Questions about transferring from a JC to IUB

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<p>I am strongly considering transferring from santa fe community college in florida to indiana for next spring. I got shafted by the university of florida and the state, because they cut admissions down do to budget problems (which is the states fault), especially to warrington (business school). I am graduating this semester with a 3.98 and it looks like I would need to take a few classes to get into IU, or at least Kelley, but I can do that this summer no problem. I have taken micro and macro economics, business calc, financial and managerial accounting, and got an A in all of them. I hate having to take this much time off, but I am already 1 year ahead, so I can live with it, and I probably need a break which I haven't had in 2 years (HS class of 07 now finishing sophomore year with 65 credits). </p>

<p>My questions though are whether or not it is possible to go directly into kelley as a junior from transferring if you have all the classes you need, or do you have to do a semester at IU first no matter what? Also, if I do have to go to IU for a semester I should have no problem getting into kelley should I? After being denied from florida I am kind of nervous about everything. I thought I was going to get in no problem, and all of a sudden they announce they are cutting back transfer admissions and they even told me they didn't look at my application because they had already selected too many students before I even applied (they didn't know about admissions being cut at this time).</p>

<p>I also do not have any thing worth bragging about to put onto my application as for as community service, is this going to be necessary to get into Kelley? I would like to get into the investment banking workshop too. If I need to do some of these things, can anyone recommend some good things to volunteer in? I'm going to have plenty of time on my hands this summer to do something. </p>

<p>I have been getting straight A's with ease in JC with high courseloads, so I think I will do very well anywhere I go, but at the same time I am nervous it will be significantly harder. I know I will have to put more time into it, but based on how I have done in junior college I should be fine right? I guess what I am most worried about though is if I have to go to IU for a semester before getting into Kelley and then getting denied admission to kelley. I am sorry if I have asked to many questions, but I would really appreciate any help. I feel like a moron for not applying to more schools for the fall (I applied to summer A admission to UF). The only school I would still consider in florida is FSU, but I like my chances at getting hired by an investment bank at indiana much better.</p>

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<p>Start by seeing which of your classes taken in Florida will transfer to Indiana University. Santa Fe Community College is listed in the Credit Transfer Service website at IU. Santa Fe's Micro and Macroeconomics and financial and managerial accounting are listed in the database, so they will probably transfer easily and be worth twelve hours at IU. You may not find all your classes listed in the database, as the classes listed are based on the ones taken by people who have actually transfered to IU from Santa Fe, and you and those people could easily have taken different classes. IU is pretty generous and will accept up to sixty hours of community college credit.</p>

<p>Credit</a> Transfer Service Home: Office of Admissions ~ IU Bloomington</p>

<p>Rather than take a year off, you might contact admissions to see if you can be admitted during a summer or spring term, rather than wait until Fall 2009. IU has rolling admissions and this would probably be doable.</p>

<p>Anyway, I would definitely start with totaling the credits from Santa Fe for courses that IU has accepted in the past and go from there. IU has an I-Core semester which all business students must take and which has lots of pre-requisites. Maybe you can get admitted and finish off the pre-requisites and then be eligible to take the I-Core your second semester at IU. I would think many of the I-Core pre-requisites are only offered at IU.</p>

<p>Academic</a> Policies and Procedures: Student Life: Undergraduate Program: Kelley School of Business: Indiana University Bloomington</p>

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<p>Thanks for the help, I saw that those classes would transfer, and also my calculus will too, and is the same as the one IU uses as a prereq to kelley. The ones I am not sure about though are MATH-M 118 Finite Mathematics and BUS-K 201 The Computer in Business. The math sounds like something I have already taken may transfer, I will have to call and ask them, but I am not sure what it means by finite mathematics. I have taken college algebra, calc, and stats. I have also taken a computer class which I will have to see if would transfer for that k 201. And I am planning on taking GEB 1011 at my school online this summer which is equivalent to BUS-X 100 at IU. It seems pretty dumb to have to take that though since it just outlines many courses that I have already taken the full versions of. Looking at the site, most of my credits should transfer, and I more than 60, so I can just not transfer that class I got a B+ in which was medical related, and a few other electives.</p>

<p>I wasn't planning on waiting until fall of 09 to transfer, but spring of 09. If they won't let me directly into kelley I guess I can just get any credits I am missing to go to kelley if there are any then, and transfer into kelly in fall of 09 after taking the summer off. This would put me on pace to graduate in spring of 2011 which is when my highschool class is supposed to graduate, although I am currently ahead by a full year, but I can live with this since I will get some time off to straighten other things out before I move so far away. </p>

