Ranking based on 2010-11 SATs, Math and CR

<p>Something to consider when selecting the school that is best for you. From IPEDS.</p>

<p>SAT Math + CR median, school name</p>

<p>1525 California Institute of Technology
1490 Harvard University
1490 Princeton University
1490 Yale University
1485 Harvey Mudd College
1485 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
1480 University of Chicago
1470 Pomona College
1465 Washington University in St Louis
1460 Columbia University in the City of New York
1455 Cornell Engineering
1455 Stanford University
1450 Dartmouth College
1445 Northwestern University
1445 Vanderbilt University
1440 Amherst College
1440 Rice University
1440 University of Pennsylvania
1435 Duke University
1435 Swarthmore College
1430 Brown University
1425 Tufts University
1420 Williams College
1415 Cornell Arts & Sciences
1415 University of Notre Dame
1405 Bowdoin College
1400 Carleton College
1400 Carnegie Mellon University
1400 Cornell University
1400 Georgetown University
1395 Haverford College
1395 Johns Hopkins University
1395 Wesleyan University
1390 Claremont McKenna College
1390 Emory University
1385 Hamilton College
1385 Middlebury College
1385 Reed College
1385 Vassar College
1385 Washington and Lee University
1375 Wellesley College
1370 University of Southern California
1365 Colgate University
1365 Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art
1365 Oberlin College
1365 Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
1360 Brandeis University
1360 Scripps College
1355 Macalester College
1350 Case Western Reserve University
1350 College of William and Mary
1345 Barnard College
1345 Davidson College
1345 Grinnell College
1345 New York University
1345 University of California-Berkeley
1340 Boston College
1340 Kenyon College
1335 Colby College
1335 University of Michigan-Ann Arbor
1335 University of Virginia-Main Campus
1330 Georgia Institute of Technology-Main Campus
1325 University of Rochester
1325 Whitman College
1320 St John's College
1320 University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
1320 Wheaton College
1315 Colorado College
1315 New College of Florida
1315 St. Olaf College
1315 Tulane University of Louisiana
1310 Northeastern University
1310 University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
1305 Lehigh University
1305 SUNY at Geneseo
1305 United States Air Force Academy
1300 Bucknell University
1300 Gettysburg College
1300 Thomas Aquinas College
1300 Villanova University
1295 Bryn Mawr College
1295 University of Miami
1290 George Washington University
1290 Occidental College
1290 SUNY at Binghamton
1290 University of Maryland-College Park
1285 Denison University
1285 Trinity College
1284 Dickinson College
1280 American University
1280 Hendrix College
1280 Polytechnic Institute of New York University
1280 University of Richmond
1280 University of Wisconsin-Madison
1275 Furman University
1275 Lafayette College
1275 University of California-Los Angeles
1270 Colorado School of Mines
1270 Illinois Institute of Technology
1270 Missouri University of Science and Technology
1270 Pitzer College
1270 Trinity University
1270 University of Minnesota-Twin Cities</p>

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<li><p>This is the arithmetic mean, not median.</p></li>
<li><p>Yale’s figures are for 2009, they have not been updated on the IPEDS website yet. The correct figure when updated would be 1500 for Yale for the class entering in the fall of 2010 (see collegeboard for Yale’s 2010 figures).</p></li>
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<p>It would require many stars to align properly for the above figures to represent the admission data for the 2011-2011 period. </p>

<p>At best, the numbers could have been for the students who entered in the Fall of 2009. Based on a quick check of a few schools, the numbers seem to be from the Fall of 2008. It is probably a hodgepodge of data between 2008 and 2009.</p>

<p>This said, average SAT scores do not move very quickly, which makes this comparable table still useful, albeit not based on the most recent data. It should be similar to the latest USNews report released in August 2010.</p>

<p>xiggi, many of the scores entered are for the fall 2010 entering class. It appears that IPEDS has been more up to date in its data.</p>

<p>Of course, leave it to the Cornell guy to separate its Engineering and Arts & Sciences… ;)</p>

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Heh, planets are supposed to align in late December 2012…</p>

<p>Berkeley’s figure is obviously old. Berkeley’s freshmen class (class of 2014) is estimated at 1390. But let’s wait for Berkeley to release its actual data.</p>

<p>The SAT data was labeled “2010-11” in the IPEDS database. But, I think I heard that IPEDS carries over the scores from the previous year if a school fails to report the current data. Not sure. </p>

