<p>**Only schools that I am familiar are ranked, some of the smaller schools in the smaller conferences, I cannot tell you anything about them haha.</p>
<p>I know nothing about Missouri, Oklahoma State or Texas Tech so I wasn't about to make me look even worse and rank Texas Tech first haha
I'm sorry that nobody thinks the same way that I do, oh well, I'm sure somebody has chosen to go to Indiana over Penn State. I would be one of those people.</p>
<p>Hey but what do I expect, we all have our individual opinions!</p>
<p>why is that? I have a cousin who goes to UT and I know that everyone thinks that it's a ridiculously good school, I would definitely consider it as a top graduate school, it's just not the place in my opinion for undergrad</p>
<p>Minnesota, Penn State and Ohio State are in almost every relevant respect quite evenly matched schools. It's not obvious that Minnesota is better than the other two; but on the other hand, there's no good reason to think that either Penn state or Ohio State is clearly ahead of Minnesota.</p>
<p>Middle 50% ACT/SAT:
Ohio State 25-29
Minnesota 24-29
Penn State 1090-1300 (= approx. 24-29 ACT equivalent)</p>
<p>Average HS GPA:
Minnesota 3.6
Penn State 3.6
Ohio State unavailable</p>
<p>Acceptance rate (2007)
Penn State 51.0%
Minnesota 56.8%
Ohio State 59.0%</p>
<p>Student/faculty ratio:
Ohio State 13:1
Minnesota 15:1
Penn State 17:1</p>
<p>Classes under 20 students:
Minnesota 43%
Ohio State 35%
Penn State 33%</p>
<p>Classes 50 or more students:
Minnesota 15.8%
Penn State 17.2%
Ohio State 18.7%</p>
<p>Peer Assessment rating:
Penn State 3.7
Ohio State 3.6
Minnesota 3.6</p>
<p>US News undergrad business school rankings:
Ohio State #17 (tie with 3 other schools)
Penn State #21 (tie)
Minnesota #21 (tie)</p>
<p>US News undergrad engineering rankings:
Penn State #17 (tie)
Minnesota #25 (tie)
Ohio State #28 (tie)</p>
<p>Where Minnesota falls behind the other two is in its abysmally low 63% 6-year graduation rate, though Ohio State's 71% is not much better and Penn State's 84% is hardly stellar. The administration at Minnesota attributes this largely to a culture in which many students are expected to pay their own way through college without help from their parents, coming in (or so the students say) "on the six-year plan" but in many cases falling behind and taking 7, 8, or more years to graduate, or not making it at all. The University as aggressively attempting to break this cycle with amped-up financial aid, admissions of academically better-prepared classes, and a campus-wide effort (including advising and counseling) to raise the graduation rate to at least 80% by 2010. I'd expect Minnesota to close that gap quickly, and to become significantly more selective as word spreads that its $14,800/yr OOS tuition is one of the best bargains in higher education.</p>
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<p>What do you mean why is that? They are all f'ed up. Completely. I could draw school names from a hat and produce a better list than that which you produced. You must realize your methodology is flawed, and as such, I can not understand why you continue to defend your rankings.</p>
<p>haha i always have a fun time laughing at you idiots on College Confidential, I'm already into my dream school and I think I know what people want in a college</p>
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<p>I beg to differ. Seeing as how you've put Baylor as your #1 school in the B12, I doubt most people want to attend a Baptist, over-priced university, that's in the middle of no where. But hey, that's just me... and I even applied there and was accepted with a scholarship.</p>
<p>I'm not sure this is true. First off, Minnesota has a higher percentage of OOS students (27%) than either of the other two (Penn State = 24%, Ohio State = 10%). They're surely not commuting. Second, all three have very low percentages of students living in campus housing: 22% at Minnesota, 24% at Ohio State, 34% at Penn State which is in by far the smallest town of the three. I guess maybe it depends what you mean by "commuter." The vast majority of University of Minnesota students I know (and I know quite a few through community and family contacts) live with other students in rented apartments or houses within easy walking, biking, or bus distance of campus. I'd imagine that's pretty much the same as at Ohio State and Penn State. Very few University of Minnesota kids live at their parents' home. Some do, of course, to economize on living costs. But I have no doubt that quite a few do at Ohio State, too, as Columbus with a little over 700,000 residents is now the largest city in Ohio, fourth largest in the Midwest, and 15th largest in the country, bigger than Minneapolis and Saint Paul combined (though the Minneapolis-St. Paul metro area is considerably larger than metro Columbus). Happy Valley is another story; not much of a local population to begin with. Bottom line, there may be marginally more "commuting" from students' parental homes at Minnesota, but not much more. It is not primarily a commuter campus.</p>
