<p>i wear what's "in". you think im conforming to society, but im just wearing what i like. </p>
<p>shoes: either uggs, flats, chucks, vans</p>
<p>jeans: skinnies</p>
<p>shirts: polos or tshirts from abercrombie, hollister, american eagle, nordstrom, and macy's. </p>
<p>im more mall preppy, and i am in that clique that's considered preppy. i accept it and enjoy it even if i am conforming to society. although, i do hate how nike high tops are becoming in style for girls paired with skinnies. that i refuse to wear</p>
<p>hmm wal-mart clothes, interesting. does he ever get made fun off for that? (im not trying to be mean though, just wondering. cause at my school, you're seen wearing walmart clothes, they automatically call welfare baby or "poor". (true story, i was with my friend and this girl was wearing a hideous outfit and he like totally terrorized her asking her if she bought those from wal-mart, that they were ugly, and then promptly asking her if her family was on welfare. he did this infront of everyone too and we all laughed) now that i realize it, i feel guilty about laughing at her)</p>
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im more mall preppy, and i am in that clique that's considered preppy. i accept it and enjoy it even if i am conforming to society. although, i do hate how nike high tops are becoming in style for girls paired with skinnies. that i refuse to wear</p>
<p>hmm wal-mart clothes, interesting. does he ever get made fun off for that?
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<p>Wal-Mart doesn't have a great selection when it comes to cute stuff, anyway. I hate going there and seeing ugly stuff. I guess at least they're cheap ugly clothes?</p>
<p>Oh, and I've always wondered, what is it like going some place with cliques? My school has never really had any.</p>
<p>cliques are just groups of people that usually have something in common i guess. some cliques can be based of race or religion (at my school, all the latinos hang out together. this is the most exclusive (and really intimidating). then the somalian muslims (understandable though) and then the african americans tend to hang out together but we intergrate a lot. then the asians, from what i can tell, i was looking at this huge group and i realized the whole group was asian (this samoan guy specifically said that he had preference for other samoans) groups are usually people who have same beliefs, personalities, lifestyles.</p>
<p>starcrossed, im also against walmart. just imagine all those sweatshops with 5 year olds working 12 hour shifts for one dollar per hour (well, im actually not sure how much they make it china)</p>
<p>Are you talking about my son wearing clothes from Wal-Mart? I never said that. We don't have a Wal-Mart anywhere near us. I said that I find that Abercrombie is LESS EXPENSIVE THAN WAL-MART. Abercrombie always has great stuff on their clearance shelves (great meaning soft with easy-to-remove tags.) Though, my son wouldn't care if his clothes were from Wal-Mart. LOL. Kids at his school are very cool. Some are very wealthy, some are on free-lunch, some have Ivy-educated parents, some have parents who never went to college--and I can't think of a single one who is label conscious, though a few are particular about their athletic shoes. Seriously. Our house is the hang out for the entire grade. I know these things. I am also the parent who chaperones the mass trips to the local mall--10-12 of them at a time. The girls will occasionally shop for a few minutes, and pick up a shirt they like that they see in the window or something. You wouldn't catch the guys in the stores. They go for the movies, the food and the company. This is why I find the tone of this conversation so disconcerting. I dislike the idea of trading the accepting, non-judgmental cohort my son has here for something very...different. It just never occurred to me that the kids here were not the norm...</p>
<p>Just about everything you wear has probably come from a factory like that. Sorry to break the news to you. And no one knows its Wal-Mart if they've never been there.</p>
<p>Have you ever read Great Gatsby we30? East egg is around and I believe that is the richest part of the whole United States, their mansions are unbelievable (:.</p>
<p>And Wal Mart isn't even THAT cheap. I don't know why people wear it; their clothes are like the same price as Abercrombie/Hollister/AE on clearance, and it looks all scratchy and uncomfortable. Why would you wear something that's really... un good looking if its only like 2 dollars cheaper than something that's more comfortable and nicer?</p>
<p>Mmm. I wear the same clothes as Senay does, except not skinny jeans. I really don't care if they're In right now, they make everyone look waaay shorter than they really are.</p>
<p>And I don't think you're conforming to society or being a tool for wearing AE/Hollister/Abercrombie. I mean. I like their clothes. And for some reason, at my school right now it's like only surf shop clothes like Roxy and Billabong and Hurley, and I'm the only one who hasn't switched to their stuff. Hahah, my school's weird.</p>
<p>And about cliques... They're really just groups of similar people, but its not like they're so cliquey like in movies. I have a group of really close friends, but since we don't have any of the same classes, I hang out with other friends too. And two of my closest friends are in different cliques because they're not really close to my other friends... I guess you can tell who's in a clique by who they sit with during lunch periods.</p>
