<p>Venkat, I agree, but I would put Columbia and Penn in a tier below Cornell.</p>
<p>Is this some kind of bizarro-world joke? Columbia and Penn below Cornell?</p>
<p>I've either fallen into Dimension X or 1986...</p>
<p>Well, Venkat89 your grouping is fairly accurate and I think that it reflects in general what has been happening with those institutions. Harvard's name recognition has the effect of catapulting it to the top. It is practically unavoidable, no matter if Princeton or Yale (sorry posterX) have better "qualities". I think it is difficult to break it down more than that, unless one goes into some very specific "qualities" like Princeton Review reports.</p>
<p>I would say prestige rankings would be:</p>
<p>Harvard
Princeton/Yale
Columbia
Cornell
Penn/Dartmouth/Brown</p>
<p>Harvard - the H-bomb. The most famous University in the world, maybe besides Oxbridge.</p>
<p>Princeton/Yale - almost as recognizable as Harvard, but not quite. Especially internationally.</p>
<p>Everybody knows Columbia. I honestly hate the school, but as far as name recognition goes it is almost on the level of HYP.</p>
<p>Less so for Cornell, but it is still pretty famous, even where I live (Israel).</p>
<p>Penn is always confused with Penn state. 'Nuff said.</p>
<p>C'mon people. I love Dartmouth. It's a great place and I would love to go there. But honestly, nobody knows the place once you get out of New England.</p>
<p>Same for Brown. (Except for the part that I like it:))</p>
<p>^^^^ There is a difference between "prestige" and "name recognition". You are referring to "name recognition". No question with your list on "name recognition" but prestige, is something else.</p>
<p>Prestige Ranking would be :</p>
<p>Princeton, Harard, Yale, Columbia -- Similar Admit Rate, Selectivity, Academic Reputation, Very Successful Alumnus including US presidents, Billionaires, US Senetors, Governors..</p>
<p>Dartmouth - good school but not well known outside of New Hampshire
Brown - Everyone knows that Brown is above UPenn Cornell.
UPenn - Good school but very easy school to get into Upenn
Cornell - Easiest Ivy probably easier than state school</p>
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Brown - Everyone knows that Brown is above UPenn Cornell.
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<p>Flawless reasoning if I've ever heard it...</p>
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UPenn - Good school but very easy school to get into Upenn
Cornell - Easiest Ivy probably easier than state school
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<p>Explain that to the tens of thousands rejected form both with very strong scores and profiles. poxpox really doesn't know what s/he's talking about.</p>
<p>UPenn & Cornell have the highest admit rate among Ivy Schools & Lowest SAT and GPA scores.</p>
<p>At 15.x% Penn is roughly equal to Dartmouth (and that's while filling a much larger undergraduate class) and Brown at 13.5% is certainly not much further off (again, with a smaller class to fill).</p>
<p>As for the actual SAT score differences, I was just 20 points short of perfect myself and I'd love to see the % difference between the schools. I'd put my money on it being marginal at best.</p>
<p>It is really sad to see someone's omnipresent sarcasm being overshadowed by a pitiful state of denial.</p>
<p>"Harvard - the H-bomb. The most famous University in the world, maybe besides Oxbridge."</p>
<p>Actually, a feature article in The Times (of London) recently says that Harvard and Yale have surpassed Oxford and Cambridge and are now the "two best universities in the world." Oxbridge are begging for money because their endowments are a tiny fraction of those at Harvard or Yale.</p>
<p>"Harvard's name recognition has the effect of catapulting it to the top. It is practically unavoidable, no matter if Princeton or Yale (sorry posterX) have better "qualities"." </p>
<p>For undergraduate prestige, from what I have seen, Yale and Princeton are actually stronger. Part of that has to do with Yale and Princeton graduates being in shorter supply -- because Harvard is larger and overcrowded. Harvard has the same or better name recognition overall, but among people who actually make the decisions, YP (or Caltech) grads are preferred. Harvard, however is a close runner up.</p>
<p>In light of so many opinions presented here, I have taken the liberty of summarizing everyone's personal rankings using Excel. Every person's rankings were counted once and revisions were taken into account. </p>
<ol>
<li>Princeton University (average of 2.106382979)</li>
<li>Harvard University (average of 2.127659574)</li>
<li>Yale University (average of 2.361702128)</li>
<li>Columbia University (average of 4.723404255)</li>
<li>University of Pennsylvania (average of 5.255319149)</li>
<li>Dartmouth College (average of 5.85106383)</li>
<li>Brown University (average of 6.29787234)</li>
<li>Cornell University (average of 6.787234043)</li>
</ol>
<p>These are the student's rankings on this thread. In summary, the results were statically close if outliers were removed from the picture. According to the median rankings, the ivy leagues can be divided into three "tiers."</p>
<p>Primary division</p>
<p>Harvard, Yale, and Princeton (all with a median score of 2)</p>
<p>Secondary division</p>
<p>Columbia and Upenn (all with a median score of 5)</p>
<p>Tertiary division</p>
<p>Cornell, Dartmouth, and Brown (all with a median score of 6)</p>
<p>Note: the data presented here is only a summary of rankings provided in this thread. It does not in any way reflect any individual's opinion, but rather the group's.</p>
<p>^ That seems pretty reasonable.</p>
<p>1- Penn(Wharton)
2-Princeton
3-Harvard
4-Yale
5-Penn(Everything Else)
6-Columbia
7-Cornell
8-Brown
9-Dartmouth</p>
<p>namayo, selectivity doesnt determine the worth of an institution and I don't know where you came up with the fact that Dartmouth and Brown alums are more successful that UPenn alums b/c that is just complete BS.</p>
<p>ahhhhh, the lovely midwest.....from there to eternity....</p>
<ol>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>Columbia</li>
<li>Penn</li>
<li>Dartmouth</li>
<li>Brown</li>
<li>Cornell</li>
</ol>
<p>although I would put Penn's Wharton above Columbia</p>
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Actually, a feature article in The Times (of London) recently says that Harvard and Yale have surpassed Oxford and Cambridge and are now the "two best universities in the world." Oxbridge are begging for money because their endowments are a tiny fraction of those at Harvard or Yale.
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<p>Maybe, but are Harvard and Yale really more "prestigious" than Oxbridge? I think not. You and I know that Oxbridge have much less money than many American universities, but does everyone? It will take a while yet for Yale to pass them in the area of name recongnition/prestige.</p>
<p>Dartmouth College has enough name recognition outside New Hampshire; all my teachers knew where it was. Brown has a better undergraduate focus than UPenn and Cornell. UPenn is a good school, but it is by no means easy to get into; that completely degrades its value, and it seems easy to get into because it is the second largest Ivy. Cornell is the easiest Ivy to get into, but the competition there is fierce; it's a ridiculously hard school to stay at. And saying that it is easier to get into Cornell than even a state school is stupid and a gross generalization. Cornell's undergraduate class size is huge, which is why it is easy to get in, but by 20% is still lower than almost every state school I know.</p>
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Prestige Ranking would be :</p>
<p>Princeton, Harard, Yale, Columbia -- Similar Admit Rate, Selectivity, Academic Reputation, Very Successful Alumnus including US presidents, Billionaires, US Senetors, Governors..</p>
<p>Dartmouth - good school but not well known outside of New Hampshire
Brown - Everyone knows that Brown is above UPenn Cornell.
UPenn - Good school but very easy school to get into Upenn
Cornell - Easiest Ivy probably easier than state school
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