Does the school provide undergrad shadowing or are students advised to do it at home? Some of these hospitals allow volunteering ( it might be competitive to get?) through premed clubs etc, but not necessarily shadowing. They end up shadowing at home or elsewhere during breaks and summers. I would ask. I would also have her ask about volunteering with different types of populations, and research if interested. Check out the clubs on campus that will allow for different volunteering experiences.
Ask about shadowing indeed. But UWIsconsin is a very good school, no doubt about it.
âHonors in Biologyâ is different from Honors College. Itâs like âHonoursâ in the UK, where students write a thesis.
What she wants is the Honors College (although at Wisconsin there are fewer perks, itâs still worth it.)
She should try to get into BIOCORE, a special integrated sequence.
They offer Biology as part of CALS
https://cals.wisc.edu/academics/undergraduate-students/outside-the-classroom/honors-program/
https://cals.wisc.edu/
as well as A&S
http://ls.wisc.edu/areas-of-study/sciences
https://honors.ls.wisc.edu/#
Look carefully at the differences in requirements, sequences, and flexibility. For a premed, the ability to take Bioethics or Philosophy as a minor can be very useful. Research is required for a future MD/PHD.
These are the possible residential communities
http://www.housing.wisc.edu/residencehalls-lc-crc.htm
http://www.housing.wisc.edu/residencehalls-lc-ilc.htm
http://www.housing.wisc.edu/residencehalls-lc-biohouse.htm
http://www.housing.wisc.edu/residencehalls-lc-blc.htm
https://medhist.wisc.edu/courses/listcourses.php?year=2017&term=fall
But this is not exceptional - many universities have LLCâs, etc. So, explore the websites and email the departments.
Hi Upitt said that if SAT scores do go up after her October SAT (that is not too late) My D may email them and send the new scores. We can then re-review her for Honors College eligibility (student must request this re-review).
How about university of Georgia? It offers pre med options? Hospitals on Campus?
Again, the issue isnât âhospital on campusâ but âcan my child get into the Honors College there?â
UGA has a stronger Greek and football presence than some of the other universities mentioned before, so try to look into fit. For a good shot, sheâs need 1480-1500 on the SAT and a high weighted GPA (4.1+).Itâs a top 10 Honors college in the country.
https://honors.uga.edu/p_s/first-year_profile_this_year.html
http://publicuniversityhonors.com/2016/08/08/honors-testimonials-georgia-honors-program/
Many schools offer " pre med options."
Having a hospital on campus is not enough. Can your daughter join clubs that allow for volunteering in the hospital? How competitive is it to get these opportunities? Volunteering is not the same as shadowing.
Will your daughter take advantage of volunteering opportunities outside of her comfort zone? Are these opportunities available?
I also agree about the honors program.
Of course my D will make the best to fulfill the honors requirements as the opportunities of volunteering, shadowing and research that she loves.
She e-mail yet all the universities that you sent to be informed about the pre med options, honors college and LLCâs, but she still dreaming about UW!!! Hopefully she will make an early action application with a better SAT exam before November 1st.
Now we would like to ask you about majors and minors. Any consideration? Can she double major? She loves Biology and it is doing really well in IB math⊠what she could choose that will give her other options instead of medical field and on the other hand will give her the opportunities to be on the pre med track?
Admission to Honors isnât automatic, its competitive on top of being admitted to the university, and criteria vary depending on the universityâŠso if sheâs admitted obviously she will fulfill their requirements but she may not be, as what happened at pitt, and if sheâs not admitted cross out that university. Pitt values high test scores, UWisconsin and Penn State Schreyer value essays and motivation/initiative, Georgia has a high test threshold but not sure what else they valueâŠ
Premed is an intention, not a major. She can major in anything she wants. English majors,
Math majors, Philosophy majors, Music majorsâŠdo well in med school admissions, because theyâve shown they can be top 10-20% in their science classes against science majors AND be top 10-20% in a totally different academic field.
She doesnât need to major or minor in anything specific to take classes in the subject. Many premeds with a science major also take a minor in medical humanities/bioethics, but she could take two phikosophy clasees, two neuroscience classes, etc. Honors colleges generally allow their students to take graduate classes when theyâre juniors which is also good if the student has a passion for a science field.
Bioinformatics, data science, Biostatistics, public health are all good majors with various graduate possibilities and job prospects if med school doesnât pan out.
The premed pre-reqs are: two semesters each of biology, inorganic chemistry, organic chemistry, English (written/oral communication, such as composition, speech, professional writing on the sciences, and/or literature), and physics + one semester each of calculus, Biostatistics or statistics, psychology, sociology, a diversity-focused class, biochemistry, bioethics, and neuroscience or neurobiology, anatomy or human biology (not all are required everywhere, the last four are apprecoated rsther than required, but all will be helpful regardless of med school). Most classes listed cover general education requirements.
