Prep school for bright kid who hates school?

<p>My younger son is in 8th grade and has been on strike for about three years. He's a good kid and likes to work but hates academics. He's done a minimal amount of HW, refuses to participate in class and gets lousy grades and negative comments on his report cards. But he continues to do well on standardized tests, usually scoring between 95% and 98%.</p>

<p>Is there a prep school for him? There's no way he'd get into one of the better ones and even if he did they'd kick his butt out within two weeks. And he doesn't belong in a school for bad kids either. We're open to an alternative school or if there is some place that caters to kids like him we'd look into it.</p>

<p>Any suggestions appreciated.</p>

<p>Edit: Forgot to mention: We live in the Northeast, near NYC.</p>

<p>This might be one for an educational consultant - someone who knows a great deal about different schools and could really highlight your son’s strengths. I don’t have any personal experience with educational consultants, but I have often found that experience, connections and expertise are worth paying for. (The first thing that came to my mind was military school.)</p>

<p>Why does he hate school? Does it seem worthless to him? Has the school labeled him?</p>

<p>I’m sure there is something out there for him. Hopefully someone with more experience on this board can answer your question more effectively.</p>

<p>I wonder why he hates school too. I wonder what he would think about boarding schools - I’m ‘letting’ her go to boarding school, but I couldn’t ‘send’ her there if she wasn’t excited. I wonder if there is an underlying reason he hates school: social, academic etc.</p>

<p>My second daughter hates school, tests well, but educational testing has shown us why she finds the whole thing fatiguing. It is much harder for her than some other kids and it wears her out.</p>

<p>Are there other areas (sports, the arts, other ec’s) that your son excels in? What type of school is he currently in? Has he always done poorly or was their a time in the younger grades when he liked school? Did you notice anything that precipitated this dislike of doing the actual schoolwork…a change of schools, friends, etc?</p>

<p>This calls for Sylvia Rimm. Read her advice or try to get an appointment with her. Seriously.</p>

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<p>Another question (sorry for all the questions, but I feel like we can address your query better if we have a bit more info): Does your son want to attend bs or are your trying to make him do this?</p>

<p>First I would like to say that if your son DOES NOT want to go to boarding school, DO NOT send him. If he gets in anywhere, he’ll be very unhappy with his situation, and ultimately you. The resentment that he may come to feel for you could be immense, and though there is a chance that it may be good for him, there’s a larger chance that he’ll never forgive you for it. Plus, if he HATES school so much, it could be mentally and emotionally destructive for him to LIVE in one.</p>

<p>End of my rant. :)</p>

<p>You may want to look into home schooling. </p>

<p>You can design your own curriculum as well as work on skills you believe he needs most. One can study math for three hours a day, go play soccer, practice art or music and then cook dinner for the rest of the family. A whole year of math can be successfully accomplished in six weeks this way, then onto Russian history and reading Tolstoy. Do not let the school system dictate how, or even what, he needs to learn. In other words, get out of the box. </p>

<p>School can be bad for some children.
Of course the opposite extreme is to put him where he will be most restricted. The middle road I would say is not working out. Extreme measures are required for extreme problems.</p>

<p>I agree with Sadie about the Home-schooling route, but I don’t think Boarding school is the answer for your son.</p>

<p>Dazzlezzz,
I don’t know about that-
while I do agree with you that it isnt advisable,
one of my older friends applied, but he wanted to stay at his public school.
He ended up attending Exeter, and he des not regret it, he LOVED his time there.
But that probably wont happen for everyone :]</p>

<p>We have friends who have had tremendous success with the Hyde School.</p>

<p>Has your son visited (preferably toured) a boarding school?</p>

<p>MidwestMom2Kids_ is spot on. Smart kids are often “special ed” or “special needs” students, too. Brightness doesn’t equal wisdom or self-motivation. You’re correct in thinking that top schools have no need to take on students who are “projects” or “works in progress.” I think there are many schools (day and boarding), however, that are well-suited to grooming students with high potential to be the more well-rounded students that the most competitive schools draw from exclusively. Boarding schools can be well suited to this end, as the experience is more holistic and doesn’t isolate the academics from other experiences he presumably engages in with some passion.</p>

<p>But he’s got to be on board. There has to be a spark before you can expect a fire within to be kindled. What makes you think he’s got it in him? If you’re just guessing that it’s there and haven’t yet given him a closeup look at a boarding school, set up a tour. Even at one of the top schools. See if there’s a flicker after he gets a taste of that.</p>

<p>A quick google check shows a number of different Hyde Schools. Which one?</p>

<p>I’ll try to respond to the other posters later tonight.</p>

<p>We know a family that had good luck with a “difficult” teenager at the Hyde School in Maine. Very successful. Student now doing very well at small liberal arts college in Upstate New York, when he was on a path to drugs, the wrong crowd, etc.</p>

<p>[Please</a> wait…](<a href=“http://www.hyde.edu/Default.asp?bhcp=1]Please”>http://www.hyde.edu/Default.asp?bhcp=1)</p>

<p>Home school. Let him do what he wants. PM me with any questions.</p>

<p>The “Please wait” link in my post below will take you to the Hyde Maine website…why it says that instead of the title page, I have no idea.</p>

<p>There is one in Bath, Me and one in Connecticut. Our friends sent their daughter to the one in CT and it transformed her - in the best sense of the word. She’ll be graduated from George Washington University’s School of Media next year. We live in DC and have seen her periodically and she’s doing great.</p>

