schools are better. My honest opinion: Georgetown (especially School of Foreign Service) is the best for Political Science/International Relations/some fields of History. Johns Hopkins is the best for Medical fields. MIT is the best for engineering. These are pretty widely agreed on. Stanford can compete with Harvard on almost anything.</p>
<p>All schools mentioned have large networks of alumni and extremely impressive reputations. Some (or even all) have the benefit of great locations, too.</p>
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<p>i wish johns hopkins was in california though 
i think im going to do pre-med ( because the economy is not so good for lawyers ) is there a good school (stanford, ucla, berkeley, santa cruz) thats really good in medicine?</p>
<p>I’ve actually heard good things about the Stanford, UCB, and UCLA Medical Schools. That probably translates into undergrad, too, and all are excellent schools. If your parents are also obsessed with flawed rankings, you can show them that all are ranked highly (Stanford more than half the Ivy League, UCB the highest public, UCLA tied for second highest).</p>
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And it’s a legit argument.
School doesn’t matter much for pre-med. Save money for med school.</p>
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This is an oft-repeated falsehood that has somehow become a CC commandment. No, your school matters for whatever your major is. It doesn’t have to be prestigious, but whatever your school is, it matters (1) for your education and (2) for med school admissions committees decisions.</p>
<p>The prestige, at least imo, between the “Ivy League” and the other top-ranked schools like MIT and Stanford is negligible.</p>
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- We have no idea what school will maximize the OP’s educational opportunities because we don’t really know anything about the OP.</p>
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<li>While weed-out premed programs make admissions %s a poor metric for pre-med ranking, there is nonetheless at least some value in looking at that data. And, if you do so, you see that many students from no-name schools end up in med school.</li>
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<p>Now, there may be a correlation between undergrad prestige and which med school you attend. However, research medicine notwithstanding, simply working as a doctor should not necessitate attending HYPSM. The data support this conclusion.</p>
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<li><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/4472550-post75.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/4472550-post75.html</a></li>
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<p>There are three important lessons we can draw from this post:
a) this poster claims that efforts are made to learn about an applicant beyond just school name
b) the regional prestige of a school can be a big deal and is completely distinct from national prestige
c) the local state flagship may actually be the “big-name” school</p>
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- This is true. However, the OP, knowing his/her needs, can make such a judgment, in the sense that it will matter to the OP what college he/she attends. I never said that prestige mattered, but that which college matters.</p>
<p>2.) The OP has shown a desire to attend top schools, so it is quite possible that will carry on to med school. I would imagine that a successful applicant from Stanford would have better chances than a successful applicant from a third-tier college.</p>
<p>3a.) I would hope so, and I never suggested otherwise.
3b.) I never said there had to be national prestige. If the regional prestige of a school helped a student get into med school, wouldn’t that college have mattered, as per my premise?
3c.) See 3b</p>
<p>OP, good luck with whatever you decide to do.
Remember that the Ivy League is nothing more than a football league. The schools were all founded around the same time…Rutgers University in NJ was offered Ivy League status but it declined the offer be.c they wanted state funding. </p>
<p>There are other amazing schools out there outside the overrated ivies…check out top ranked liberal arts schools too. </p>
<p>As long as you go to a top 15 or whatever, you should be fine in job placement. Plus, whether or not you get and keep the job depends on your abilities…not your alma mater.</p>
<p>I’ve never understood the “it’s too far away” argument.</p>