Religious breakdown at Yale

Colleges and Universities A-Z Yale University
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<p>anyone know the precentage breakdown of christians, jews, muslims, buddhists admitted to Yale? we are given the perpetual image of "diversified" classes from admissions, yet I was told by someone in admissions at another ivy, that this was conveniently ignored as underling admissions officers tried to suck up to the admissions directors (..you know, for career advancement and such), depending on the particular unspoken preference for a particular religious orientation.</p>

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<p>what an offensive post</p>

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<p>oh,my. and why are we so offened, VETERAN MOM?</p>

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<p>zorkxelf, you have major problems</p>

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<p>lets have a real dialogue, DIAMONDT. or is the extent of your repertoire consistent with VETERAN MOM ("I'm so OFFENDED").<br>
the topic of discussion is about "religious diversity" on ivy league campuses.
if you are incapable of thoughful, unbiased discourse - then i suggest you butt out.</p>

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<p>what do you mean, preference for "particular religious orientation"</p>

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<p>I don't get what the big deal is. This post is in no way offensive. He's just asking for statistics. And if race is used in the admissions decsion, I highly doubt they rule out religion as an admissions boost to help diversify their campus. They're a private university; they do what they want.</p>

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<p>According to one of their admissions officers, they don't consider religion when accepting students. They do consider race.</p>

<p>Here's one statistic:
<a href="http://www.hillel.org/hillel/Hillel_Schools_New.nsf/44257994e40bf4e7852567ec00500a7d/ed5dd85e6d6e9ae085256dc2004bc61d%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.hillel.org/hillel/Hillel_Schools_New.nsf/44257994e40bf4e7852567ec00500a7d/ed5dd85e6d6e9ae085256dc2004bc61d&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>race is everything. it's important to have a diversified class so you can enter the work force and know how to deal with people of different cultures.</p>

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<p>Anonmus. in concrete terms, what is meant by a” religious preference” during the admissions process, is essentially that if you are a WASP admissions officer (or your boss happens to be) you have a slight preference for the competeting candidate with the name Edward Withington III. perhaps the real issue, is that in fact, ones’ religious background is in many (most ) cases not very hard to identify (not to mention all the extracurricular activities revolving around the baptist church, temple, mosque, ect. that give it away) and is a huge aspect of ones’ “being” that should in fact be used to diversify the campus.</p>

<p>John Kelly-catholic - caucasian
Mohmoud Siraz- Muslim - arab
Harold Kramer- Jewish -caucasian
Dahli Lamni – Buddhist – asian
Santo Garcia – catholic – hispanic
Jesse Washington – Baptist – black
Edward Withington III- Episcopal –caucasian</p>

<p>should religion be considered – or should it be ignored (as it appears to be)?</p>

<p>as we all know…..so very well, there are so many qualified applicants within the caucasian category that in many cases, the final decision is based (unfortunately) on whim, bias, unconscious preference, whatever. the admissions officer I spoke with (from another ivy, not yale!) felt that there were in fact deliberate refusals of considering religious diversity reflective of our country/global populations in this most competitive caucasian population, when it suited pleasing the higher ups “taking care of their own.”<br>
At the end of the admissions process, the geographical officers submit lists of their admits to the deans, ect. and it’s really not too hard to figure out the likely religion of many students. and EVERYONE sucks up to the deans.</p>

<p>yes, a horrific thought. so unfair, that it seems unconscionable, at first. </p>

<p>Bingowasmynameo. i also believe in diversity. If you are poor, hispanic, black, a musical podigy, asian, an outstanding athlete – then you do deserve special consideration. admission percentage numbers( in the teens) tend to reflect this inclusion at the ivies. </p>

<p>but what (dare i ask!) are the stats for religious diversity on Yale’s campus. is it a fair representation of the religious diversity of our country and world? and if it isn’t – why not?</p>

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<p>Hee hee.
People aren't as committed to their religion as they are to their race. </p>

<p>Also, diversity of religious backgrounds doesn't necessarily mean diversity of thought and experience. I've grown up in a secular Jewish household, and I doubt my life story is substantially different from a kid who's grown up in a secular Christian household (assuming we have things like socioeconomic status, environment, schooling, etc. in common). I would probably have far less in common with an Iranian Jew or an Orthodox Jew even though we have the same religious tradition. So, if Yale were to accept me and, say, the Orthodox Jew, it would actually be more intellectually diverse than if the Christian student and I were both accepted.</p>

<p>Does that make any sense? It's kind of muddled...I'm having a bad writing day. And if any of that comes across as prejudiced, it's not meant to. I'm just trying to illustrate a point.</p>

<p>And out of curiosity, what the heck kind of name is "Dahli Lamni"?</p>

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<p>Along with other Ivy League colleges, Yale once followed the shameful and contemptible practice of imposing a "Jewish quota." That is, fortunately, no longer the case but I imagine it has left a lasting residue of reluctance to consider religious identification too closely.</p>

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<p>Gorbachev_Sez. The name Dahli Lamni just came to me… (didn’t want to be disrespectful to the Dalai Lama., I guess). </p>

