Question for mom2collegekids

<p>Hi Mom~</p>

<p>A question: If your husband hadn’t been transferred out to Alabama several years ago, do you think that UA would even have been on both of your sons’ radar? I know you’re originally from Southern CA so you do have the “California-thing” in common with some of us. But other than that, you’re Alabamans now and have been for awhile. So, that makes it a lot more feasible and natural for your sons to choose a college within their state. No long distance travel or OOS tuition or acclimating to a state in the deep south. I’m just wondering where your boys would be attending now if they had never moved from CA. Before your husband’s job move, had you ever had any or much contact with folks in Alabama? Did you know about UA? I’m just curious! I’m sure I would become a fan of my state flagship school if I had made my new home there. That is, if the school is any good. Sounds like UA is. :slight_smile: One thing–it was probably an easier transition to college for your boys because their parents live right there in the same state. Same for you! You can drive to the school if need be. It sounds like you have a lot of contact with their university. I would miss being able to have that parent-connection…not that I plan to show up at my daughter’s college too often. :slight_smile: I rarely go to her h.s. Gone are the PTA days and classroom volunteering. </p>

<p>Anyway, as I read your wonderful and positive posts about UA, I have to remind myself that it’s going to come easier for you since you’re right there, able to experience the school first hand. From where I sit, it’s hard to visualize any of it. You’re painting a very pretty picture of UA, but it would still be nice to experience for ourselves without being concerned how much it’s going to cost to even get out there. ;)</p>

<p>I just want to thank you once again for all your knowledge and helpful posts!</p>

<p>2Leashes: I know your question is to m2ck, but I’m kind of the same boat as she is so I figured I’d jump in and answer too. </p>

<p>My DH got transferred to TN when DD was in middle school; we’re originally from NJ. AL schools came onto our radar when good friends we made in TN moved back to Central AL. We realized how nice AL was and we knew that if DD went to school down there, she’d have people close by that she could call on if necessary. Then she got named NMSF & I skipped around CC and realized what UA (& Auburn) could offer to our DD.</p>

<p>Having said that, her original college list had 33 schools on it (this was last Christmas; how long ago that sounds now!) My DH was very twitchy about DD going to a school that involved flying there. I was OK with it, as long as she could get a direct flight. By the beginning of the summer, she was down to 8 schools including 3 “flight” schools. 3 weeks away in a college summer experience made her rethink how often she’d want to come home. We discussed it and she ended up narrowing her list to the 5 schools that are within 250 miles. She really didn’t want to be limited to only coming home at Thanksgiving; I’m not anticipating her coming home more than once every 4-6 weeks, but she wanted to have flexibility especially if she was going to be living in a traditional dorm (as opposed to the individual bedrooms in the Honors suites.)</p>

<p>So back to your original question: would DD have considered UA if we still lived in NJ? I don’t know. It may have ended up on her radar when she made NMSF (and she would have with her scores even if we were still in NJ) but Alabama would have seemed really far away, especially to her Dad (but he always has loved SEC football.) Given the financial straits of the NJ institutions of higher learning though, I’m not sure if we would have wanted her to stay in state though. </p>

<p>Hope this helps; all the best with your decisions!</p>

<p>As mom2collegekids’ son (her older one), I can attest that living in Alabama before choosing UA made the transition easier, but I am still a California kid at heart. Despite being the older child, I am the less independent one, and I admit that my parents’ (relative) proximity to UA simplified matters when I got homesick. My brother, however, could go an entire year without seeing the family and not bat an eye, so it really depends on the child. In addition, I also admit that I wasn’t so keen on attending UA until I saw the scholarship offers (and saw potential success in the CBHP). BUT… after visiting the campus and sitting in on a few classes, I really enjoyed it and attending UA became a viable option no longer because there was a lack of any other options, but because it was a great one overall.</p>

<p>It’s funny that you asked this question because when DH and I were out to lunch today the subject of Alabama came up - not exactly like your question, but in a way…</p>

