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<li>everyone else
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THAT IS RIDICULOUS
how could you rank the university of illinois above the university of illinois? It's clear that the UI you placed third should be first, and the UI that's second should probably be around 8. and how the hell is the university of illinois #10?</li>
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<p>Actually, I hear that UI #8 has recently made a large investment in their business school and because the economy seems to be hitting UI #4 a little harder and applications are down at UI #5, I would expect them to take a drop. You should also look for everyone else to make a move to pass UI #10 in the near future.</p>
<p>Well. keep an eye on those US News rankings because as I indicated above Minnesota has caught up with Penn State and Ohio State in every category US News uses in its rankings except graduation rate, and it's making major strides there. It's only a smidge behind Ohio State in the overall ranking right now (OSU # 56, score 52; Minnesota #61, score 49) and poised to overtake it with the gains its making in selectivity and graduation rate. Minnesota jumped about 12 places in US News from 2007 to 2008 and there's no indication it's lost momentum. Watch out!</p>
<p>"Does anyone living in that area have an idea of how the MWC would rank out academically? Just curious."</p>
<p>SDSU, BYU, and TCU are OK, nothing special. Everything else is pretty bad. I'd say SDSU's honors program is the best education in the conference.</p>
<p>You people are hilarious. The fact that you are ranking by athletic conference shows, right off the bat, that some if not much of your thought process is influenced by athletic success. So many of your lists are waaaaay off the mark. </p>
<p>What is interesting, however, is how much athletics influences reputation. While some schools (Virginia and Michigan come to mind) stand on their own academic reputation, many of the others are only known, at all, because of their athletic reputation. I would guess that most of you know nothing about the academics at at least half of each conference you ranked. In fact, I'd bet only the first 25-30% of any of these lists are remotely correct.</p>
<p>this is a retarded question. Lets just settle this now and say that university of illinois is the best, bar none</p>
<p>or, we could keep talking about this crap and listen to docmom nag us about how we are foolish little children by liking sports and how she's ever so much more enlightened than us!</p>
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You people are hilarious. The fact that you are ranking by athletic conference shows, right off the bat, that some if not much of your thought process is influenced by athletic success
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I might have said a similar thing before my kids starting looking at schools. Now I might look at it different. If my sports nut middle child says he'd really like to go to a Big-East or Big-10 (even though they can't count) school because he'd like to watch the sports ... then I'd agree it's not the greatest selection criteria. But how it that very different than I'd only like to go in New England ... or where the boy/girl ratio is OK ... or etc/etc. There are 3000 schools out there ... saying a sports experience is an important attribute is about a good first cut mechanism as any other ... within any conference there typically is wide range of schools some of which might be a good fit for any student.</p>
<p>So ... IVY league (OK a somewhat fake D1 conference)</p>
<p>1 Cornell (no bias on my part)
2-8 Everyone else tied</p>
<p>As someone else mentioned, UCSF is NOT Berkeley's "de facto" medical school. They are two separate institutions. Berkeley is no more connected to UCSF than it is to UCLA or any other UC. </p>
<p>That being said,
Stanford Med = UCSF Med</p>
<p>Stanford PhD > Berkeley PhD
Stanford Law >>> Berkeley (Boalt) Law
Stanford Biz >>> Berkeley (Haas) Biz</p>
<p>UCSF <em>IS</em> UC Berkeley's medical school... historically and by common acknwledgement (me being the commoner :) ). At the time it made no sense for the public service aspect of the University of California (at Berkeley)'s medical school to stick it across the Bay in a less populated area ... it was needed to be physically located in SF.</p>
<p>An analogy from my field of study, Linguistics. First year linguistics students learn that language is not what is prescribed in books of grammar or lexicons, or even the "rules" passed from grandparent or parent to child. Language is what is actually used and understood by its current users.</p>
<p>nycard, you are stuck in the anachronistic lexicon of formal affiliation, and not acknowledging that a thing <em>is</em> how it functions. Two modern redactions of this idea: "a rose by any other name ...", and "if it walks and quacks like a duck, it's a duck".</p>
<p>Yes, the terms 'Loro' and 'Lake Lagunita' mean something to me. No, I do not have a bias against Berkeley. I greatly respect the university and have spent a lot of time on its campus. That being said, UCSF is still not Berkeley's "de facto" med school.</p>