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<p>Thanks, GoBlue81. :)</p>

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<p>There are only eight schools in the Ivy League, so there can only be eight public Ivies:</p>

<p>Berkeley, Michigan, UCLA, Virginia, North Carolina, Wisconsin, Texas, and one more.</p>

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<p>Berkeley
UCLA
Texas
Chapel Hill
Miami of Ohio
W&M
Georgia Tech
UWash
UVA
Maryland
Indiana
Urbana-Champaign
Ohio State
Penn State
Pitt
Michigan
Wisconsin
Purdue
Iowa
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<p>It all depends on what you find important. If you’re looking for engineering some of these colleges are practically useless (I’m looking at you two, Virginia and W&M).</p>

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<p>"There are only eight schools in the Ivy League, so there can only be eight public Ivies:</p>

<p>Berkeley, Michigan, UCLA, Virginia, North Carolina, Wisconsin, Texas, and one more."</p>

<p>The tenth school would either be UIUC or Washington. Slight edge to UIUC.</p>

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<p>how does one do the quote thing? I keep doing it wrong :/</p>

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<p>^^ Thanks for point that out, rjk!! I actually initially thought the same!.. lol</p>

<p>And once again, I am shameless to predict that "one more spot,” or the Top-8 will certainly be including Ohio State!! Why, you ask? It’s actually very simple!! Here are just some of the reasons:</p>

<p>Assuming you know that you would need a score of no less than 80 points on the final in order to pass a challenging course, would you study your tail off and shoot for exactly 80 points on the exam? A-wise-student, as do most people would certainly try to shoot for 85 or higher, leaving a bit of wiggling room for safety. Likewise, in the case of TOSU, every top administrator should have realized that in order to formulate a strategic plan with an aim to achieve Top-10 status recognized nationally if not internationally, you simply do not aim for #8, #9 or #10 spot, you aim for #5, #6, #7 spot at worst for safety.</p>

<p>*Look carefully!! You will realize that I did NOT underlined the excerpt taken from Provost Alutto’s Address to the University Senates last month!! His tone clearly conveyed if not embraced this aspiration as an appropriate goal by decade end. This goal was carefully defined after years of hands-on experiences identifying various school issues and potentials. Moreover, it has been facilitated through countless on-going discussions with the school faculties, staffs as well as outside experts over the years to put together such a plan if not boasting such an audacious plan with confidence. </p>

<p>Excerpt: </p>

<p>Being Excellent and Becoming Eminent – Original Draft</p>

<p>“I believe the goal that is sufficiently ambitious yet appropriate given our aspirations is that by 2020 Ohio State University will be consistently recognized as being among the top ten of all public, comprehensive research universities.” </p>

<p>Original Address: [Provost</a> Alutto’s Address to the University Senate 2012 - Office of Academic Affairs - The Ohio State University](<a href=“http://oaa.osu.edu/provost-address-to-senate-2012.html]Provost”>http://oaa.osu.edu/provost-address-to-senate-2012.html)</p>

<p>Obvious, I am here to provide you with a little more evidence. See this recent article,</p>

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<p>“Our Greek system right now is about 8 percent, too small. It should be 15 percent,” Gee said.</p>

<p>Why I asked myself? It turned out that both UCLA and Michigan Greek system (not sure about Cal) comprise exactly 15% of its student body based on their websites. Coincidence maybe?</p>

<p>Furthermore, why after $250 million South Campus Dorm Renovation, President Gee is ordering additional $500 million for new dorms to be built both in North and West Campus, adding additional 3200 beds for the Sophomores? Are there any Top-10 or Top-20 Public Schools forcing their Sophomores to live on the dorms? What are the motives besides perhaps more revenues for the school?</p>

<p>Academics!</p>

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<p>“Ohio State students who came to the university in 2008 and lived in residence halls for two years had a 92 percent second-year retention rate, while 80.4 percent of those who moved off campus after one year enrolled for a second year, according to Student Life.
“The evidence is so dramatically clear,” Gee said. “It will improve the quality of life, it will improve the graduation rates … the intellectual environment will improve.””</p>

<p>Source: [Gee:</a> More time on campus enhances college experience - Campus - The Lantern - Ohio State University](<a href=“http://www.thelantern.com/campus/gee-more-time-on-campus-enhances-college-experience-1.2807391?firstComment=20]Gee:”>http://www.thelantern.com/campus/gee-more-time-on-campus-enhances-college-experience-1.2807391?firstComment=20)</p>

<p>Source: [North</a> Campus could soon feature new residence halls - Campus - The Lantern - Ohio State University](<a href=“http://www.thelantern.com/campus/north-campus-could-soon-feature-new-residence-halls-1.2808794]North”>http://www.thelantern.com/campus/north-campus-could-soon-feature-new-residence-halls-1.2808794)</p>

<p>With Gee at the helm, the 6-year Graduation Rate for TOSU has increased from 70 to now at 80%.</p>

<p>“The first-year retention rate for all students is 93 percent, four years running. The national figure is 88 percent. The university’s six-year graduation rate is 80 percent, topping the national mark of 72 percent.”</p>

<p>Source: [News</a> Room - The Ohio State University](<a href=“http://www.osu.edu/news/newsitem3301]News”>http://www.osu.edu/news/newsitem3301)</p>

<p>“Overarching goal,” but nonetheless intriguing if you ask me, since not even UVA comes close to such a claim <a href=“see%20below”>I</a>*… :p</p>

<p>“University Provost Joseph Alutto says his goal is for 85 percent of students to graduate within four years and to have virtually all receive their diplomas within six years.”</p>

