<p>muratbay, that is taking it a little far.</p>
<p>MissTi, emos are kids who listen to overly-emotional music and act like their lives suck...</p>
<p>please see this link for further information: <a href="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=emos%5B/url%5D">http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=emos</a></p>
<p>black people have darker skin than white people (in general)</p>
<p>This is just something I've discovered over the years</p>
<p>yeah, i noticed that too, Brown Bomber...</p>
<p>hotpiece-i like the definitions more when just EMO is searched</p>
<p>hahaha...i knew the word emo would set us off on a tangent. but basically what i meant is i like little rock loving white boys with lip/eyebrow piercings and messy hair...(ex. <a href="http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y257/hurley_gurlie313/sonny4.jpg%5B/url%5D">http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y257/hurley_gurlie313/sonny4.jpg</a> or <a href="http://myspace-203.vo.llnwd.net/00157/30/21/157861203_m.jpg%5B/url%5D">http://myspace-203.vo.llnwd.net/00157/30/21/157861203_m.jpg</a>)</p>
<p>but...i digress</p>
<p>"and to whoever said stereotypes were based in some truth--what are you smoking? i didnt come into this world expecting to be judged before i even open my mouth, and i don't want to be. me, and millions of other people, are living proof that this is NOT true."</p>
<p>I'm not smoking anything. It doesn't matter what expectations you come into this world. The reality is some people will stereotype, unfortunately. And while there are many people that don't fit a stereotype there are still many more who do. Stereotypes would not exist if a majority of the people in a society (could be on a local scale or simply national, or even global) didn't fit that stereotype.</p>
<p>I'll try to give you an example right now. I'm a teenager in New York City. Taking the buses and trains is common especially in the afternoon for students. Many bus drivers hate it because the kids are real loud, annoying, often cause trouble on the bus, and usually "hop" thru the back (avoid paying a fare and go thru the back exit). This one day I got on the bus, I went to the back. When I go to my stop, I was getting ready to go. When the bus made the stop the bus driver didn't open the back exit. So I start yelling and pressing the side buttons to get the door to open. Other people on the bus even tell the bus driver to open the back door. What does the bus driver do? He simply drives on to the next stop. Why? Because he thought I was one of those teens that's disrespectful to authority so he didn't feel like opening the door to me. Certainly I don't fit the stereotype if you got to know me BUT to the bus driver I did fit simply because I was a teen. And I can honestly tell you that this stereotype while not TRUE to all teens in the city, it does have it's truth which it's based on because there are definitely teens that fit this stereotype, a majority of teens in fact fit the stereotype because that's what they do.</p>
<p>What sucks is that sometimes people make their own stereotypes up from experience. Unlike the "asians are very intelligent" stereotype that's a common stereotype, something like "hispanics don't take baths and stink" isn't so common. That second stereotype I just mentioned could be created in the following scenario. Man walks down the street and goes into the bodega for the first time ever. He talks to one hispanic guy there but he notices the smell coming off him. The guy quickly makes his purchase and leaves. However he didn't just leave with the purchase; he also left with the idea that hispanics smell/stink (whatever word you want to use). This of course could be limited to simply hispanics in bodegas or it could be more general but the man who went into the bodega has created his own stereotype which certainly isn't true of all hispanics but in this one situation it was true. and I'm sure there are probably other hispanics who might fit this stereotype probably not many though because this is just based on one encounter rather than many encounters.</p>
<p>By the way, please realize that I don't like stereotypes nor do I advocate them but I know that stereotypes have their truths or else they simply wouldn't exist to begin with. Sometimes all it takes is one person for a stereotype to exist.</p>
<p>^^ nice explanation....its sad how stereotype exists</p>
<p>"So what are the guidelines for it being true then? Well, I should probably ask what are your guidelines...I am just guessing we have different opinions on what makes something true..."</p>
<p>I think we definitely do have different opinions on this issue. Not a bad thing though since it makes for good convo. </p>
<p>So what makes something true? Well if it's true then it's true, without regards to stereotypes. If 2 + 2 = 4 is a truth it simply can't be denied. If anyone thinks otherwise they just aren't using logic or are just dumb.</p>
<p>Now stereotypes is bit weird. First we have to define stereotypes (this definition taken from dictionary.com): "A conventional, formulaic, and oversimplified conception, opinion, or image."</p>
<p>Whatever the conception, opinion, or image may be, it has to be based on something. That is to say that if I'm going to say that all apples are red I'm saying that because all I've ever seen were red apples. However this is just not true. Not all apples are red, some are red, but not all. This stereotype about apples being red has some truth to it, even though the stereotype itself isn't always true. And that's what makes stereotypes.....well stereotypes. If all stereotypes were true, there would be no point in refuting them. The reality is all stereotypes are false because they are simplified ideas about something, and humans are FAR from simple creatures.</p>
<p>Hopefully that makes sense.</p>
<p>"if you aren't 'acting black enough' for some people you are an oreo..."</p>
<pre><code> I've been told by white and black people alike that I don't 'act' black. This really ****es me off. When I ask why the response usually goes along the lines that I don't dress or talk black. It's made me really self-conscious. My parents are Caribbean, but while they do speak their native language, they were educated in proper British-English. If I spoke ebonically, my mom would shoot me. (I remember that when I was little and I couldn't pronounce Wednesday or library properly she would just keep correcting me.)