<p>The other Hyde is in Bath Maine. Despite the fact that I drive past it about 100 times every summer, I know less about that campus than I do the CT one. I would recommend starting a conversation with Admissions and see where it takes you.</p>

<p>One thing I do know is that when Hyde admits a student, they’re also admitting a family. This is not a transformation of child with parents in absentia. You’ll be a part of your child’s growth.</p>

<p>I do not know much about the Hyde Schools, but I would look into them before sending your child to them…or any therapeutic type school. I have read and heard some really horrible things about them. Of course, this may not be the same school with the same problems, but research is always necessary.</p>

<p>Thanks for all the replies. The Hyde School is worth looking at. The problem is that the problem isn’t psychological, he just hates school. As for home schooling…thanks for the suggestion…but if you knew him and us parents…let’s just say I don’t see it working for us. But thanks, seriously, for the concern and effort.</p>

<p>I know he’s your son, but I’m going to go out on a short limb and disagree with you and say that he does not hate school. First of all, that’s like saying he hates religion. Sure, there are things about school (or religion) that people may hate. But it’s not school itself – or in its entirety – that he hates.</p>

<p>We know this much because he shows up to school. He’s on “strike,” as you say, but he hasn’t quit, has he? People quit jobs that they hate. They go on strike when they want to keep their job but make it more palatable. I think you’re right when you say that he’s on strike. And that’s why we know he doesn’t hate school.</p>

<p>So this is where you need to be – or find – a diagnostician. What is it about school that he hates? If he’s on “strike” (and I believe that you used an apt term if ever there was one for this kind of apathy), what are his demands?</p>

<p>He probably doesn’t know what they are. He probably doesn’t even realize he’s on strike. He’s just “checking out” from the system because so much about school is just utterly ridiculous. From the homework – which is just pointless for a kid who performs well on his tests – to the class discussions. If he’s doing well on tests, then all of those things come across to him like needless busy work. Having independently attained the end they’re designed to produce, he has no use for the trials and tribulations of homework and class discussions. Other kids may need to engage in those tasks in order to acquire knowledge, but not your son. You’ve got to give him credit for having that much self-awareness!</p>

<p>And that’s the part where a total stranger like me KNOWS that he doesn’t hate school. You’ve described a kid who’s still engaged enough to show people that he’s got the right stuff. If he fully hated school and had “quit” instead of gone “on strike,” he wouldn’t bubble in those standardized tests, would he? Yet he’s bubbling away – and, as he does so, he’s screaming out to you and his teachers that this is all a piece of cake and he doesn’t need to go through the same boring, tedious route to acquire knowledge that most of his peers need to follow.</p>

<p>So, what activities engage him? What does he do – in or out of school – that captures his imagination, holds his interest, and/or stokes his intellectual curiosity? Keep steering him in those directions.</p>

<p>He’s probably tired of being penalized and reprimanded for knowing the material so well that he doesn’t need to follow the path that’s been laid out for most kids. It doesn’t make sense to him. Here he is, bright as a button and the teachers are on his case! What’s up with that? If you think about it, that’s got to really suck for a young teen. Here he is, understanding everything he’s being asked to understand and getting zinged and dinged and treated as an pain in the butt (which, no doubt, he is at times) just because he’s not complying with the process for understanding everything he’s being asked to understand.</p>

<p>The really sad part is that – if I’m describing him correctly – he’s very typical and educators should recognize what’s going on and work with him as vigorously as they do with other students who have special needs. Too many educators, however, interpret his attitude as confrontational and rebellious. If it come so easy to him, then his failure to keep up his assignments must be a personal insult or intentional disobedience. So his teachers are probably battling him instead of helping him. And that sure isn’t helping to change his attitude, is it?</p>

<p>Read those books suggested early on in this thread. And, then find a learning environment for him that isn’t so anal retentive about the process of learning BUT instills in him the mental discipline and social skills needed to play by the rules later on so that he doesn’t go through life screwing himself over and over again. He needs to be in a place where he’s allowed to bend without making the teachers have conniption fits. He also needs to be in a place where he will learn that the world is not for him to bend as he pleases. </p>

<p>I think there are plenty of great schools out there that would appreciate a student like him and help him grow and mature and learn to love learning again. As a parent, be a zealous advocate for him and get his teachers clued into what’s going on and get them to give him the extra attention he needs. </p>

<p>If his current school hasn’t yet zeroed in on what’s happening, you’re the only person in your child’s life who can play this role for him. Make sure the school develops an understanding that smart kids can require extra attention, too. And, in the meantime, start searching for the kind of academic setting where your son is not an aberration; a place where’s he another typical bright child who needs help developing an appreciation for the process of learning.</p>

<p>That’s why I think a boarding school might work for him. If he’s in a community where there’s so much interdependence weaving through the daily life of the school, I bet he’ll be more likely to learn the value of doing things that aren’t so thrilling for him personally, but are worth doing anyway because they lift up the larger community. If he’s living with students, he’ll be more likely – just for example – to see that his participation in class will make the class better off, even if he personally isn’t getting much out of a particular discussion. </p>

<p>He’ll pick up on these little things when some kid on his hall changes his laundry over to the dryer before the wash mildews on your son. A boarding school is likely to present challenges for your son outside of academics where he’ll see that he’s not an island. (At least not a self-sufficient one.) And when he leans on people and they prop him up in areas where he’s not so strong, he’ll see why it makes sense to come to class prepared and ready to discuss the material even though it’s a breeze for him.</p>