Parents of rising seniors: Let the games begin

<p>Filling this out for myself since I post here sometimes:</p>

<p>scree name: celebrian25</p>

<p>Home State: ohio</p>

<p>Preferred Geographic Location: Midwest or Northeast</p>

<p>Any Specific Things looking for in a college: affordable, good chance of merit aid</p>

<p>Child's possible academic interests: pharmacy. Applying to lots of 6-yr pharmacy programs</p>

<p>Schools currently on child's list: university of toledo, ohio northern university, butler university, uconn, purdue, northeastern, duquesne university, and rutgers</p>

<p>schoo's we've visited: ohio northern university</p>

<p>celebrian...have you considered U of Rhode Island? They have an excellent pharmacy program plus they have some alumni relationship with one of the big pharmacies...and have EXCELLENT job placement. For the right students, the also give good merit aid. The campus almost in the middle of nowhere...but Rhode Island isn't all that big...with a car you can be in Boston, Providence or Newport pretty quickly.</p>

<p>thanks for the suggestion thumper, I'll be sure to check them out</p>

<p>It involves the 'supplement' for the online collega apps. If needed by the specific college and son wants to fill out, does anyone have tips for what 'font' and 'size' letter to use for best look? He wants to do all online if possible. >></p>

<p>Rubyred,
No fancy fonts. Times Roman is probably best and easiest to read. Font size should be 12 or if absolutely necessary 10. The goal is to make things easy for the admissions office - no need to be overly artistic or creative and, indeed, that could hurt. </p>

<p>Some schools require the supplements to be typed and sent in separately, others let you do them online. It all depends so double check.</p>

<p>Gee whiz, has it been 3 months since I checked in with this thread? </p>

<p>The list continues to evolve, and it's not getting any longer! There were only 3 colleges on the list to begin with: UCSC, UC Davis, and UC Berkeley. </p>

<p>UC Santa Cruz has dropped off the list. San Francisco State has been added. He likes the City, loves Berkeley, and he wants to stay in the area. One thing I can say about S...he knows what he wants. Looks like the apps are going to be pretty straight forward this time around. </p>

<p>We've started the "lasts," and it's a big deal for us because it's our youngest going out the door. I guess, I'm missing a parent gene because we are enjoying the process. I look at my S, and instead of worrying about AP summer homework or college essays or spending hours recalculating his weighted vs. non-weighted GPA, I'm seeing the young man. </p>

<p>He's healthy. He survived a disaster Junior year (medically okay, but a crap storm all year), and over the summer, he's grown up, now closer to eighteen than sixteen. He's put up with us and our constant pressure to shape him. The huge lesson dh and I have learned during the past 6 months is to turn our attention back toward each other. We found that when we redirected all of that prescribed energy into being a couple again, it took the pressure off of our son, and the newly formed Senior had room to emerge. Because we were so overidentified with him, we kept him stuck in adolescence for too long. And, frankly, we weren't that bad. But, we weren't allowing him to bear the full weight of responsibility for the things that mattered. </p>

<p>Where we are now is not the result of spending time on a therapist's couch. It came with letting go of controlling our son, somebody who is now pretty capable of controlling his own destiny. The more we let go of advising him (aka criticizing him), the more he opened up. Not rocket science psychology, but a big swing toward a positive outcome. Not an indictment, just an observation from another parent's pov. </p>

<p>We don't know how much power we really have as parents. What seems to us like a helpful nudge feels like a sucker punch to them. So, take it easy, and enjoy your son or daughter. Let them make mistakes and learn something that can't be measured by grades and test scores. Senior year might just turn out to be okay. :)</p>

<p>Sluggbugg, your words of wisdom came just at the right time for me. I've been spending the entire weekend thinking about my role in the college thing with my daughter, and I came to the conclusion that I need to bow out...now. She's more than capable of handling what needs to be done, but I think I've created a dynamic where she's more concerned with pleasing me than finding what pleases her. It's a situation that has been getting uglier by the day, and I find myself liking neither her or me.</p>

