<p>Ivy Undergrad Ranking </p>
<p>Harvard College
Yale College
Princeton
Columbia College</p>
<p>Dartmouth College
Brown</p>
<p>UPenn,<br>
Cornell</p>
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There is a general consensus in academia that Columbia, Penn and Cornell belong at the bottom of the ivies, for many reasons.
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<p>I'd love to see that. It's too bad my subscription to General Consensus Quarterly expired last year. Oh well, at least I still get Sweeping Generalizations Journal every month...</p>
<p>^^^No, no. "The Sweeping Generalizations Journal" is quaterly. You must be confused with "The Biased U Penn Review" which is actually.... daily.</p>
<p>harvard
princeton
yale
dartmouth
penn
brown
columbia
cornell</p>
<p>Princeton
Princeton
Harvard
Yale
penn(wharton)
Cornell
columbia
Brown
Dartmouth</p>
<p>Well, I have made a revision to my list looking at Princeton’s Review student’s rankings and noticed the following : the variety of categories in which the particular univ gets ranked in the top 10, the number (quantity) of those categories in the top 10, if they rank a number ONE in any category and the ranking of any NEGATIVE categories. The results are interesting, I think ( These were the only qualities that all ivies had in top 10 )
Based on student's desirability ( which is what really matters )</p>
<p>1.-Princeton ( academics-4 , quality of life -3 . For a total of 7 qualities in the top 10 with one of them being number ONE )
2.- Yale ( academics-1, quality of life-1, extracurriculars –2. For a total of 4 qualities in top 10. One of them being number ONE and also having the most variety .
3.- Harvard ( academics 3, extracurriculars-1. A total of 4 qualities in top 10. One of them being number ONE.
4.- Brown ( academics-1, extracurriculars.-1, quality of life 1) . A total of 3 qualities in top 10, one of them being number ONE and having the most variety.
5.- Columbia ( academics –3, social, 1 ) A total of 4 in top 10, however, NONE is number ONE and lacks the variety as well.
6.- Dartmouth ( quality of life-1 ) A total of 1 in top 10, however NOT a number ONE.
7- Cornell ( quality of life –1 ) Same as above.
8.- U Penn ( academics –1, extracurricular –1, NEGATIVE 1 ) A total o 2 in top 10 but a negative quality also in top 10.</p>
<p>Now some explanations:</p>
<p>-Harvard gets ranked below Yale because it lacks the variety of qualities.
-Dartmouth gets ranked above Cornell because Cornell ‘s only claim to fame was "Best Campus Food" within “quality of life” ( food should not be that relevant over the other important stuff )
-Columbia has to rank below Brown because it does not rank in anything as a number ONE and lacks the variety of top 10 categories in which Brown scores higher ( just like Yale )
-U Penn is the only ivy with a negative category ranked top 10 ( “town –gown relations are strained” ) and therefore should be the last.</p>
<p>I think the top 5 are clear. One could argue whether Penn should be above Cornell because of the 2 good ones that it has. I thought that none of the ivies should rank top 10 in anything bad, and Penn did.</p>
<p>CONCLUSIONS:
1.- I was bored and had some time to kill.
2.- People who post in the Harvard forum are biased towards Harvard.
3.- People who post in the Harvard forum have a tendency to overrate Dartmouth at the expense of Brown. ( That explains why a lot of Dartmouth students are HYP rejects. )
4.- People who post in the Harvard forum have a tendency to rank Cornell low.
5.- Ranking may be trigger a full blown obsessive compulsive disorder.