<p>I'm inclined to believe the University of Minnesota administration on this, as they're studied the problem more closely than I have: the problem as they see it is not too much dependence on the parents, but too little. A lot of Minnesotans like to kick their kids out the door at 18 and tell them, "You're on your own. I worked my way through college; with a little gumption, you can, too." They think it builds character and makes kids value the education more than if it's just handed to them as a gift. But with rising costs and stagnant wages at the low end of the job market, too many just don't quite make it across the finish line.</p>
<p>This was written on CC from a student who attended both Wisconsin and Minnesota. </p>
<p>The biggest difference between the schools can be found by going to the primary student unions at after 4:00 PM on any school day. At UW, Memorial Union will be vibrant, with the promise that the day still has a way to go. At UMN, Coffman will be quiet, most students having taken their buses or cars back to their homes and jobs in the larger city and its suburbs. The situation is worse on weekends. This was perhaps the hardest thing to get used to coming from Madison into the UMN.</p>
<p>In spite of the few thousand students who live on campus, UMN is really a commuter school full of students who return to their families or high school friends in the evenings. Many students come from the metro area and those that don't tend to find lodging far enough away from campus to prevent a critical mass of students from forming a social life on campus or in Dinkytown on weekends and evenings. This is not true of UW, where campus and State Street seems to be where students go in their off-hours as well as during their class room time. In short it is difficult to pickup a sense of a wider campus community at UMN, easy at UW. You'll see this to some degree in the sports venues, too: football games are much more fun at UW, and I don't expect football's return to campus from the Metrodome at UMN to change this equivalence. (Basketball and hockey games are about the same in intensity and verve.)</p>
<p>I live in a MPLS suburb and I will say that my dad was a commuter when he went to UMN, but it's not as bad as everyone thinks. I know people that have gone there and they all have stayed on campus. As far as academics goes, I think UMN's Carlson school is the best pure business school in the Big Ten (NU has better econ, but it's in WCAS). I would say, though, that UW Madison probably has better overall academics, but not by much. UMN's honors program is really good and competitive to get into. Of the people I've known that went to UMN, they all have really liked it and can find something to do. It's not like everyone commutes, and there are so many kids at the school that you will find something to do.</p>
<p>Oh, and as far as sports goes, I'll give UW football, but I must say that bball and hockey games here are WAYYYYY better than at Madison. There is nothing like a bball game at the Barn or a hockey game at Mariucci. They are electric.</p>
<p>jkaufman. The reason I brought up the whole commuter angle was because of Minnesota's lower rate of graduation in 6 years than other Big Ten schools. I thought that might be a good explanation for this occurrence. By the way, The Ross School of Business at Michigan is the best undergraduate business school in the Big Ten.</p>
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<p>We are all extremely impressed with your many supposed accomplishments. I'm sure that you will be quite successful in life despite your inability to take constructive criticism as well as your strong aptitude for not knowing *** you are talking about.</p>
<p>"As far as academics goes, I think UMN's Carlson school is the best pure business school in the Big Ten (NU has better econ, but it's in WCAS)."</p>
<p>What makes a pure business school and how would you say it is better than Ross at Michigan?</p>
<p>Jkaufman, your dad went there so obviously you aren't going to be convinced, but Minnesota is not the 4th best school in the Big Ten. I am tired from arguing and will simply ask you to go to the US News rankings to find Minnesota's proper spot within the conference. Its spot is around 7 or 8, behind UIUC, Ohio State, and Penn State.</p>
<p>Carlson's rank among Big 10 business schools is about the same as Minnesota's overall academic rank within the conference: 7th. </p>
<p>Ross (Michigan), Kelley (Indiana), UIUC, and UW-Madison are unequivocally better than Carlson. And accoring to the Businessweek rankings, Smeal (Penn State) and Broad (Michigan State) are too. </p>
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