<p>you make an excellent point. a point that is applicable to all efforts in diversifying any population. including race. For example; the black student from a professional family living in Cambridge, Massachusetts would in fact have little “common experience” with the black student from a working class family living in Chicago. except for race.</p>

<p>and this is where I may disagree with you. i believe that the religious environment one is raised within(even secular) does in fact have more impact on ones’ intellectual workings that you might think. perhaps even as much as race. and that even though being raised in a secular jewish household you say you have little in common with an and Iranian or orthodox jew- you readily admit that you share the same religious traditions. those traditions, are in fact a big deal. and inherent within those traditions (whether you practice them or not) is a bond , an esprit de corps, if you will.</p>

<p>the black students at yale, certainly are identifiably all black- yet have few, if any “common traditions” to speak of (except perhaps the awareness of their peoples’ tragic history of slavery, lynching, prejudice, ect.). in fact, their religious “traditions” are quite varied (muslim, baptist, ect). which in fact may interfere with such bonding. </p>

<p>even students who consider themselves secular can (and I believe do) find that their familial religious background, traditions, and spirituality attracts them to “their own kind’ (whether it be subconscious, subliminal, or purposefully and in good conscious). </p>

<p>what do you think?</p>

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<p>From watching my kids' experiences in college, I think it only holds true for people with very strong fundamentalist beliefs & practices, for example evangelical Christians or Orthodox Jews. My D's closest social circle at Yale includes people from secular, Christian, Jewish, Muslim, and Hindu backgrounds (and probably a few others that I don't know about).</p>

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<p>veteranmom. i really don't want to sound hostile...but you are wearing my patience. OBVIOUSLY, the "bond" i refer to does not have a physical presence - it's more esoteric in nature.</p>

<p>as if i suggest that all the christians(or jews, or blacks, or hindu, whatever!) would bond and cavort about the campus in little groups of - "closest
friends."</p>

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<p>I don't see the purpose of this thread. There's no point really in knowing the percentages of different religions at Yale. Even if you had that information, what are you going to with it? Are you going to change religions to get a better chance of admittance? Or are you going to protest the fact that the religious breakdown at Yale does not match that of the US? (About 24% of the undergraduate population at Yale is Jewish. I suppose that means you could start a protest and say that Yale should have affirmative action for Christians, since they are grossly underrepresented there.)</p>

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<p>For that matter, from what I hear, 25% of Yale students are gay. That makes me part of an under-represented demographic! I demand affirmative action for straight people!!!</p>

<p>:)</p>

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<p>Thanks for the hillel website, Gorbavhev-Sez . for some reason I missed that in your first post.
ok. i’ll admit it; i’m pretty blown away by the stats that hillel provides. i checked out the other ivies and basically the average at all ivies is made up of 22% jews (ya, I will probably be a math major!).</p>

<p>anyway…what the freaking is going on? As a caucasian hoping to get the best education i can(without legacy, or race minority), it’s a bit more than disconcerting to see that there appears to be a HUGE disproportionate number (relative to the US and world populations) of jewish admits to the ivies in this country. i guess, if i were jewish in any way i’d be like soooo happy- unfortunately, i’m not.</p>

<p>no, i don’t think i’ll change my name to something jewish sounding, or help out at the local synagogue, or protest (definitely, don’t think that will help my chances of an admit!) – but hey you do the math. WHY are the ivies admitting 20 X’s the jewish U.S. population to their most selective colleges? and don’t give me the “but jews are so qualified” bullcrap. The caucasian pool is so deep with talent and genius that this segment could easily be diversified, if admissions chose to do so.</p>

<p>WHY is there such a skewed and obvious over-representaion of jews on our ivy league campuses, in comparison to the other organized religions in the world? </p>

<p>hey, again just look at the numbers.
yale has an undergraduate population of aprox 5253</p>

<p>us population percentages # of students that # actually
SHOULD be at yale attending
(as a reflection of %) yale</p>

<p>Christian 77 % 4045 (as if it is anywhere students near 4,ooo !!)</p>

<p>Jewish 1.3 % 68 students 1500 students </p>

<p>Islam .5 % 26 studetns 105 students</p>

<p>Buddist .5% 26 ? </p>

<p>can someone explain why this is so?</p>

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<p>hey, sorry for the confusing numbers. guess i should have previewed my post.
anyway..</p>

<p>student body at yale is 5253
christians make up 77% of the U.S population and if that percentage was reflected in the student makeup, there should be 4,045 on campus. ya, right...as if christians on campus come anywhere close to that figure!</p>

<p>the jewish %population in this country is 1.3%. again, if relected in the yale student body makeup there should be 68 students. in actuality, there are
1500 jewish students.</p>

<p>islam makes up .5% of the U.S. population, and should (if correctly reflected)
have 26 students. there are 105 islamic students.</p>

<p>buddhists also make up aprox .5 % of the U.S. pop. (don't have yale figures).
anyway...will someone explain all this to me?</p>

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<p>sorry dude, but there is no place to check off religion on an application. try your theory elsewhere. sure, some names like cohen and rosenberg are obvious, but what about mixed marriages where the father is jewish and the mother is not so the kid has a jewish last name but is raised christian? or, for example, the last name miller. happens to be one of the most common jewish last names, but one of the most common christian names as well.
beep. try again.</p>