6.- I better get out of this thread......</p>
<p>Movie Buff Wow I Agree With Tjose Rankings.</p>
<p>serchingon your comment is absurd. Cornell, Columbia, and Penn at the bottom....</p>
<p>what group of academia are you referring to? dartmouth profs perhaps. Your post is wild exaggeration with no supporting basis in reality. If you have it, offer it up. Otherwise (based on US News, the Center for Measuring Quality in Higher Ed, multiple surveys and rankings from the Chroncile of Higher Ed, Princeton Review, etc.)....as well as many statements in this threads re "ease of use" by a schools' undergrads and overall educational focus (research vs teaching):</p>
<p>Yale
Princeton
Harvard
Penn
Dartmouth
Cornell
Brown
Columbia</p>
<p>Redblue....I guess your list is based on personal preference, which is OK. Cornell above Brown and Columbia?? Penn right after Harvard? If one thing most people agree ( outside this forum, of course ) is that Columbia, Cornell and Penn are at the bottom.</p>
<p>Did u read the stats that I posted above? They are straight out of Princeton Review....and they are the current students responses..</p>
<p>If you wish to do some heavy duty research in college, you will find the most opportunities at Harvard, Penn, Columbia, and Cornell (not in that order). A place like Dartmouth may give you funding (according to slipper), but it doesn't have as much going on in the sciences or the number of labs as the other 4 schools. </p>
<p>If you want a more undergrad focused education, go to Yale, Princeton, Dartmouth, or Brown. These schools have smaller grad programs and focus more of their resources on undergrads. This supposedly leads to a better education, but these colleges can't match the shear number of course offerings at a place like Cornell or Penn.</p>
<p>At the end of the day, you go to the college that has fits you the best in terms of size, student bodies, location, etc. For me, the ranking of the Ivies would be:</p>
<p>Penn
Columbia
Cornell
Princeton
Yale
Dartmouth
Harvard
Brown</p>
<p>My list had the "lower Ivies" at the top, mostly because I believe that I fit in there the best, I like the fact that they have larger classes, and the fact that two are in major cities. I already gave my list for academic quality, but that again is riddled with bias and rumors.</p>
<p>red&blue, I respectfully disagree with your undergraduate rankings. I do not know how you are able to reach that conclusion from the sources that you mentioned. As a matter of fact, after looking closer at the data above I feel the need to correct mine as follows:</p>
<p>Princeton
Yale
Harvard
Brown
Columbia
Dartmouth
Penn
Cornell</p>
<p>Venkat89... I have to agree with your breakdown, no arguments there.</p>
<p>Heavy duty research: Harvard, Penn, Columbia and Cornell as a group (who cares about the order)</p>
<p>Undergrad focused education: Yale, Brown, Princeton and Dartmouth as a group.</p>
<p>In terms of fit for me, the rankings in order of preference would go:</p>
<p>Brown
Dartmouth
Harvard
Princeton
Yale
Cornell
Columbia
Penn</p>
<p>I like the "middle ivies" better because they are smaller, i got a more intimate feeling from them, suburban to rural...</p>
<p>At the end, it is just like you said...the right fit!...Who are we kidding? We are way fortunate to be able to attend any of them!</p>
<p>^That's actually sad for Penn. Being such a big research university and just beating out the two small LACish Ivies. I mean god damn that sucks.</p>
<p>However, a Nobel Laureate doesn't make a good professor :)</p>
<p>Moviebuff, for "heavy duty research", the top five universities in the world are Harvard, Stanford, Yale, MIT and UC-San Diego according to <a href="http://www.sciencewatch.com/sept-oct2002/sw_sept-oct2002_page1.htm%5B/url%5D">http://www.sciencewatch.com/sept-oct2002/sw_sept-oct2002_page1.htm</a>. Penn and Cornell are good but they aren't even close to being top ten.</p>
<p>Though Penn and Cornell do see ancillary benefit from PosterX not attending either of them</p>
<p>i promise you guys, that somewhere around one year after you graduate from college this will be an absolutely meaningless discussion to you. no one is in a position to compare undergraduate experiences this way because everyone only gets one experience. all of these schools offer fantastic opportunities but are ultimately no more than what you make of them.</p>
<p>i worry that some of the people pathologically promoting their schools of choice are going to turn into versions of posterX one day. we should be spending our time on these forums reassuring high school students through the harrowing college admissions process, not splitting hairs</p>
<p>Columbia is a lower Ivy? Interesting that the lowest Ivy had an acceptance rate, for columbia college of 8.9% (lowest in the US of national universities) and an overall admit of 10.4 including SEAS which had an 18% acceptance with 22,000 applicants. </p>
<p>Did I mention that Columbia has the most Nobel Laureates (5 in the past 4 years) and that it administers the Pulitzer Prize?</p>
<p>Trauzn there is much more to the quality of a school than its acceptance rate. Anyway Columbia is a great academic school.</p>
<p>posterX, the game we are playing is " ranking the ivies"...MIT, Stanford and any of the UCs, are not ivies( then again you know that..).Therefore, heavy duty research....Harvard, Cornell, Columbia, Penn...OH, OMG!! wait a minute... I see what happened ...LOL...We did not mention Yale!!!</p>
<p>Dude, you need help. You 're becoming way too predictable....LOL... Sorry, Yale goes to the undergrad focused pack.</p>
<p>truazn, don't forget, back in the day, Columbia had the worst location of any Ivy. NYC was a horrible place to live and it was full of crime. Penn was considered the worst Ivy, right behind Columbia. Today, Penn and Columbia have risen in prestige, rank, and respect inside the Ivy League as their cities have improved and as working on Wall Street has become the cool thing to do (see Wharton). However, old habits die hard, and the Ivy prestige rankings are still very close to:</p>
<p>Harvard
Princeton/Yale
Brown/Dartmouth
Columiba/Cornell/Penn</p>
<p>Also, Columbia has the least self selection of any Ivy. NYC is where every other high school student wants to live. They apply to Columbia because it is a good school in a great city and are rejected. That goes a long way to help the acceptance rate.</p>