<p>We were talking about when I was growing up, watching USC football, and hearing about a few particular schools and their famous coaches when they would either play USC or be in the various top bowl games on Jan 1st. The schools that immediately came to mind were: Notre Dame (Ara Parseghian), Michigan (Bo Schembechler), Ohio State (Woody Hayes) and Alabama (Paul “Bear” Bryant). When we decided to move to Alabama, I was excited at the thought that my kids might to go Alabama. Prior to that, all we thought we could afford were California state schools. </p>

<p>Prior to our move, we didn’t even know that there were things like “merit scholarships” because the UCs don’t really have any (I now know that they have a few Regents, but I didn’t know about those because I’ve never known anyone to get one. LOL I’m not even sure how long regents have been offered). So, when we were living in California, we were of the frame of mind that we couldn’t afford to send our kids out of state. At the time, we thought only very affluent people could send their kids out of state because either they had to pay the high OOS costs or they had to pay the high private school tuition costs. </p>

<p>So, the answer is… no OOS school was on our radar. We thought we could only afford UCs (or Cal States), since we knew we’d have two in college at the same time. I’m not even sure when big merit scholarships came onto the horizon for many schools. Does anyone know when the trend started? </p>

<p>I’m not typically at UA’s campus very often. This month was unusual because my older son was inducted into Phi Beta Kappa so we went for that. Obviously, students whose parents were OOS, didn’t go to the induction.</p>

<p>We had to return to the area for an reason unrelated to UA, which is why I was in Ttown over last weekend. I don’t see myself going to the campus again for the rest of school year. Last year, I went on a campus tour with DS2, and we bought tickets for a football game. I don’t live close to the campus, so for me to go there it has to be a good reason - such as having football tickets for a game, or something like that. :slight_smile: I didn’t even go to Bama Bound last summer, because I knew enough Bama Bound info from DS1’s Bama Bound 2 years earlier.</p>

<p>This is amazing. I’ve had the same questions swirling around in my head for two months now…ever since DD filled out that application! Now, we’re actually talking about taking a DRIVE from Il to the campus over Christmas break. This is so not what we saw coming. It was supposed to be midwest schools only. But truthfully and again amazingly, UA has been showing so much love to our girl. Yesterday, we got a Christmas card and another large card not just an e-mail saying we’re confirmed for CSD. We’ve gotten a letter from another IL family whose daughter goes to UA. Calls are returned in a timely manner. Questions are answered with smiles (I swear that I can hear it over the phone!). No other school has been so, what’s the word…kind, to us throughout this journey. It makes it really hard to say that the distance is a huge obstaacle or even a deal breaker. Even with the whole “extra parent” thing for CSD, I have a feeling that all will be well. After all this time studying on CC, m2ck is the most generous, without being all know-it-all, of all the “experienced” parents that I’ve read and I just so appreciate you. Sorry for
going on and on.</p>

<p>Glaw, we have just decided to drive down from NJ the 2nd or 3rd of January, tour the school on the 4th and turn around and drive home on the 5th. Airfare was just too high to justify and this way both parents can go. I swore off long car trips years ago after one too many trips to Florida but here I go again.</p>

<p>^^^^</p>

<p>I have heard that sometimes they arrange private tours during the break for visits. Is the school arranging one for you? Or, were you thinking of touring when UA is open, but high school is still closed?</p>

<p>Glad to help anytime! :slight_smile: (And since I’m the oldest daughter of 7 kids, I can sometimes act kind of “know it all” at times. LOL Just ask my sibs! My mom calls it, “the big cheese.” LOL)</p>

<p>*I swore off long car trips years ago after one too many trips to Florida but here I go again. *</p>

<p>Peg, Noise-cancelling headphones work wonders!!! LOL The H and the D can listen to whatever they want, and you can have blessed peace. :)</p>

<p>In my family it is usually me they are all trying to block out, lol. I am still hoping some low fares appear even to Atlanta. I just can’t see doing this trip in just 3 or 4 days. What we do for our kids!</p>