Also, I remember I was talking to my boss one day and I mentioned my dad; she said, "i didn't know your dad lived with you." I never gave her the impression that my father was a dead-beat or unknown to me; in fact, I never talked about any of my family members in general.
Then, my classmate just assumes that I only listen to rap music b/c I told her I didn't want to go to a certain concert. I like all kinds of music. If you checked my collection you'd see DMX (rap), Maroon 5 (band), Christina Aguilera (pop), and Kenny Rogers (country); if it's good, I listen to it. I just don't feel like listening to one kind of music for an extended period of time; that goes for ANY music I listen to.
All these doubts about my "blackness" warrant a very important question: What characterizes a black person?
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<p>man you need to see the new show BLACK AND WHITE BY ICE CUBE ONF FX CHANNEL.......THAT WILL ANSWER ALL YOUR QUESTIONS...ITS VERY WEDNESDAY AT 10 PM EASTERN</p>
<p>Saw it. It's interesting.</p>
<p>Most of my good friends defy the stereotypes they are generally attached to;
A. A Varsity cheerleader who works at Abercrombie is Editor in Chief of the Yearbook and takes Physics C.
B. The girl who got "Most Likely to Turn a Head" for senior superlatives being the most down to earth person who actually gets embarrassed if people comment on her looks.
C. My azn friend who is on a Step Team and who doesn't study all that much at all.
D. My white friend (ED to UVA) who is Captain of said Step Team. (and they say white boys can't dance.
E. My Black History teacher who is the staunchest Republican at our school. </p>
<p>And me....................
East African, so black but with white-people hair. Favorite two types of music, Rap and Country; I shop everywhere, including Abercrombie, American Eagle, and D.E.M.O (streetwear); on Step Team (most ghetto organization in school) but also NAtional Honor Prez. Oh, and I play basketball with my friends and golf with their parents.</p>
<p>Sooooooo IMO,
people who don't fit stereotypes are the most interesting.</p>
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Now stereotypes is bit weird. First we have to define stereotypes (this definition taken from dictionary.com): "A conventional, formulaic, and oversimplified conception, opinion, or image."</p>
<p>Whatever the conception, opinion, or image may be, it has to be based on something. That is to say that if I'm going to say that all apples are red I'm saying that because all I've ever seen were red apples. However this is just not true. Not all apples are red, some are red, but not all. This stereotype about apples being red has some truth to it, even though the stereotype itself isn't always true. And that's what makes stereotypes.....well stereotypes. If all stereotypes were true, there would be no point in refuting them. The reality is all stereotypes are false because they are simplified ideas about something, and humans are FAR from simple creatures.</p>
<p>Hopefully that makes sense.
