Parental Pressure and Dealing with it

<p>First off, I would like to say sorry for making this forum topic so long, I did not realize it, but all of it is unnecessary, so please read all of it, it is really appreciated. Hello, I would like to introduce myself to this forum, as this is my first post to it. I have a question dealing with a lot of parental pressure in a certain situation. Before I ask my question, I will give a bit of background of myself to give you an idea of where I'm coming from. I have played music for more than 11 years now, and consider it a major part of my life. I have always tried my hardest in school, at least I believe, to achieve the best grades I could, without sacrificing my music of coarse. Unfortunately, about 7 or 8 years ago, my parents separated and eventually divorced. They have always been able to get along fine, however, this deteriorated over time. Despite this, though, they can be in the same room with each other, thankfully. However, whenever a controversial topic within the family comes up, it becomes WWIII. My Mother is re-married, I go to the school district she lives in, and my dad lives about 45 minutes away with his girlfriend. Of coarse, with High School eventually came college searching. I switched school districts the summer before my freshman year. When talking to my guidance counsiler during this, college came up somehow. I remember that during this converstaion, it came up that if I was in the top 15% of my class by graduation, I could very possibly enroll in County College for free. Considering I don't come from a 1% family, this was big news. I had forgot about it until sophomore year. Since I found out about it at the beggining of that year, I made it my goal to reach the top 15% since I was close, somewhere like 18%. Since then, I have maintained a GPA of 3.9 or higher in my sophomore and junior year, and have reached the top 15%. Then, two summers ago, when me and my father were visiting Cape Cod, we took a tour of the Berklee College of Music in Boston because of my interest in music. Upon learning about the success rates of music students, especially in a school that cost more than $30,000 a year, I decided that choosing to go to college for music was not something I was interested in. I also believe that in the field of music I am interested in, going to college for it wouldn't actually be that useful, but I give no ofense to those who do decide to go this route, it just ins't for me. Then, last year, being my junior year, I decided that this was my plan: go to County College of Morris (which, by the way, is supposedly the #1 County College in New Jersey) and then transfer to a public school like Kean, or William Paterson, all for a computer science degree. It was also my plan to stay at home and save money from room and board and such. However, at the beggining of last summer, this all changed when I felt like it was D-Day all over my plan when me, my father, and his girlfriend all visited family in Cape Cod. They told me many things against my plan. Eventually, towards the end of August, I sent an email to my guidance counsiler explaining the situation. For the ease, I will copy and paste it here so you get the whole idea. </p>