<p>Looking at it some more, my accounting classes should cover some of the other prereqs, but I will have to call them to find out what the X courses stand for like X 104, 204, 201, and 220. The numbering system is so much different. They seem to be a lot better for transferring credits than some of the other colleges I looked at like maryland. They were very picky about it, I was just interested because I could still get in this fall.</p>

<p>So if I have to do a semester at IUB before being accpeted into kelley, what will kelley base accepting me or not on? Will they take into account my work at santa fe, or only the semester I put in at indiana? I just hope this works out because it is such a better school than florida state, or any other school in florida. I just wish it was as cheap, the florida publics are basically free for me. I would have made money going to UF because I could have stayed at home.</p>

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<p>The Kelley bulletin says that they will not accept online course credit for any business classes and some of the other classes needed for I-Core or to graduate:</p>

<p>"Credit for Independent Study by Correspondence/Distance Education
The Kelley School faculty and staff strongly advise students to complete all their course work in the classroom. The quality of courses offered by correspondence or distance education (online courses) varies a great deal, and there are numerous problems, notably a very low completion rate and high rates of graduation delays. The school will accept two courses (for a total of 6 credits) by correspondence study or distance education to count toward degree requirements. However, because of the basic importance in the degree program, business courses may not be taken by correspondence study or distance education to satisfy admission or degree requirements or as business electives. In addition, the following non-business courses (or their equivalents) may not be taken by correspondence study or distance education for admission or degree purposes: MATH-M 118, M 119; ECON-E 201, E 202, E 370; CMCL-C 121."
Kelley</a> School of Business Undergraduate 2006-2008 Online Bulletin: Undergraduate Program</p>

<p>So I would not take an online version of GEB1011 INTRO TO BSNS.</p>

<p>Also, according to the bulletin, CMCL-C 130, CMCL-C 121, and BUS-X 305 may be substituted for BUS-X 104. So if you have taken SPC 2600 (Course Title: PUBLIC SPEAKING 1) at Santa Fe, then it should give you credit for BUS-104, according to the Credit Transfer Service.
Kelley</a> School of Business Undergraduate 2006-2008 Online Bulletin: Bachelor of Science in Business</p>

<p>Here are Kelley transfer requirements:
Transfer</a> Students: Admissions: Undergraduate Program: Kelley School of Business: Indiana University Bloomington</p>

<p>ENC 1101 (COLLEGE COMP) at Santa Fe will give you credit for ENG W131 at IU.</p>

<p>If you have taken BUL 2241 BUS LAW 1, there is a chance it would give you credit for BUS L201 (Legal Environment of Business), which is an I-Core pre-requisite.</p>

<p>I think IU won't evaluate your transfer credit until you have already applied to IU. ("If you are a prospective IUB student, we will review your credit after we have reviewed your application for admission. Unfortunately, we cannot review transfer credit for prospective students until we have reviewed your application.")</p>

<p>If you haven't taken them already, this summer you could take ENC 1101 (COLLEGE COMP) and SPC 2600 (Course Title: PUBLIC SPEAKING 1) in order to give you two more I-Core pre-requisite classes.</p>

<p>I don't know if Finite Math or an equivalent that IU will accept is taught at your school. The class MGF1106 G(M) Finite Mathematics at Univ of North Florida in Jacksonville has been accepted for M118 (Finite Math) credit by IU.</p>

<p>In terms of getting all the I-Core pre-requisites done as soon as possible, K201 (The Computer in Business) could be a problem, because you have to take it before you take X201 (Technology), and both are needed before I-Core, so they cannot be taken the same semester.</p>

<p>Also, BUS-X 204, BUS-G 202, ECON-E 370, BUS-X 201, BUS-X 220 (I doubt if you can take equivalents to any of these courses outside of IU) are all I-Core pre-requisites and thirteen hours worth of credits (you don't have to be in the business school to take any of these courses; also, you could add another three-hour I-Core pre-requisite to get to 16 hours, which is not a huge load) that you could do your first semester at IU. Of course, you would be taking these before being admitted to Kelley, so it is a risk in that sense. A lot depends on getting K201 done before you get to IU, which could be a problem. But if you can finish all your I-Core pre-requisites (ane you have a lot of them already) in Spring 2009, then you could take I-Core in Fall 2009 (or even in Summer 2009).</p>

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<p>I don't believe my school even lists the online classes on the transcript any differently, but I will ask them to make sure. It would be OK to take if they don't show up as online wouldn't it? I am not for sure on this though, and if I can't do online I will just take the class. </p>

<p>I think what I will do is call up IU on monday and try to figure some more things out on how I could do this. I just don't want to have to go more than 5 semesters because the cost is going to kill me. I am now also thinking about BYU because of this, but not really sure if I would want to go there. The prereqs they require though are classes I have already taken (assuming they will allow them to transfer, but they have the same names). I really want to go to indiana though. I already have ENC1101, I took that in 06 while in high school. I haven't taken public speaking unfortunately. I really didn't want to take it, and instead took music appreciation. This feels like a dumb move now.</p>