<p>I sent her an e-mail today (communicating in person about college has become next-to-impossible) asking her to a) register for an open house we're attending this weekend; b) review her college list as it stands, and if she has objections to any of the schools, remove and replace them with schools of her preference; and c) let me know by the end of the week which schools she wants to visit this fall, including when and how we'll get there (driving/train schedules/flight schedules). I told her I would help her anytime she needed it, but the difference will be that I'll help when she asks, rather than before.</p>

<p>I'm certain she'll be quite P-Od at me when she reads the e-mail, but in the long run, we'll both be better off for it. I'm sure there will be bumps in the road ahead (the first one being when I get home tonight!), but it's long past due. Thanks, Sluggbugg, for the encouraging words.</p>

<p>mezzomom,</p>

<p>I'm been forwarding some of the discussions here with no comments to my D's e-mail hoping to motivate her (she would never register here!). Perhaps if I really want to chat with her, I better get on AIM. ;)</p>

<p>Screen name: zannerina</p>

<p>Is your junior male or female: female</p>

<p>Home state: California</p>

<p>Preferred geographical location for college: No Preference</p>

<p>Any specific things looking for in a college (large, small, urban, etc.):
D prefers residential schools with a strong sense of community, opportunities for internships, study abroad programs, and a dance program. An ice rink on campus or nearby would also be ideal.</p>

<p>Child's possible academic interests:
D is undecided but leaning toward International Relations, Government, Journalism, and Writing.</p>

<p>Schools currently on child's list of possibilities:
Brown, Swarthmore, Georgetown, Claremont McKenna, Haverford, Carleton, Wesleyan, Reed, Tufts, GW, and the UC's. </p>

<p>Schools we've visited :
UCI, UCLA, UCD, UCB, Stanford, Georgetown, Swarthmore, Amherst, Princeton, Yale, Brown, Haverford, Chapman, Pomona, and Claremont McKenna. D is visiting Carleton next week.</p>

<p>Hey soon the specs listed on thread (for example, 'your Junior') will have to change....</p>

<p>Sluggbugg, Some day, I hope to have the honor of meeting you in person. Between your experiences with your daughter and your son, I feel like I have learned so much from you over the past few years.</p>

<p>Mezzomom, standing back is difficult to do, but I also had to make the decision to do so. Even so, I still have to keep reminding myself that my daughter is driving this truck, I'm just along to read the map if she asks for a bit of direction. :)</p>

<p>SBmom, I thought the same thing this morning. Don't know how to change the thread title though!</p>

<p>Took care of the title change. Moderator Skyhawk.</p>

<p>Mezz, stop by Sinner's Alley, if you feel the need. Lots of shoulders to cry on, and we'll give you booze (or, pop, or soda, or Coke--whatever!). :D</p>

<p>Carolyn, the feeling is quite mutual. You're really an inspiration to many parents, and I hope that some of your natural elegance and grace
will rub off on me. ;)</p>

<p>Celebrian, I would have added you, but I can't remember if you're male or female???</p>

<p>Daughters/Female Applicants: (57)</p>

<p>1ofeach - Mass
amatricia - NY
AnnaEuropa - Switzerland
Anoel - NY
Audiophile - Florida
Bookmom - Illinois</p>

<p>calmom - California
carolyn - California
Crabbylady - Alaska
csshsm - Louisiana
curmudgeon - Texas</p>

<p>dcmom3 - Maryland
echosensei - Michigan
eppsas - Alabama
fireflyscout - Texas
fishingmn - MN</p>

<p>Flounderingfree - Texas
GAdad - Georgia
hayden
holycow - Asia
Juana -IL</p>

<p>ladylazarus - NJ
lalady - California
klmcpa - California
Marny - NY
mel5140 - NJ</p>

<p>mep'smom Tennessee
mezzomom - Michigan
Momnipotent -Ohio
motherof4pearls - Tennessee
Motheroftwogirls - Mass</p>