<p>GLAW: I totally hear you about UA “showing the love!” They’ve done the same to our DD and it certainly helped UA rise to the top of the list. While a lot of other schools have bombarded her with mail, it hasn’t been the same personalized and flattering type that UA has sent. Dr. Sharpe’s letter to parent’s of NMSF’s was the best piece of mail that has been addressed to my DH & I, by far. And all of our personal contact with them, whether during visits on campus or emails & phone calls have all mirrored that same attitude. </p>

<p>In contrast, we’ve been surprised by the lack of relationship cultivation by our state flagship. They’ve sent what they needed to send and they’ve been very professional but even during campus visits for honors kids, there’s been “something” missing when compared to UA. </p>

<p>The only other school that has been as welcoming has been Birmingham Southern. Maybe it’s just an Alabama thing :)</p>

<p>PegV420: FYI, it’s just a 1 1/2 hour drive from Atlanta to Birmingham and then another 50 minutes from Birmingham to Tuscaloosa.</p>

<p>Depending on where in NJ you’re driving from & your route, I’d say it’s about a 16 1/2 hour drive from NJ to Tuscaloosa.</p>

<p>PegV420: I am the parent of an OOS (IL) freshman who had a private tour arranged by the honors college. We had only one day that we could tour, and I called the honors college and told them of S’s desire to have a “real” tour - not us just wandering around. They were soooo nice. This tour giude girl actually came back to campus just to give us a tour! Son was sold on that day (helped that the girl was very attractive : )</p>

<p>He loves it.</p>

<p>PegV420, I’m seeing $300-$350 roundtrip, which adds up quickly. Good luck on the drive, I hear it’s between 16 and 18 hours, which would be too much for my taste.</p>

<p>As for UA being warm and friendly, it continues even after school starts and your child is a college freshman. It is a definite selling point of UA that other schools rarely attempt.</p>

<p>RobD and SEA_tide, 16 hours is about right for the drive. You would think with all that driving I could at least end up on a beach! Regular tours and info sessions will be running while we are there. Since my dd is not in honors anything <g>, I assume a regular tour will do. We want to go in January while my middle dd is home from college to be with the dogs. I just have to hope no major winter storms decide to appear those few days we are gone.</g></p>

<p>Good Morning everybody,
We’re looking at driving down the day after Christmas. Its just too crazy up until then. I’ll call but, I don’t expect anyone will even be on campus that weekend. We just want to see it already and I think DH wants to assess without all the hoopla of CSD. Oh, and here’s the thing about the “love,” our DD is a great student, but not a NMS. She has terrific stats, not perfect. She’s been accepted to state flagship and other great schools. She’s received amazing scholarship offers too, full tuition offers included. BUT, UA in its own way has managed to woo her and made her feel like a star even in this “you must be perfect” application era. Maybe Mom has wooed me too! As a family, we seem to be more than intrigued. Its worth the drive in any case. If nothing else, we’ll spend time with our girls for many hours, which is more than rare these days. It’ll be an adventure!</p>

<p>2Leashes,</p>

<p>I know you directed your question to Mom, but I wanted to weigh in for whatever it’s worth. I have experience with both the in-state college thing, the OOS college thing, and the CA thing–my family did four tours in southern CA (almost 12 years total, in both Orange County and Coronado).</p>

<p>As we all know, there are lots of great reasons to send a child to college in-state, and you’ve touched on most of them. Yes, it’s typically (but not always) a lot less expensive, which is, of course, a huge factor–and one that, for many families, makes the decision a no brainer. And yes, in many ways it IS more convenient. My son is at UVA, only two hours from us, and I’ll admit, it’s nice to have him so close when it comes to travel. But I have to tell you, he doesn’t come home any more often than my older son did (who attended Clemson in SC when we lived in CA). Like many college kids, my second son thinks of his college town (in this case, Charlottesville) as home–because for nine months of the year, it IS. His closest friends are there, his stuff is there, okay, his LIFE is there–so HE wants to be there–and not home with us. Yes, there are times when it’s been great to have him so close. This fall he separated his shoulder playing soccer, and after surgery, we were able to bring him home for a few days (thankfully over fall break) to recover, and yes, we have gone down to Charlottesville for a couple of football games, but for the most part, having him closer to home hasn’t really been that much different from having our older son clear across the country–other than the travel logistics. Because, frankly, when they’re gone, they’re gone, whether it’s across the country or in another part of the state. And the joy of a phone call is still a joy…no matter where it comes from. :)</p>