MYOS1634 you gave us a lot of help. How prepared you are to support the aspiring pre med students. Thank you very much! My D applyed yet for UNC chapel hill and U Georgia. Now she is finishing the UW Madison and CU Boulder until waits for the Sat exam results on Set 20.
.UPitt
.Unc Chapel hill
.U Georgia
.UW Madison first option 
.CU Boulder
@rgp2000 Some observations:
Any state public school is at the mercy of those running the state and their inclination to properly fund the institutions. In Wisconsin, the funding process is in disarray. The current government in Wisconsin has been cutting funding. This leaves the university system little choice but to cut programs. These are things you should consider.
If your D has improved her SAT scores (> 1500) then you should certainly consider the University of Maryland. But their application deadline is Nov. 1.
Best of luck to your daughter,
IMHO
@rgp2000 Since you are going to full pay as an international, why are you looking at these top public schools? Public schools are mostly for In State applicants with lower tuition and better Financial Aids, OOS students, especially Internationals with premed intention should also look into private LACs and some of them have good track records in med school placements and some times with good merit scholarship. Public schools have very large classes, especially for those basic sciences for med school prerequisites, therefore it is easy to get lost in them and difficult to get LOR from professors. Also, public schools have little financial help to internationals.
In addition, as an international, you need to be the top student in each school to be able to get into med school, so a strong Committee Letter is essential, school like Holy Cross has such Committee Letter for its top students. Whereas the public schools might not have such.
Lastly, I and many others on cc strongly discourage internationals to attempt a US med school, MD or DO, because most likely the outcome is Family Practice and its been proven over and over again with my IMG doctor friends, dead, retired or in practice.
âLastly, I and many others on cc strongly discourage internationals to attempt a US med school, MD or DOâ
I can not emphasize this enough. You most likely will be spending all this money for an undergraduate education with no where to go except maybe medical school in the Caribbean. It is good to be optimistic but you really have to be realistic about the chances of admission. The odds are against you. Sorry to be negative but I feel you are creating a false hope for your child. Just because you have the money to fully pay for a medical school education is not enough. The student has to be an excellent student. One of the best. I donât see a positive outcome out of this.
If your child wants to be a doctor their best bet is to study locally where they live and if they still want to come here come as a foreign medical graduate.
I strongly second the suggestions of excellent liberal arts colleges that will offer more personalized support to an international premed (St Olaf, Rhodes, Dickinson), along with Honors colleges with medical partnerships (look into them - I now of Penn State Schreyer/hershey medical center).
Keep in mind that there are two pathways to becoming a physician in the US, MD and DO school; both train doctors who can open a practice, work in hospital or clinics, etc. Ther is also a sort of generalist practioner caled a âPAâ, or Physicianâs assistant, who must work within a medical facility and provide primary care.
But, all in all, itâs true that if youâre paying full price, attending a (private) LAC would make more sense, especially since you could hope for merit money.
What do you think about the St. Louis University medical scholars program?
SLUâs Medical Scholars program is not a guaranteed admission program. Students are required to maintain 3.65 or better GPA/sGPA, take the MCAT in the spring of junior year and achieve a minimum score that is based upon the average scores of SLU matriculants from the previous year. There are strict EC requirements as well. Students who meet all the program requirements must still pass a medical school admission interview. Students can be dismissed from the program at any time without a reason being given. Students are not told until the end of junior year whether they will be considered for medical school admission. 40% of students do not get medical school admission.
Admission to the Medical Scholars Program is extremely competitive.
As WOWM, more importantly, you need to email each BS/MD, BS/DO or EA(ie. SLU Medical Scholars) programs to find out if they accept international applicants and if so how much Escrow you have to set to matriculate. As I understand, the amount of escrow vary from school to school and it could be as much as 4 years total COA.
The things to consider in that SLU program, more premed student has lower GPA in the freshman because the weed out classes and they can catch up the GPA in the higher level science classes. SLU require 3.65 GPA in every year, if one slip in one of the years, you will be dismissed from the program.
One more thing, ALL BS/MD, BS/DO or EA programs will most likely need a personal interview at the med school. If the applicant is out of US, it is almost impossible to be scheduled for interviews as some interview notifications do not give enough time for international travel. And to apply for those combined programs are very risky proposition, you could fly all over but not getting any offer. With a SAT 1350, you should really think twice about that, since most applicants have better stats than that. To me, the for profit CNU bs/md program is the most likely for the OP.
In addition, those combined programs will require medical ECs before applying and if you donât have that, it is very unlikely successful.
the for profit is horrible!
But I agree that short of 1450 applying to BS/MD programs is a waste of money.
Thank you for all information!!! My D was selected to pursue the Honors in the liberal arts degree in the college of Letters and Science at the University of Wisconsin Madison.