<p>movinmom -Maine
musicmomic - Iowa
NCEph - North Carolina
ncsu1987 - Virginia
norcalcoastmom - California</p>

<p>nyc -NY
obesmom - NY
Paulchem - NY
pyewacket -Europe
quitejaded - Texas</p>

<p>samuck - England
sent! - DC
shojomo - California
smsmom - midwest
snorky - MI
socalmomof2 - California</p>

<p>SplashMom - Tennessee
taxguy - Maryland
theocmom - California
ThatMom - Georgia
Thumper1 - CT</p>

<p>wishingandhoping - Georgia
Xmere - Greater metropolitan DC/Maryland/VA area
Yankeegirl49 NY
YoMama - CA
zannerina - CA</p>

<p>Sons/Male Applicants: (48)</p>

<p>2sonmama - Kansas
3boysnjmom - NJ
andison-MA
ASAP - CA
atomom - Arkansas
Beacon - CA</p>

<p>Blizzard - MA
Bluebayou - CA
btysmom - FL
Cali - California
Cathymee - NY
debruns - CT
doddsmom & doddsdad - Germany</p>

<p>DrDrewsmom Idaho
deb922 - OH
Eagle79 - Rhode Island
Eulenspiegel - Oregon
gandert - Indiana</p>

<p>heidi - south
Iggal - CA -2 sons
jmac - Idaho
Justadog - 2 sons - CT</p>

<p>kathiep - PA
Katwkittens - NC
Karyblue - CA
Kissy - midwest
lanemom - Massachusetts</p>

<p>lddavis03 - Maryland
Mauimom - MD
Mommab - TN
Momofthree - Tennessee
MomofWildChild - Texas</p>

<p>Northeastmom - NJ
Northstarmom -
q's mom - NY
Rascal - VA
reasonabledad-MD
redstar - NY
Rubyred - NY</p>

<p>semamom - Mass
Shennie - WI
sluggbugg - CA
socalmomof2 - California
SouthJerseyChessMom - NJ</p>

<p>sweetkidsmom - CA
Wyogal - MD
andi is offline</p>

<p>I am a female. :)</p>

<p>Adding this mostly for the BUMP benefit, but I did want to follow-up on my last post about e-mailing my daughter. I had expected her to be quite irked with me, but just the opposite happened. She liked it; she really liked it! </p>

<p>We've since had some productive, low-stress conversations...she sat down and worked some more on the master calendar we're keeping and plugged in some tentative college visit dates, went through her music to consider potential audition pieces, and established a timeline for essays/apps/recs. All of this happened without a glare, eye roll, or arms crossed against the chest (by either of us ;)). She even asked me to e-mail her when deadlines are approaching; I'm to be her personal tickler.</p>

<p>Audiophile, with these results, I may become the Queen of IM once she's at college!</p>

<p>Those of us who went through this 12 months ago - I will speak for all although I have not been officially nominated - wish you all the best....This is a hard time in the parent/child dyad (as my brother the therapist would say) and you all should feel at least the ghosts of us who have gone before you and are ready to send our rising college freshman off. We know what you are going through and it isn't exactly documented in the literature.</p>

<p>What a summer. For this thread's record (which I think has much value and wisdom), here is where my daughter and I stand as she prepares to leave for senior year at boarding school.</p>

<p>She has visited: Columbia twice, U Chicago, NYU, Williams (with me); Stanford, Berkeley (with uncle); Johns Hopkins (with best friend). These visits were worth every minute and dollar spent; we have learned a great deal, far too much to summarize here. It has also been important for our relationship (so many of the posts above reveal the emotional growth inherent in this process). </p>