<p>Source: [Ohio</a> State University 6-year graduation rate hits record | cleveland.com](<a href=“http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2010/11/ohio_state_university_6-year_g.html]Ohio”>Ohio State University 6-year graduation rate hits record - cleveland.com)</p>

<p>In short, I have no doubt that the most experienced College President in America with his top brass know exactly what they are aiming for and will certainly deliver at the end. Go Bucks! :)</p>

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<p>Me too, FutureVpFinance! Testing… It’s

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<p>“In short, I have no doubt that the most experienced College President in America with his top brass know exactly what they are aiming for and will certainly deliver at the end.”</p>

<p>It could happen Sparkeye, but only if the head football coach doesn’t fire him first. lol</p>

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<p>I would keep it down to Cal, UCLA, Michigan, UNC, Wisconsin, Virginia, and W&M.</p>

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<p>“I believe the goal that is sufficiently ambitious yet appropriate given our aspirations is that by 2020 Ohio State University will be consistently recognized as being among the top ten of all public, comprehensive research universities.” </p>

<p>Have to be top eight Sparkeye. Sorry.</p>

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<p>@rjk,</p>

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<p>Actually I am somewhat concerned about that, too… :stuck_out_tongue: However, knowing that President Gee will not receive a penny of his retirement bonus if he resigned or fired prior to 2017, this will most likely not happen imho. </p>

<p>Honestly, his ‘iron-fist’ plan of forcing all the Sophomores to live in the dorms by 2015 is causing quite a stir in Columbus. “The Invasion of Normandy,” he called it ( in fact, he actually would love to turn TOSU into Vandy, in which ALL students are required to live in the residential halls), given the size and magnitude of TOSU.</p>

<p>P.S. Wisconsin is 10% Greek.</p>

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<p>Add Texas and I agree.</p>

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<p>@rjk,</p>

<p>“Have to be top eight Sparkeye. Sorry.”</p>

<p>Absolutely!! :)</p>

<p>Know that the implication of “Consistently Recognized as Top-10 Comprehensive Research Public” is far greater achievement >>> than simply being ranked in Top-8 either on USNWR, ARWU or whatever imho. Even Gee himself stated that USNWR is a magazine without a country… lol Once again, Gee’s ‘A-Team’ (A stands for A and Administration) is not as dumb as we think, they ARE aiming at achieving the Top-5 status based on all evidence, but would rather stated Top-10 in order to avoid drawing unwanted attention / pressure. Hear HIS Top-5:</p>

<p>Source: <a href=“U.S. News college rankings - YouTube”>U.S. News college rankings - YouTube;

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<p>“one more?” Who else could it be?</p>

<p>THE Obvious answer:</p>

<p>'O’ne certainly is meant for 'O’hio State!! :p</p>

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<p>Nothing like reviving an old thread…</p>

<p>Anyway, the original thread was about identifying the public Ivy League schools, not identifying the top public comprehensive research universities.</p>

<p>In it’s historical meaning, the term “Public Ivy” referred to a small group of the more selective public universities, which have attracted students from the Northeast for many years. Thus, they had a certain amount of social prestige as well as academic quality, which made them an acceptable alternative to the Ivies and other top Northeastern private colleges/universities (perhaps, particularly if one failed to be admitted to an Ivy.) These universities included Michigan, Wisconsin, Virginia, William & Mary, North Carolina, Vermont, and Miami of Ohio.
Currently, most people use the term "Public Ivy’ to refer to the more selective flagship public universities at which one supposedly can get an Ivy-quality education. (It also used to mean an Ivy-quality education at a state school cost, but I’m not sure that the cost is a defining factor anymore, given the rising cost at public universities and the more generous financial aid at the most selective private universities.)</p>

<p>Though I prefer to restrict the term “Public Ivy” to its original meaning, there is a lot to be said for the more recent use of that term. While the overall quality of students and the available resources at the top public flagships might not match those at an Ivy, there is no denying that it is certainly possible for a top student to get an education across a broad range of disciplines that is as good as or better than an Ivy league university. </p>

<p>So, here are my revised criteria for what qualifies as a public Ivy-League university:

  1. It is a more selective public flagship university (either overall, or in its honors programs);
  2. It has strong faculty and departments across a broad range of disciplines;
  3. It offers a strong undergraduate education—in some combination based on size/teaching quality/rigor/honors programs;
  4. It has academic prestige (and, possibly social prestige);
  5. it appeals outside its region, preferably on a national level (and, possibly, on an international level).</p>

<p>My list would include: Michigan, Wisconsin, Virginia, William & Mary, North Carolina, UCB, UCLA.</p>

<p>Ohio State certainly has improved, but it simply doesn’t have the same academic and social cachet as the others and it’s too regional in its appeal. The same for Texas.</p>

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<p>The top 9 publics are:</p>

<p>Berkeley
Michigan
UCLA
UVA
UNC
Texas
Wisconsin
Illinois
Washington</p>

<p>Georgia Tech is top 5, but only for engineering/CS/hard sciences.</p>

<p>William and Mary is only reputable for liberal arts.</p>

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For Ohio State, I totally agree.</p>

<p>For Texas, you’re incredibly wrong. You should check business, law, engineering, science and liberal arts rankings. Definitely one of the top elite publics.</p>

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<p>^ As I said, Texas is too regional. Also, despite some very strong departments, its strengths across the range of disciplines is too uneven, compared to the very top publics. In the NRC rankings, Texas has 8 departments in the top 10 and 19 departments in the top 20. Compare this to Penn State (which nobody mentions) which as 31 departments in the top 10 and 41 in the top 20. Also, compare this to Illinois (which everybody mentions), which has 15 departments in the top 10 and 30 in the top 20.</p>

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