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<p>Balmes Pavlov</p>
<p>I actually agree with most of your argument here, especially your last sentence. I do think people have stereotypes. That is something I can't refute, but humans have a complex mind...it would certainly be a waste of the human mind for someone to base their perceptions of reality off of some generalized, simplified drivel. As for being based in truth, I think people are somewhat funny when they try to "validate" stereotypes. One thing I have noticed is that when people are really looking for stereotypes they will find it. They may notice that group of loud black people and hence reinforce the stereotype in their mind, but the group of loud Asians doesn't register in their mind as typical "Asian behavior" and they may write it off.</p>
<p>As you stated in your argument, if someone only sees red apples, then they will base their ideas of apples only off the red ones, but most people (well most people in the US, Canada, UK, etc) will experience something other than red apples. Unless someone lived in a homogenous country with no access to information about different groups of people, they really don't have an excuse to be putting their generalizations into practice and actually judging people based on them. People in countries such as the US, Canada, etc. will more than likely come in contact with someone different than themselves and will have access to a large amount of information concerning various groups. The decision on whether their ignorance clouds their perception of people and reality in general rests on that person.</p>
<p>While you did bring up good points that got me thinking, I still don't think stereotypes are based in truth. To me, it seems more on what the individual is willing to notice and make note of, which is more like selective attention and supports your argument, but one main component of stereotypes is the idea of exclusivity, the stereotypical idea can only be characteristic of the stereotyped group. If the individual doesn't notice the counterexamples to the stereotype, the stereotype will always be based off "truth" in their mind.</p>
<p>crazyapp2010</p>
<p>To be truthful, I have been told that I don't act like a "black" girl mostly by white people...I have gotten the look that said "oh, she thinks she's white" from mostly black people. My mom has told me others have rolled their eyes at me just for basically opening my mouth and not having ebonics come out. I didn't even notice that...who even knows what people say about me behind my back or underneath their breath. It seems "acting black" is defined by whatever is currently being shown on BET/MTV at the moment. It seems as if you can't win on either side. For some people you either don't live up to the stereotype or you are trying to be "white". </p>
<p>Coincidence...my parents are from the Caribbean as well.</p>
<p>I remember my friend asking me: Why don't you talk like a black girl?
Me: :confused:
Him: You are a black girl, why don't you talk like one?
Me: <em>smacks him upside the head</em> Define speaking like a black girl.. how did an idiot like you get into JHU anyway??</p>
<p>I get this all the time. My parents are from the Caribbean. Coincidence?</p>
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I remember my friend asking me: Why don't you talk like a black girl?
Me:
Him: You are a black girl, why don't you talk like one?
Me: <em>smacks him upside the head</em> Define speaking like a black girl.. how did an idiot like you get into JHU anyway??
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<p>I get this sometimes (I'm a guy though, my parents are african)</p>
<p>I get some really funny looks whenever I listen to stuff like rammstein (BENZENEEEEE!) or even depeche while driving in the summer with the windows/sunroof open. Less so when listening to something like coldplay or blonde redhead. Then again I get some weird looks when I am just driving around also, so w/e :)</p>
<p>congrats on JHU...I used to live in Baltimore back in the day</p>
<p>Shaddix, Calculus Phobe, and Spetsnaz Op:</p>
<p>It's a shame we can't be who we are w/o taking heat for it. In fact, it's gotten to the point where I avoid saying certain things around people, like song titles (for example "Up in Here" by DMX) b/c I don't want to be made fun of for the way I say it. </p>
<p>Shaddix and Calculus Phobe: Where in the Caribbean are you both from? My parents are from Jamaica.</p>
<p>My parents are from Jamaica too :D</p>
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It's a shame we can't be who we are w/o taking heat for it. In fact, it's gotten to the point where I avoid saying certain things around people, like song titles (for example "Up in Here" by DMX) b/c I don't want to be made fun of for the way I say it.
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<p>I wouldn't say that any situation has been that bad for me...I have been lucky enough to be surrounded by people who wouldn't give me heat for that. It has been one of those things that happens at random infrequently (not including the music in the car part, lol). Then again I live in the middle of nowhere and I am not a very social person. Stereotyping is human - but there is a difference between thinking that things are usually one way and assuming that they are always one way and going through shock and awe when an exception or two pops up.</p>
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For interracial dating... I think it's a lot easier for white men to date women of other races (and a lot of them have a thing for Asian women) than it is for white women to date black men. That one, for some reason, gets people (i.e. white men) on a gut level.
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<p>But at least white girls and black guys aren't that uncommon.</p>
<p>When's the last time you've seen an asian guy with a white/black girl?
For me, that would have to be when I saw the documentary on Bruce Lee.</p>
<p>Check this vid out for how much it sucks to be an Asian guy!
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUto_zdvb90&search=wong%20fu%5B/url%5D">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUto_zdvb90&search=wong%20fu</a></p>
<p>actually, one of the asian teachers at my school is married to a black woman. and if you're talking about movies, romeo must die.</p>
<p>My parents are Haitian.</p>
<p>Believe me.. I've tried to fit in and talk the way some of my friends do. I just sound funny. I also love the weird looks I get when I listen to Maroon 5, Linkin Park, System of a Down, etc.. </p>
<p>Nothing beats walking into Hollister though. :)</p>
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