<p>Yes, the number I reported should have been called a “midpoint” rather than the median. It is the arithmetic average of the 25th and 75th percentiles, which isn’t necessarily the median. </p>

<p>UCBChemEGrad knows me pretty well…haha…regarding my predilection to separate the Cornell schools. Berkeley’s Engineering SATs would probably be very high, too. I wish data were available for individual schools at other colleges.</p>

<p>By the way, I know that some schools superscore SATs and others do not. The list isn’t perfect. And, I am saying that SATs are just one factor to weigh in the decision-making process (but an important factor). I also realize that some colleges are predominantly ACT. Just putting the latest SAT data out there…</p>

<p>The only schools on your list that do <em>not</em> superscore are all UCs (Berkeley, UCLA, etc.), and some other Public Flagships, like Michigan, Illinois and Wisconsin. </p>

<p>Last I checked UVA, UNC, William and Mary, Georgia Tech and SUNY Binghamton <em>do</em> superscore when reporting SAT figures. Can’t find anything definitive on Maryland, but being in the geographic regions of UNC and UVA which superscore, I assume they do.</p>

<p>One way to “normalize” the single-sitting schools is to add around 40 points to the 1600 score. I have not read anything definitive on this, and I’m sure collegeboard knows the EXACT normalizing number, but I have seen enough multiple sitting scores to have an idea that this is about right.</p>

<p>There was a question above about how much SAT scores increase each year. Michigan’s data is probably representative of the general trend. Taking from the Common Data Sets for the 2001, 2008, 2009 and the just published 2010 entering classes, we have:</p>

<p>2001: 1280
2008: 1325
2009: 1330
2010: 1335</p>

<p>or, about 5 points on the 1600 scale each year, or about 50 points over 10 years.</p>

<p>On the other hand, I’ll bet HYPSM haven’t changed much over ten years. Stanford’s 2001 CDS shows a 25/75 of 1455, exactly the same as reported in its 2010 CDS.</p>

<p>UCLA shows some fluctuations… again taken from CDS for 2001 through 2010, and again showing approx. 50 point 10 year increase:</p>

<p>2001: 1280
2002: 1265
2003: 1285
2004: 1295
2005: 1290
2006: 1295
2007: 1305
2008: 1290
2009: 1290
2010: 1325</p>

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<p>The number “1345” for University of California-Berkeley could be for the Class of 2012 1/2 since it appears that Cal had 1340 in 2008 and 1350 in 2009. It will take a lot of high-stats OOS to get that score of 1390 confirmed.</p>

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<p>Yep, that is what some would like us to accept as a fact! </p>

<p>As far as I know, there is no evidence to support that the schools that do not superscore SAT scores for admissions’ purposes do not report superscored scores to the rating agencies. Since they are asked to provide distributions of INDIVIDUAL subscores, it does seem hard to think that the subscores used in the statistics are not indeed the best individual scores. </p>

<p>It’d be a first for a school to forego presenting its most favorable data.</p>

<p>Duke’s data is outdated as well.</p>

<p>Arts and Sciences: 1465
Engineering: 1500</p>

<p>[Duke</a> University Admissions: Class of 2013 Profile](<a href=“http://admissions.duke.edu/jump/applying/who_2013profile.html]Duke”>http://admissions.duke.edu/jump/applying/who_2013profile.html)</p>

<p>(Really Class of 2014)</p>

<p>SoonToBe, your figures are for ACCEPTED Duke students, not for ENROLLED Duke students…</p>

<p>^ Duke’s data you presented were for accepted students, not for enrolled students.</p>

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<p>So, then it’s possible for Berkeley to leap its SAT data by several points. </p>

<p>Of the 13,007 admitted students to Berkeley for the class of 2014, only 5,253 enrolled, or a yield rate of measly, 40.4%. Of those 5,253 enrolled students, 23.225% were OOS/International, the highest in Berkeley’s history.</p>

<p>^^ – ^^
Everything is possible. Now, that does not mean plausible.</p>

<p>Anyone have McGill Arts?</p>

<p>remember Notre Dame is an ACT school-it SAT average is based on only a portion of its class and is not directly comparable to the other schools.</p>

<p>Should we perhaps ask Collegehelp to run a different table for the schools that have more than 40% of their enrolled students submitting ACT scores?</p>