<p>Do you know what K201 is for? I took cgs1000 (well i tested out of it) which is for word, excel, powerpoint, etc. It was what all the florida schools required. Is there a chance they would allow that for K201? Do you know what finite math covers? I could definitely live with taking geb1011, public speaking, and another class or two this summer if I have to. I just want to get next fall off to work on some volunteering. I got a 4.0 doing 16 credit hours last summer, so a few classes this summer wouldn't be that bad. I just hate going 5 days a week. I really appreciate you going out of your way to help me though. I have sort of been in panic mode since wednesday when I found out florida denied me. Would you consider BYU though? I think I could get straight into the B school which seems a lot less risky, but I am not Mormon lol. Also it is considerably cheaper, even for non Mormons. I am so confused as what to do right now. I really like the idea of IUB's investment banking workshop too.</p>

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<p>The two items covered in K201 are Microsoft Excel and Microsoft Access. They cover both of them in quite a bit of detail.</p>

<p>If you know Access--or have taken it in one of your classes in Florida, you might be able to transfer your course or test out of it. Otherwise you'll have to take this course. The Technology course is related to system development techniques and how automated systems are used today in the business world.</p>

<p>As far as volunteer work for the summer, the best thing would probably to volunteer or get a paid internship to do some accounting work for a small business or non-profit firm during the summer. I would think with your accounting courses already passed (with As) this should be a good possibility. Small firms and small CPA firms are always looking for people to help with simple bookkeeping tasks.</p>

<p>Best of luck to you no matter which school you finally decide to attend.</p>

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<p>I don't know how Kelley could tell if a class is online. Maybe they have no way to tell, I don't know. Just going by what the bulletin says. I am not affiliated with the school. </p>

<p>Regarding K201, I doubt that you could find an equivalent in Florida, at least there are none listed in the Credit Transfer Report and I'm guessing it would be tough to get approval in advance, but I don't really know.</p>

<p>Anyway, what about going one six week summer session at IU? That would take care of the K201/X201 sequence and allow you to take I-Core in Fall 2009 and graduate as early as Fall 2010, if you have some general education classes that fulfill most of the 27 hour credit core. Also, do you have any foreign language that might fulfill the international requirement at Kelley? See this page for the international requirement and the 27 hour core requirements.
Kelley</a> School of Business Undergraduate 2006-2008 Online Bulletin: Bachelor of Science in Business</p>

<p>Here is a list of College of Arts and Sciences distribution courses.
College</a> of Arts and Sciences 2006-2008 Online Bulletin: Appendix II: Approved Distribution Courses</p>

<p>Most people take two A&H classes; two N&M classes; and five S&H classes to fulfill the 27 hour core. Your music appreciation class (MUL 1010 MUSIC APPREC) would satisfy one of the A&H courses (MUS Z101) and a freshman psychology class from Santa Fe would probably satisfy one of the N&M classes (PSY P101) and another math or science class would help, too. You probably have a lot of freshman social sciences classes that would help satisfy the five-class S&H requirements. You could pm me with your courses and I could give you some advice on the 27 hour core and the international requirement, which can be met without a foreign language by taking two approved (I think these are usually 300-level S&H classes) classes in African studies, Central Eurasian studies, East Asian studies, Latin American and Caribbean studies, Near Eastern studies, Russian and East European studies, or West European studies.</p>

<p>Your schedule to graduate in Fall 2010 would look something like this:</p>

<p>I-Core prerequisites already taken at CC:
ENG-W 131 (ENC 1101)
MATH-M 119 calculus
ECON-E 201 micro (you also have E202-Macroecon, a requirement to graduate)
BUS-A 201 financial acct
BUS-A 202 managerial acct</p>

<p>Summer 2008 Santa Fe CC -- 9 hours
BUS-X 104 (SPC 2600 PUBLIC SPEAKING 1; credit for CMCL C121)
BUS-X100 (GEB 1011; needed to apply to Kelley)
BUS-L 201 (BUL2241 BUSINESS LAW 1; find out if it will get credit for BUS-L201; the freshman business law class at Ivy Tech CC in Indiana does)</p>

<p>Spring 2009 -- 16-17 hours
BUS-X 204 (3 cr.)
MATH-M 118 (3 cr.)
BUS-K 201 (3 cr.)
BUS-X 220 (2 cr.)
BUS-G 202 (2 cr.)
BUS-A 100 (1 cr.)-- don't know if you would need this class as a transfer
One of the international dimension classes or 300-level S&H, if needed (3 cr.), or BUS L201 (3 cr.) if you can't get it in Florida, or another 27-credit hour core class if needed.</p>