<p>"Hello Mrs. B*******, I was wondering if you are free at all Tuesday, when I come to get my schedule, to talk. I have a few questions regarding college that I would like to discuss with you. Here is an overview of what I would like to talk about: I had my entire plans straightened out at the begging of the summer for what I wanted to do for college. My plan was to live at home, got to CCM for 2 years (because of the NJ stars program as a possibility) and finish up at Kean college with a Computer Science degree. My mom had supported this plan as, my step-brother did the same thing, but went for accounting, and my step-dad also went to kean. Then, one week when I was in Cape Cod with my dad and his girlfriend (also my aunt, uncle, and grandmother live there) we sat at dinner one night, all six of us. Then, all of a sudden, they started talking about how I should learn to live on my own, look at "better" colleges, like MIT, move away from home because I might be more successful that way. They think that I would be able to get enough scholarships that this would be possible and that it would end up being less money because of the scholarships. I am really against this because:
1. I really don't want to live on my own, I am not scared to, I just don't want to.
2. Without paying for room and board, or rent, I would save a lot of money.
3. The schools that we are looking at, like MIT or Steven's cost nearly $50,000 a year, or more with Room and Board.
4. They think that student loans, if I needed them, would be worth it to go to a "better" school and to live on my own. I don't believe going to a "better" school would yield high enough income to make up for the student loans I would need to pay off and that by the time it would, going to.
5. They think that student loans can be paid off "gradually" as in they think that as long as I am "making an effort" to pay back student loans a month, I won't be charged greatly for them. I doubt this is true.
6. Because my dad owns two houses (possibly three in the near future), his girlfriend owns one, my mom and step-dad will own one, and my family income (including my mom, dad, step-dad, and my dad's girlfriend) is probably about $250k a year, I am almost certain I would not get anything in student loans.<br>
7. I really don't want to move away from here"
and that is where it ended. As of now, nearly a month later, a few things have changed. My guidance counsiler and I scheduled an apointment the following Wednesday. Me, my mom, and my father were supposed to meet that morning to talk. My dad had to drive his girlfriend to the hospital, so he didn't make it. During the meeting, I had called my father to talk over the speakerphone with my counsiler and my mother. It did not go over well and when she started talking about how we went to visit schools without her, he hung up. My guidance counsiler agrees with me about the whole situation. My mom supports whatever decision I ALONE make. My mom has "removed" herself from the situation. My father brought me to see Steven's University without my mom. He stated that he wanted to invite my mom over for dinner to discuss it, but his girlfriend was really sick, so he didn't. My mom feels like she "waited her whole life" to go through the college process with me, and now it was virtually ruined because of the whole situation, this alone drains me and makes me feel horrible. I am really against everything my dad tells me about this, but I have a hard time arguing back. I have told him time and time again how I don't WANT to move away and go to those colleges and how I WANT to go through my original plan. However, he just won't let it go. I have spoke to my mom about it, I have said that I try to treat them both as my parents equally. My mom has stated that since they are different perople (my dad is more about my independence as much as possible, and my mom believes in more about helping me untain I can obtain independence with little stress) I find it hard to "stand up" to my father. I have no problem discussing things with my mother, with her it's more peaceful. However, where my dad is concerned, since I have spoke to him many times and he won't let it go, it has come down to the point where I would have to give him an ultimatum, and I am afraid that would mean I would have to tell him that either he "let it go or I am going to remove myself from the situation." I am becoming extremely depressed from this, as well as sick to the point of being nautious, literally. I don't know how to overcome this. I love both of my parents and I don't want to hurt either of them, even if I have, I never wanted to, and I don't want to in the future. I just want my dad to support my decision uncondditionally and I want everything to be fine again. This forum topic has turned into more of venting than really asking a question, and I am sorry about that. My main questions are: is it really worth searching for information about these colleges like my dad says if my heart is against it, and how do I really tell him to stop presuring me without causing akwardness and anger?</p>

<p>Your father needs to spend some time learning about how financial aid does and doesn’t work, and how much college costs these days. Tell him to read through the info in the Financial Aid Forum, at [FinAid</a>! Financial Aid, College Scholarships and Student Loans](<a href=“http://www.finaid.org%5DFinAid”>http://www.finaid.org) and at [Project</a> on Student Debt: Home](<a href=“http://www.projectonstudentdebt.org%5DProject”>http://www.projectonstudentdebt.org). Then if he proves to be ready, willing, and able to meet the full cost of College X, go take a look at it.</p>

<p>Frankly, I think he should get down on his knees and thank whatever deity he believes in for the gift of such a wise and sensible child. Knowing your own mind is a precious and rare thing. He is lucky to have a kid like you.</p>

<p>Wishing you all the best!</p>

<p>Thank you so much for those websites. I like having hard data to back me up. Also, in the begging of the thread, it says “unnecessary” but I meant to say “necessary,” my computer must have changed it. I just don’t want anyone to become confused, ALL of the information is necessary. Again, thank you for taking all of the time to read through this an replying in a timely matter of my posting this, your help is greatly appreciated! Also, thanks for the kind compliments in your message! I believe that because it is very difficult to fully realize what you want to do, having it all virtually changed was rough on me, that is why I just want to “revert” it back to the way it was.</p>

<p>Find out from your parents what they are able and willing to contribute, so that you know what kind of colleges you can afford. If your father wants you to attend a more expensive school than you are willing to attend due to cost, ask him how much he will contribute to the higher cost school (i.e. put his money where his mouth is).</p>

<p>If you are a New Jersey resident, there could be other New Jersey public universities to consider attending (e.g. Rutgers), either from freshman year, or as a transfer after attending the community college. Some top New Jersey students have reported getting very large merit scholarships at Rutgers which may make the remaining cost less than that of community college, so it may not hurt to check out what possibilities there are.</p>