<p>Currently, she is wrestling with applying ED to Columbia. Even if financial aid were not a consideration, I think she would still be questioning this, because she felt very comfortable and welcomed at Chicago and NYU. Each offers her (somewhat differently) what she wants and needs academically and musically, she enjoyed the students she met, loves an urban campus. The Columbia "pull," as she puts it, remains, however. Perhaps because it's an Ivy... she is trying to understand it. She will speak with her college counselor shortly after she returns to school, and will also speak (again) to admissions reps when they visit her school this fall. </p>

<p>She liked Stanford but found it too suburban and not diverse enough for her; Berkeley impressed her more and she might apply (though it's no bargain for out-of-state students). Williams was also impressive but confirmed her certainty that she wants a large urban environment (she's been on a beautiful campus in the hills for four years, and we live in a tiny town nowhere special on eastern Long Island), a true core curriculum, and access to graduate courses and students, especially in French. She did not like Johns Hopkins at all, finding it too focused on pre-professional prep and not enough on education for its own sake. </p>

<p>Eye opening for me were conversations with financial aid officers at Columbia, Chicago and NYU. The criteria for application as a single parent are different at all three, with NYU the most forgiving of her spordically supportive father and Chicago the least. I felt welcome at all, however, which surprised me. I was very surprised at the variation in policies. I expect to be in close touch with these people; I hope they're still just as nice to me by the end of the process... </p>

<p>I think the ED issue will be a tough one for my daughter to solve in the next few weeks. There are so many variables confounding it. The rivalries between schools, the "crapshoot" of Ivy RD, the possibility of better financial aid elsewhere than Columbia will offer... U Chicago's need for information from her father (although I still have to clarify exactly what they require from him) complicates an otherwise straightforward application there. Otherwise, her acceptance chances are good and we could be reasonably sure of enough aid from them so that it might be worth holding off on Columbia ED to compare offers. But we don't know what her father's financial situation is and if he did cooperate in filing the forms, he might expose an income high enough to make her ineligible for need based aid (no matter that he has said I have to take him to court to get him to pay any EFC share). Or he might be unemployed... NYU and Columbia are both willing to disregard him, given his history of noninvolvement, which I find remarkable and generous. Single parents, take note.</p>

<p>For the record, given our work schedules, we just weren't able to fit in visits to U Penn and Yale, which were both on my daughter's list. Her school might help arrange those this fall if she really wants to go, but I don't hear that from her right now. She will, however, probably spend a night at Columbia with former classmates there. </p>

<p>It will be so interesting if this thread can track where our children wind up a year from now... at the moment, in our lives, I don't dare guess.</p>

<p>Your description of your daughter's and your impressions and thoughts on the college selection and application process are very insightful. It is obvious that you have a good handle on the many different factors to be considered.
I am curious about something you mentioned in your post, even though it was not your main point. You mentioned that Stanford was not diverse enough for your daughter. I can definitely understand that Stanford would not appeal to her, since she is attracted to urban environments like Columbia, NYU, Chicago, and Berkeley. But as far as diversity, Stanford is one of the most ethnically diverse schools in the country with less than 50% Caucasians and very high percentages of black, Hispanic, and Asian students. Or did you mean diversity of some other factors unrelated to ethnic background?</p>

<p>Hi All! I am dealing with an S who is not on the same page as I am. In starting senior year he has secured a very close "crew" of friends who all know they will be going in different directions within nine months. I can't describe the look in his eyes... not panic, nor sadness, just an intense, quite stillness. Given he is not stepping up to the college challenge, we need to start sending out apps in two months! Nagging I am good at, but I see and feel I must give respect to this stage of passing childhood.</p>

<p>Slow day, with the luxury of time to enjoy this.</p>

<p>My daughter visited Stanford in early August and said she "didn't see a single black person" either on campus or among the admissions visitors. We are both white, but live in an area with friends and neighbors of many races and ethnicities, her school district is almost 50% students of color, and her boarding school is similarly diverse. So yes, she did mean ethnically. I was surprised by her impression too but it was seconded by my brother, who is gay, has lived in NYC most of his life and has very sharp antennae. Perhaps it was due to visiting during the summer without the regular campus population present?</p>