<p>**Summer I 2009-- 6-9 hours<a href="May%2012-June%2018,%202009;%20session%20is%20six-weeks%20long;%20summer%20housing%20and%20meals%20for%20a%20single%20room%20Summer%20I%202008%20is%20only%20about%20$1100.">/B</a>
BUS-X 201 Technology (3 cr.)-- This would be your last I-Core requirement.
BUS-Z 302 MANAGING & BEHAVR IN ORGANIZTN (3 CR)-- needed to graduate; could be taken during one of the last two semesters depending on courses needed for 27-hour core, etc.
ECON-E 370 (3 cr.) (M118 Finite Math is a pre-requisite)</p>

<p>Fall 2009-- 16 hours
BUS F370 Financial Mgmt. I-Core (3 cr.)
BUS I370 I-Core Discussion I-Core (2 cr.)
BUS J370 Strategic Mgmt. I-Core (3 cr.)
BUS M370 Marketing Mgmt. I-Core (3 cr.)
BUS P370 Operations Mgmt. I-Core (3 cr.)
BUS X420 Bus Career Plan & Place (2 cr.)</p>

<p>Spring 2010-- 13-16.5 hours
BUS A310 (3 cr.)
BUS A324 (1.5 cr.)
BUS F303 Intermediate Investments (3 cr.)
BUS F305 Inter Corp Finance (3 cr.)
BUS S400 Integration of Sys & the Bus (3 cr.)
S&H Class--One of the international dimension classes or 300-level S&H, if needed. (3 cr.)</p>

<p>Fall 2010-- 13-16.5 hours
BUS A327 (1.5 cr.)
BUS Finance Elective 300- or 400-level (3 cr.)
BUS Finance Elective 300- or 400-level (3 cr.)
BUS Finance Elective 400-level (3 cr.)
BUS Finance Elective 400-level (3 cr.)
S&H Class--One of the international dimension classes or 300-level S&H, if needed. (3 cr.)</p>

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<p>Calcruzer, how would I go about finding out about opportunities like that? Should I just go in the phonebook and call around, or would my school have info on anything like that?</p>

<p>bthomp1, thanks for the continued help. I will go ahead and pm you the course numbers I took. I did not see that international requirement until you posted it though. The 2 years of foreign language I took in high school was enough for florida schools. Seems like the quantity of classes I have to take keeps adding up.</p>

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<p>Out where I live people just check out the local websites, such as santacruzjobs.com or montereybayjobs.com or craigslist.org, or go to places that do placements for accounting jobs--like accounting advantage or robert half (whose new name I can't recall--Wilmont?), or manpower or protiviti. </p>

<p>Another thought might be to take some business cards to an educational conference (many are put on most every week by groups like CalCPA or CPA Educational Foundation or APICS or ISACA or ISC squared)--and then hand out your business cards to some of the CPAs attending (they take breaks every two hours) and see if they need help or know somebody who does.</p>

<p>Of course, there are also the basic places like monster (for all businesses) or dice (for computer jobs) that list openings nationwide that can be filtered in order to find the jobs in your area.</p>

<p>Lastly--and most importantly---use networking. Ask your friends if they or their parents are looking for some help or they if know someone in the accounting field who does. And if you are willing to work for free to get your "foot in the door", let them know that. </p>

<p>Best of luck to you.</p>

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<p>Also, I checked the Indiana University Bulletin for the Kelley school, and it says the following:</p>

<p>"Students who have taken a business computer skills, financial accounting, or managerial accounting class will be able to sit for a competency exam in any of these three areas during the first week of classes. Students who perform successfully on these competency tests will receive course waivers, but not course credit. "</p>

<p>Also, I wouldn't try to get them to accept courses taken online for business (even if you think they won't find out), because their policy is as follows;</p>

<p>"The school will accept two courses (for a total of 6 credits) by correspondence study or distance education to count toward degree requirements. However, because of the basic importance in the degree program, business courses may not be taken by correspondence study or distance education to satisfy admission or degree requirements or as business electives. In addition, the following non-business courses (or their equivalents) may not be taken by correspondence study or distance education for admission or degree purposes: MATH-M 118, M 119; ECON-E 201, E 202, E 370; CMCL-C 121."</p>

<p>The Kelley bulletin can be found here:
Kelley</a> School of Business Undergraduate 2006-2008 Online Bulletin: Undergraduate Program</p>

<p>There are a lot of other rules that apply to transfer students planning to go to Indiana's business school that can be found in this bulletin, so I suggest you go there and read up on all of them to decide if this will work for you..</p>