<p>That said, there is one “advantage” (and this is just my opinion, so please don’t bash me folks!) to sending a student OOS that hasn’t been mentioned here…and that’s the experience that comes with attending college out of one’s comfort zone. Sounds scary, I know, but as someone who grew up in one place (Chicago), went to school there, and planned to stay there forever, I can honestly say the best thing that ever happened to me was leaving. Not that Chicago isn’t a fabulous city–because it is! But there’s a big, wide world out there I’d never have known had I not married into the military and moved eleven times. Now that’s excessive, I’ll admit, but I think there’s something enriching and exciting and challenging about living in a very different part of the country than what one’s familiar with–and that extends to college students, as well. It’s a pretty amazing experience to be able to refer to another area of the country as “home,” and pretty amazing to be able to adopt the people who live there as extended “family.” :slight_smile: And if one goes to school close to home, then permanently settles in that area (as many folks do), one will never experience that…</p>

<p>Southern California is, of course, fabulous! Why would anyone (including teenagers–okay, especially teenagers) ever want to leave? When we lived on Coronado (arguably paradise), most of the kids who grew up there took what they considered to be “the plunge” by crossing the bridge to go to USD, UCSD, or SDSU. If they were really brave, they went a bit farther to USC or UCLA, and, if they were really, really brave, they ventured up the coast to UCSB or USF or UC Berkeley. And I’m not meaning to be flip, really! Those are all terrific schools, and with the exception of the privates I mentioned, they’re far less expensive than going OOS, so it’s completely understandable why those kids went to school where they did. Still, they never left the bubble that is life in CA, and most never will. Is that a bad thing? No. And I’m not, in any way, suggesting it is. What I am suggesting is that it can be a real (and usually positive, but not always) growing experience to move out of one’s comfort zone to explore and live in places unknown, places that are entirely different from where one has spent the first 18 years of life. And isn’t the college experience all about growing? </p>

<p>I should tell you that my son applied and was accepted to UVA when we lived in CA–when we thought we were STAYING in CA…until, that is, the Marine Corps told us otherwise. And while my H and I were thrilled to make the change to that lovely VA in-state tuition, our son’s reaction to his Dad’s orders was a bit mixed. As I recall, he said something like “Wow, that’s really great…but you guys aren’t gonna be dropping in on me all the time, are you?” LOL It’s not that the kid doesn’t love us, but he wanted the same, independent “far from home” experience his older brother had. And by keeping our distance (literally and figuratively), we’ve tried to give him that. No surprise it was that same desire that kept my D focused primarily on OOS schools, and it’s one of the main reasons she’ll be attending Bama next year instead of several VA schools. That, and the fact that she fell in love with it when we visited. :smiley: </p>

<p>Anyway, there are plenty of great reasons to send your D in-state, and probably fewer to do the OOS thing, still, I wouldn’t underestimate the value of sending her to a school far from home–as complicated and as difficult as that might be. In fact, it might just be another good reason to do it, especially if the school happens to be the “right” one. </p>

<p>Best of luck! :)</p>

<p>I’m a current student, but honestly, had I not been in state, I probably wouldn’t have come here. However, the scholarships are great if your test scores are high enough. Most of my friends are from out-of-state, and they said they came because of the scholarships they got.</p>

<p>Now, aren’t you glad you came, since you’ve met people from out of state? You have broadened your horizons, something you didn’t think you could do at your state flagship. Good for you for being open to meeting new people!</p>