<p>You might also give him the recent Bloomberg article on student debt:
[Student</a> Loans: Debt for Life - Businessweek](<a href=“Bloomberg - Are you a robot?”>Bloomberg - Are you a robot?)</p>

<p>It doesn’t make sense that a parent (or anyone else) take on debt.</p>

<p>It does not hurt to look at other options. However, if you consider several schools and your choice is still community college and transfering then you should stick with that.</p>

<p>Dont take out loans and go to a more expensive school to make your father happy. If you decide it is what you want then it would be ok. But you are the one who has to pay off loans, etc. It is your education - not your father’s.</p>

<p>I don’t believe in having a fight about something that you don’t have to fight about. Follow the plan you have set up for yourself, but agree with your father that you will apply to two or three schools that meet his criteria as well (and make sure they are places you otherwise like). Ask him to pay for the application fees. My guess is that IF you were accepted, a big if always at selective schools, AND you were offered sufficient financial aid to attend, THEN you can sit down with him next April and talk about how much HE is willing to pay, and how much debt HE is willing to assume. It may turn out that he is much wealthier than you realize and is willing to pay for it all. That’s his prerogative. But only then, in April, does it become a real discussion about where you will go to school in September. Before that, it’s just pointless arguing about nothing.</p>

<p>My guess is that this will be a non-issue. On the off-chance that you got into a highly selective school, and got a great offer (and/or he’s willing to pay for it), you could at that point discuss the merits of being home vs. away for school at that time, how much debt if any is worth the education, and what you really want. Know that people change a great deal in their senior year, so don’t rule it out off-hand.</p>

<p>Your father’s approach is over-bearing and heavy-handed, but that doesn’t mean he’s wrong to encourage you to be independent and consider your options more widely. He is not the ‘bad guy’ in this scenario, by any means. It’s just a shame that he and your mother can’t agree to disagree more civilly.</p>

<p>Obviously you don’t know the entire situation. I am the Mom and believe me when I say I have gone above and beyond to be civil. As far as “Dad” paying for college, he has a very minimal contribution and expects our son to get loans to make up the difference for what we don’t give him and any scholarship money if possible. My son doesn’t want to start his life in so much debt, and he doesn’t want to move away from home either. He comes and goes as he pleases and it makes more sense to me since he has no desire to leave to live at home and save his money. I have met and worked with too many kids fresh out of college who can’t even get a job in their field and pay tons of money out each month from what little they make to pay off their school loans. Not one of them has said it was worth it. All I have ever said to anyone was that I wanted my son to do whatever it was he wanted, I just wanted him to be happy. His dad is putting way too much pressure on him. I have already with my husband put 2 kids through college so this isn’t my first rodeo by any means.</p>

<p>M’s mom has a good plan IF you think you might like to go to one of these schools if you had the money and didn’t have to take on a lot of debt. If your dad will pay the application fee, pick a couple and apply. You can always say no if you don’t like the financial aid package and he won’t pay when the time comes.</p>

<p>“Obviously you don’t know the entire situation.”</p>

<p>Of course not. How could we? No one on cc ever knows ‘the entire situation.’ We see only what is presented to us, which is a kid who feels stuck in the middle when he doesn’t have to be. Sometimes wisdom means walking away from fight you don’t have to have. This is clearly one of those situations. No one is suggesting the the OP take on debt. No one is suggesting that the OP go to school somewhere he doesn’t want to go. What is being suggested is that the OP not argue about it with anyone since there is nothing at stake here.</p>

<p>The father should put his money where his mouth is (i.e. pay for any additional costs of a school that he is pushing that is more expensive than the current plan). If not, then what he says on the subject can just be ignored.</p>

<p>However, it does not hurt to check other options – if the student has any realistic chance of getting into MIT, there may be <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/financial-aid-scholarships/1348012-automatic-full-tuition-full-ride-scholarships.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/financial-aid-scholarships/1348012-automatic-full-tuition-full-ride-scholarships.html&lt;/a&gt; available (the full ride ones may result in even lower net cost than the current plan).</p>