<p>I hate people that call other people tools for what they wear. they are tools. </p>
<p>I like A&F, etc. the clothes do look good (most of them). Am I such a tool for LIKING something? am I so CONFORMIST for WEARING WHAT I LIKE, and not WEARING WHAT YOU THINK I SHOULD WEAR????!!!!!</p>
<p>don't you see how hypocritical that sounds?</p>
<p>I don't understand why people focus on this much at all. When I see someone with "Hollister" plastered onto their chest, I see a shirt. I don't see a price tag; it just doesn't matter to me. If it looks good on them, then that's great. If it's comfortable, if it's not pricey, if it looks good, then I'll wear it. If someone likes A&F, they like A&F. I don't shop there, how does it affect me? If you look down on someone for shopping at Wal-Mart, remember that there's someone out there who looks down at you for shopping at Hollister or Roxy or A&F.</p>
<p>(And the word "tool" is just annoying no matter who you're referring to, unless used in the context of being a piece of equipment.)</p>
<p>I'm not trying to base how much of a "tool" someone is if I don't know them. I know everyone in my grade, so I know how they act, what they're into, how they used to be, etc. I call THEM tools because they have CONFORMED completely. Some of my best friends from elementary school make fun of me now because of what I do and how I act now. That's the crap the bothers me. And I also despise people who associate themselves with a "clique".</p>
<p>You're calling other people who conformed tools -- yet you hate everyone that identifies themselves with a clique? And how can someone conform "completely"? This whole argument is so objective that it really makes no sense to be using it.</p>
<p>And don't get me wrong -- I don't know you. But, as a general rule, if you're going to call someone a tool you shouldn't make dumb (once again, a very objective term) generalizations. Just about everyone identifies themselves with a certain group of people, generally known as a "clique".</p>
<p>Ok, just to clarify, I wasn't calling you a tool on what you WANT to wear... I read a post(I don't know which one) but it was where one's friend started dressing like the people in her grade because she did not want to be socially excluded and became a "clone". This is what annoyed me and I ranted about how this person is a tool because I don't believe in the idea of "lets do something because someone else is doing it!" but I do believe in mythic individualism; where you allow your ideas to express freely without hindrance from other opinions such as fashion for instance. If you do not like A and F, and is not your style why wear it? because someone else is? That is what ticked me off.</p>
<p>and izzy, I think you're misconstruing my statement, all I said was if you do not like it? why wear it? because you adhere to other people's ideas and do not follow your own sense of style. If you're excluded so be it, at the end of the day you have your self and you should feel a sense of empowerment. (you as in the general public) </p>
<p>If you do like these clothes and love to wear em than "KUDOS" for you. </p>
<p>I apologize if I offended anyone on this thread. If you have a problem with me just PM me and I'll gladly have a nice chat with you.</p>
<p>Tiger--Got it. Makes sense in that context.</p>
<p>I just hope that others aren't:</p>
<p>A: assuming that kids are blind conformists just because they choose to wear a certain style of clothing (because that IS their personal style and is just as valid as yours)</p>
<p>B: assuming that all kids choose their clothes to reflect their own personalities, styles, etc. (because I know many--especially of the male persuasion--who do not)</p>
<p>C: assuming that all kids choose to "wear" their mythic individualism (because there are many other meaningful and appropriate ways to demonstrate your individualism that do not include spending vast sums of money purchasing someone else's mass-produced idea of what makes you an individual. Seriously...)</p>
<p>But I do love that term, "mythic individualism"...lol. Just seems a bit incongruous to show one's individualism by wearing something that thousands/millions of other people are wearing, too. I'm just sayin'... ;-) If you're wearing a brand name that other people recognize and wear themselves, you are signaling your agreement with THEIR choices, signaling that you are one of them, thus...oh, nevermind. I'm done. lol...</p>
<p>Oh shoot, before I was "Done", I meant to add that I feel MUCH better about my son's chances of social survival after comments made by xoogabyxoo, goldilon, and others. There's hope for the class of 2013 yet. I'll be able to sleep tonight...after I fold all of those Abercrombie shirts stacked on top of the dryer.</p>
<p>Haha, Happykidsmom! I'm sure there are plenty of normal (well.. relatively normal. you know!) kids out there, whose lives don't revolve around Vogue and Cosmopolitan..</p>
<p>(I'm probably not one to talk, since my life revolves around books, music, friends, and SCHOOL, but you know..)</p>
<p>Yah, there are plenty of normal semi-normal BS kids. I hear that BS kids tend to be very exclusive, unwelcoming to newcomers, and cliquey. Of course that is expected when you spend all of your waking hours with your classmates.</p>
<p>o0o0 i was doing a spree yesterday in downtown seattle, and i passed brooks brothers. oh em gee, it was worse then j. crew. at least j. crew sticks with neutral colors. i saw a puke green suit with a red bow tie at the display windows. fashion nightmare, that's what it is</p>